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Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 5:54:27 AM   
TPE4life


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Status: offline 		I am unable to understand why some will write to me just to take a jab or to make a quick comment, yet no want to engage in a conversation. Does the thought of conversing with me intimidate you? I am not a monster. I am more then willing to talk about and share my views.   <br><br>These are copies of entire messages sent myself from others;<br><br>   Person “a” “OMG this ass is quoting scripture for fucks sake,LOL  unbelievable”<br><br>   Person “b” “Pity you're not closer boy”<br><br>   Person “c” “unless you experienced it you don't know what you're talking about I'm into making slaves my bitches but there are strict conditions in my profile and journal” <br><br>    Have we as a society come to a point in our communications were we feel that a “quick comment” is acceptable or understood? Do we as a society believe that our opinions should be imposed on everyone with in the scope of our peripheral vision?<br><br>   Does the speed of internet make people so comfortable with there anonymity that they loose all sense of etiquette.<br><br>   For those of you that have shared your one liner’s with all of us; do the opinions you have of, and shared with us; matter as much as the opinion we may potentially have you?<br><br>   Imagine walking down the street and telling a total stranger; <br><br>“Because you wear that article of clothing, I think you are stupid.”<br><br> “Because you are holding that book, your beliefs are incompatible with mine.”<br><br> “Because this you talk like that, I think you are stupid”<br><br>   Consider this; the reality is these would not be done in Real Life. And if some attempted to do this, at a very minimum they would likely be perceived as being intoxicated or stoned, at a maximum, they could find them selves engaged in a physical confrontation. <br><br>  When did society change?

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 5:57:49 AM   
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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 6:07:33 AM   
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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 6:12:06 AM   
handlefirmly


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Status: offline 		Hello. Interesting post, but in response to the thread title, I have to offer that you missed something. You seem to be comparing the act of walking in public to communicating on the internet in equal measure. The two acts are not even remotely parallel, except on the most absurdly obvious level of relating to one's outside environment. The statements in your profile are not a style of sweater, nor a type of book: they are statements. To fit your example more aptly, your profile would be the equivalent of walking down the sidewalk wearing a sandwich board, or even carrying a megaphone. And you are baffled why people respond in kind?
Here, let's take this from another perspective. Let's assume that your profile is indeed your "outfit". It is your colors, so to speak, more an artistic expression than an actual statement. By posting a portion of your profile, your sole journal entry and almost verbatim, you have done the equivalent of throwing an article of clothing onto my monitor. What possible response do you expect, "nice blouse?"

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 6:14:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		some people are just 'that' pathetic! i would not even bother stressin about it. like 'Rule' said * Delete, block and ignore them.* if they wanna waste their time sending stupid messages then thats their problem.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 6:53:08 AM   
handlefirmly


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Status: offline 		Well, I see we can all "check each other out". I suppose that fact alone is response enough. Going back to the profile-as-clothes analogy, apologies for not wearing my personality on my sleeve...!

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 7:00:40 AM   
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OP, block them and move on.  It is a bit unusual to see bible scripture on a bdsm site to the extent listed in your profile, so you're going to take some heat.  I would suggest to you that if your sole purpose to the profile is to teach some lesson, you seem to be in the wrong place.  That I can see, your profile doesn't say anything about you, your relationship goals or what you desire other than the scripture and lecturing. 
Be who you are, do what you do....just suggesting if you are really looking, you might add that.
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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 7:00:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Free speech has gone to a whole new level.  Personally I think it exploded with the internet. Thank goodness for delete and block buttons.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 7:50:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Re your profile. I would imagine few people here decided to engage in D/s because the Bible told them to. So since that is the way you want to approach it, or so your profile makes it seem, by focusing obsessively on the Bible, and not talking about anything else, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

You know, sub or slave or whatever, the person you hope to be with is going to want to know more than your religious views. They will want to know that they have other things in common, you both love Thai food, adore Drew Carey, hate action films, enjoy playing tennis occasionally etc. They will need to know that you are someone with a matching sense of humor, whether or not your conversational styles fit. They are going to want to know if you will be supportive when they've had a bad day.

