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RiotGirl -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/2/2005 5:32:19 PM)

i love it when Master asks me a question. Usually goes something like... "oh a question not an order? So i think i'll sit here and decide, since i was asked to make a choice" And i very well could sit there for ages too! Except Master usually cuts it short with saying the word One.

Which is funny, talking about control earlier.. and if a Dom other then Master asked.. and i replied as i usually do, he might of just lost control. As i just had control of whether i would do it or not and when i would do it and how i would do it. And on top of that, i'd sit and watch you get A befuddled B impatient, or C lose your composure because you were now waiting on me. And i would prolly smirk to myself as you tried to figure yourelf out of the mess of giving me control.




MasterTemujin -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/2/2005 5:57:46 PM)

From my own experience it depends on the dynamics of the relationship. I am normally polite and use good manners unless the situation dictates otherwise. Personally I find that asking my slave to execute a task reinforces her submission. I have utilized this technique to measure my slave's emotional connection to me.


R/S,

Master Temujin




domtimothy46176 -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/2/2005 8:42:56 PM)

I almost never use naked commands. I don't need to in most circumstances and, in genereal, it goes against my sense of of cvility. I generally phrase things politely, such as, "Would you do me a favor and ____, please?" She understands that I expect her to acquiesce and only rarely, when she's in an impish mood, will she look at me with a gleam in her eye and say "No, I won't" [:D]
Timothy




luvdragonx -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 12:13:49 AM)

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I can honestly say that in our relationship, his use of questions and choices reinforces my submissiveness every time. We are new to D/s as a couple, so what I was used to with my previous Dom doesn't apply here. Also, because we were a married couple on equal ground before, my initial response to a question or demand may or may not be what he wanted to hear. So to ask of me, rather than demand of me, gives me pause every time. I stop, think 'Do I wanna?', then answer myself, 'Not for me, but I do for him."




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 2:36:03 AM)

Phrasing your commands in question form can take out some of the sting that can be inherent in domination to the submissive. Remember the old adage "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar"? I think many submissives would possibly prefer this approach.




IronBear -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 5:21:56 AM)

I rarely issue a direct command and unless under provocation I don’t issue said command with a military type whiplash in my voice. I usually make a quiet suggestion that I want such and such done or I’ll comment that the next person going to the kitchen would please me if they brought my coffee. Its amazing how quickly my wishes are met and without any pouting either. Only once did a sub ask me what did my last slave die of .. over work? My response was to say nothing. Look at her under my eyebrows and over the top of my glasses until she started to blush, then I rose out of my chair and got my own coffee. Nothing else was said but she never made that mistake again..

The quieter I go and the softer my voice becomes and when their is ice in my voice, that is a sure sign that I am past angry and pased being pissed off.....




minxmaze -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 6:15:45 AM)

Read some of the replys, but would have to say no, a question to me is A) set up, B) something more lays in wait.

If he feels he has to ask in form of question then there is something else there, a plate offered off to the side in puplic he is done take it away.

His phone is not by him it should be, no asking needed.

He asks some things in questions, but for the day to day things, to me silly, it just should be done.

His mundane should be done it is not for him to think on them, it is for me to.

But then I an not one to be asked it just is when the collar is on.




domtimothy46176 -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 6:38:47 AM)

Which brings to mind a question (sorry to hijack), anyone else find that the harshest rebuke is sometimes a calm, unemotional, "No thank you, I'll do it myself."? On those rare occasions when toy has displays a less than pleasing attitude, I find that removing the privelage of serving me has a profound and lasting impact. It is one of the more efficient negative reinforcements in my arsenal of corrections.
Timothy




MsIncognito -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 6:46:32 AM)

I totally agree. To me phrasing commands as requests reads as not only disingenuous but tells me the Top may not be all that secure in his position. If something isn't really an option don't insult my intelligence by trying to trick me into doing it because I think I have an option. I much prefer to just be told what to do - it's honest and true to the dynamic.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

I don't do this and frankly find it a little manipulative.

I don't like false questions, at least not between adults--in other words, questions to which the speaker already knows the answer, or questions that express something else in a phoney question form. They're a great way not to communicate, and can be used in passive-aggressive and otherwise deceptive ways.