Your profile doesn't give any clue to who you are. And gives no starting point for a conversation.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 8:20:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		um ok this is like talking to a book or living book only a normal book can not type back but you read what the person has put in print and what that author might have ment or not ment to say. two d vs three d 

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 8:25:05 AM   
SoulPiercer


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Status: offline 		You're spot on, TPE4Life. And quotations from the Bible aren't the issue.

You could quote Shakespeare and get the same results.

Your profile is fine the way it is. It's interesting how people want others to "get to know me as person", yet they only see words in your profile themselves.

The acts of "walking in public and communicating on the internet" are "remotely" parallel. They are both forms of communication.

What makes the internet different is just what you eluded to. A great many people who had no social skills to begin with are able to at least push a power button and operate a keyboard. On the internet they can act in a way they wouldn't dare act when they were "walking in public".

When I communicate here, I behave just as I would if walked into a room with a group of people. I wouldn't yell out Hello E/everyone. First - because it takes too long to pronounce Capital E slash lower case e veryone. Secondly because it's rude to start yelling when you first enter a crowded room. Proper etiquette dictates that the current occupants offer me welcome. Therefore, if no one speaks to me, I should not be considered a "lurker" or a "troll".

You didn't miss anything. The rules changed when Al Gore invented the internet.

As Grammy Gump used to say: "Welcome to the World Wide Web. Where geeks and nerds can be as rude and obnoxious as they like, without fear of getting their ass kicked by a guy in a dress."


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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 8:27:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		We all get junk malicious mail like that.   Natural instinct is to tell them off, but if you are in a good mood, just block them.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 8:54:26 AM   
TPE4life


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Status: offline 		laurell3 asked…what's the br supposed to be?  quotes?   - The “<br>” is HTML code for break, or in commons terms, this tells your browser to end this line and start a new paragraph. (HTML – hyper text mark-up language / internet programming code)     1st I don’t want to imply all is bad. I have had 1 serious conversation a day with potential dom/mes & in fact the fact the positive inquires out number the negative 3 to one.   My profile was never what my concern was about, as you can see, there was an interested person, but when I looked at their profile, Australia is obviously quite the distance, and a difficult starting point.   handlefirmly you stated my profile would be the equivalent of walking down the sidewalk wearing a sandwich board, or even carrying a megaphone. -         if with such a comparison, you still feel it justifies negligence of use of communication and cultural etiquette?   Celeste43, I chose the bible, because I am not here to “jerk my self/ masturbate” Many seem to use the bible as the foundation for their life style as Christians. I was hopping to find like minded people. And I have. More ironically I found more then I anticipated.   Its seems when parallels can be drawn to vanilla life, it seem to gives give credibility in TPE as a lifestyle. I want show seriousness, and again that I am not here to “pull my wire”   LATEXBABY64, I think you are correct, An interesting aspect of this post, the fact of how people can allow menial details to digress conversation, or take it on a tangent based on interpretation.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 8:54:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I feel like there is ZERO conflict with this "life style" and the Bible.... My Master and I both see it this way...I'm sorry you have had some run ins with rude people.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 9:00:18 AM   
TPE4life


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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 9:27:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TPE4life
handlefirmly you stated my profile would be the equivalent of walking down the sidewalk wearing a sandwich board, or even carrying a megaphone. -         if with such a comparison, you still feel it justifies negligence of use of communication and cultural etiquette?  
I feel you are mixing metaphors. First, I do not intend to justify anything, I am simply offering perspective. Walking down the street and surfing on the internet are entirely different things. Chatting online, much less posting in forums, is not the modern equivalent of being social, not yet at least; and circumstances or issues like yours are part of the reason why. The closest possible parallel is that we are all back in the jungle, squawking and hooting at each other. It took millions of generations, sorry forgot who I was talking to; like we were all back at the fall of Eden, and it took thousands of generations to develop  the practices and forms prescribed by social convention and authority, i.e. etiquette, which allows us to confidently meet face to face without fear of the need to defend ones self physically (usually).
So now we can sit in the nude and type into our monitor and it types back very animated things, sometimes. Some of the things we type into our monitors might actually lead to "real time" communication. Some of us typing might not even be into that, surprised? It's a new way of relating, there is no real parallel and the mores and conventions are just being developed. Excited? Welcome, let's work on it together. Not into the vagueness? You are welcome to participate in more conventional forms of interaction; but this "mixing of metaphors", this "forcing ones' morals on my monitor" stuff is preposterous, even if it does make a good read.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 9:29:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually quick one off lines are MORE likely to occur offline.  Offline conversations happen much more quickly, usually with multiple people simultaneously.  There's not time to think, type and respond, and you have to get your point in BEFORE another person or you'll lose your chance.  Conversations are much more likely to flow in and out of a topic, and less memorable overall, so one line quips aren't as essential and poingnant.

Online you get to have a conversation going over a much longer period of time (2 days is norm) lots of time to think, lots of time to ponder what EVERYONE else has said, not just the most recent points, and a one line response can fit better in the flow, specially if everyone else has already made the point you find worth making.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 9:36:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

You're spot on, TPE4Life. And quotations from the Bible aren't the issue.

You could quote Shakespeare and get the same results.

Your profile is fine the way it is. It's interesting how people want others to "get to know me as person", yet they only see words in your profile themselves.

The acts of "walking in public and communicating on the internet" are "remotely" parallel. They are both forms of communication.

What makes the internet different is just what you eluded to. A great many people who had no social skills to begin with are able to at least push a power button and operate a keyboard. On the internet they can act in a way they wouldn't dare act when they were "walking in public".

When I communicate here, I behave just as I would if walked into a room with a group of people. I wouldn't yell out Hello E/everyone. First - because it takes too long to pronounce Capital E slash lower case e veryone. Secondly because it's rude to start yelling when you first enter a crowded room. Proper etiquette dictates that the current occupants offer me welcome. Therefore, if no one speaks to me, I should not be considered a "lurker" or a "troll".

You didn't miss anything. The rules changed when Al Gore invented the internet.

As Grammy Gump used to say: "Welcome to the World Wide Web. Where geeks and nerds can be as rude and obnoxious as they like, without fear of getting their ass kicked by a guy in a dress."



You said exactly what I was thinking. The internet allows anyone to say anything they want to anyone at any time without fear. The rules of etiquette, finesse, courtesy, manners all go out the window when you sit behind the anonymity of your computer monitor.

I suppose I should be used to it by now, but I still find it hard to believe that someone finds it ok to ask the kinds of questions online that would never dare ask me when meeting me in person. And I am not talking just on Collarme, where they might feel justified in asking anything simply because we are on a BDSM site (they are not justified by the way, the rules still apply). I am talking any other vanilla site.

So, yes, OP get used to it, it will never change. Only the way you react can change.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 9:45:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Society did not change, but as you cannot walk up to the person annoying you and punch them, so there is no risk for them. Also, these jerks will stand out more then the nice people.

As for scripture...There are plenty of Christians out there who are intolerant jerks. However, saying that you hate Christianity and Christians in general based on the actions of some is like saying all Jews or Hindus suck. I have noticed many non-Christians be Anti-Christians based on the actions of the thickheaded backwards type. They don't realize that being intolerant of Christians is just like being intolerant of the religion that they themselves practice, which is the reason they hate the Christians.

And he's not advertising his profile unless he spams others with it. The profile is a tool that you have to come across to see. He does not(as far as I know) putting it anywhere where others not looking for it would see it. And just because someone has a sandwich board on them doesn't mean you can be rude to them. I rather hate it when people are to those advertising restaurants and such. They are just doing their job for crying out loud.

But I agree, this really isn't a profile, but an argument. I would move it into a journal and write more about yourself. Not that it justifies the harassment, but just a word of advice. Also remember that the bible was used to justify the enslavement of the Africans brought into the Americas, so your statements could be potentially, uh, offensive.

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RE: Did i miss something? or am I old-fashioned - 10/27/2007 9:59:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not that I really want to go down this path, but the enslavement of many people was often done as a side effect of warring cultures, or societies moving into new territories.   African tribes helped the Portuguese bring the Africans to North America, because it made it easier for one tribe to take another tribes land.   The British did a great deal of expansion into new lands and enslaved or dislocated natives.   The Spanish dislocated, and hunted to extinction the natives of Mexico and the south America.   The reality today is we are all slaves. We are slaves to money and power. Have you ever wonder why we have birth certificates?   It is a document the government uses to show its creditors, that it has the ability to pay loaned monies back. It’s why so many governments want their populations to grow.  Only those who don’t know the truth will be disturbed. We can embrace the truth or deny it.

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