I suppose you could say that "Will you go get my cell phone from the car?" is a true question, because, not possessing a crystal ball, you can't say you really know the answer to the question. But I don't think that's a legitimate response, since you certainly expect her to do your bidding. You've admitted that you say it INSTEAD of just ordering her to do it, so what you're really doing is ordering her to do it.

So just order her to do it.

Lam

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ORIGINAL: anopheles

If I want my sub to go out to the car and get my cell phone that I forgot, as opposed to saying, "Go get my cell phone from the car," I say, "Will you go get your cell phone from the car?"





MsIncognito -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 6:55:20 AM)

There seems to be a feeling that to ask a question is somehow more polite than to give a direct command. From some of the responses a direct command is, apparently, rude and delivered in a rude way. Where does this idea come from? It is entirely possible to give a direct command in a polite manner, in a normal tone of voice and even with a "please" tacked on for extra politeness. "Pass me the sports section, please" or "I'd like you to refill the bird feeders today" can meet the requirements of etiquette and decorum without being ambiguous. Of course, following up with some positive verbal reinforcement never hurts either, though some don't even need that.




ChereeAmoor -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 7:13:47 AM)

Around here there are a lot of "please" and a lot of "thank you" type words. Why bark out commands, when a mere request is acted upon so readily? Also, when we had children under the roof, we wanted to impress upon them the need for courtesy at all times, and did so by using it.




ThorsHammer -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 10:23:53 AM)

babes and I are still in the early stages of our relationship. I think we are both progressing very well but still learing.

I was raised in a household where "magic words,", e.g. please, thank you, etc., were used daily. Just good manners and showing respect for another person. Yes, babes, is my submissive but I still do have respect for her both as a person and as my submissive.

I usually phase my "orders" in the form of a request. As others have stated, and I agree with them, it gives babes the opportunity to recommitt to me as her Dominant. However, it also serves another perpose as well. When in the company of people who are vanilla, I can give her an "order" and the other couple is not offended or even aware of the relationship that we have. However, babes does clearly understand that I am giving her an order and expect it to be obeyed.

Just my thoughts.

Donn




Grimmbear -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 11:02:11 AM)

Wow! Thank you. I would never have given that concept any thought. Your right, it would reinforce the slave/master bond.

But I can see uses for both Orders and Requests. As a slave I would want the requests if I were living 24/7 with my master but he orders would be more for play with a different master as that would be more intense for the short time play.




Rendclaw -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 3:01:33 PM)

Choice is always used in my modus operandi. There are times where I ask, and times where it is a directive.. In a slave's case, where the level and depth of obedience is deeper than with a submissive, directives are used more often.

I have found that I modify my Dominance on a case by case basis.... it all depends on the level that the submissive/slave seeks, I believe.




GentleLady -> RE: Choice as a method of control (8/17/2005 10:47:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176

Which brings to mind a question (sorry to hijack), anyone else find that the harshest rebuke is sometimes a calm, unemotional, "No thank you, I'll do it myself."? On those rare occasions when toy has displays a less than pleasing attitude, I find that removing the privelage of serving me has a profound and lasting impact. It is one of the more efficient negative reinforcements in my arsenal of corrections.
Timothy

I usually ask in a polite way when I want My submissive to do something specific for Me (Could you bring Me the scissors please). I warn any submissive serving Me that requests are to be treated as direct orders. That being said, I never ask twice. Mine will get a raised eyebrow sometimes if he delays fulfilling the request but My normal response is to simply do it Myself and thereby withdraw the privilege of doing it for Me. I have neither the time nor the interest in forcing the issue for most things. He has to re-earn the privilege of providing that service again.

The exceptions are when it is a major relationship issue (as opposed to simply say...taking the garbage out). For example: the other weekend an issue came up that needed to be talked about...he was watching the last half hour of footie. I stated that we needed to talk now and suggested that he turn off the TV and sit down. He hesitated and looked (rather longingly) at the TV. My response was: You have two choices...turn off the TV and discuss this or watch the game and deal with the consequences and damage to the relationship for months. He chose wisely (in My opinion) and turned off the TV thus giving us a chance to deal with a major miscommunication issue that had happened earlier that day.

Gentle Lady





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