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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:46:20 PM   
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I don't know.  I think given the option of begging and crying and pleading (in this scenario), I'd just pee my pants.  Urine washes off. 


The point is your not allowed to pee at all, thats the restriction - the glued pants is just to keep you aware of the fact.



Point taken.  Then I reiterate.  Sick baz'turds!

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:46:26 PM   
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It's not about sex at all, at least not to me, it's about submission and control.


That's the problem, I associate it with sex through others might not.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:50:12 PM   
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Sometimes,we do things purely to see the reactions. Others can be about control-and giving a proverbial boot to the head. Or it can be about intimacy-or all of them.
I crafted this to give a small view, into a world that may differ from your own. Some pennies for thoughts-you imagine of it what you will-and take that away with you. 



Which is, after all, why some of us are here.
 
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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:50:12 PM   
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I don't know.  I think given the option of begging and crying and pleading (in this scenario), I'd just pee my pants.  Urine washes off. 


The point is your not allowed to pee at all, thats the restriction - the glued pants is just to keep you aware of the fact.



I'm just no fun in this regard.  Scenes designed with "failure" as the inevitable outcome translate, for me, into "breach of trust".  I'm not saying that it would, in actuallity be a breach of trust or completely unacceptable for other couples to play that way, just saying that for me, it would be somewhere between non-productive and destructive play.
 
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Not designed for failure, at least in my case, the submissive is allowed to release before she embaresses herself, but it's pushing her as close to that line as she can go, much father than she might naturally stand in an outside situation, thats the meat of the activity.


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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:52:25 PM   
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Use all of my focus and meditation techniques and skills to avoid showing my growing discomfort until 1) my bladder couldn't take anymore and releases. 2) Master became bored of the non show.


or tickles you.

I'd laugh, squirm and try to keep holding it. And probably give him a *is that all you got?* look.


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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:52:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		And for the record-in my sceanrios I have topped-the pants didn't come off until wet. And if I was not satisfied with the reactions-were replaced with diapers.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:55:17 PM   
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Not designed for failure, at least in my case, the submissive is allowed to release before she embaresses herself, but it's pushing her as close to that line as she can go, much father than she might naturally stand in an outside situation, thats the meat of the activity.



And that is something I can understand and relate to.  ML has a nickname for me - "Stretch".  He has at times said that one of his jobs is to keep me from hurting myself, on any level, by trying to stretch too far, too fast.  At times he's seemed to find it amusing that I get so annoyed with some of my various limits and limitations.
 
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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:57:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wait, so the real challenge is that I'm not allowed to pee at all???  Well that's just too risky for us in terms of bladder infection.

Now, being told I can't take my pants off and having to pee and shit in them- that I really don't care, as long as I am in a shower or bathroom and won't have to spend hours cleaning up a mess on the carpet or floor.  I've never had an issue with that. 

Now, if I were forced to wear the pants for a long time afterwards, I'd be cold and stinky and I'd worry about fecal matter getting into other places and causing a problem.

But what's the mind fuck exactly? 

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:58:56 PM   
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Wait, so the real challenge is that I'm not allowed to pee at all???  Well that's just too risky for us in terms of bladder infection.

Now, being told I can't take my pants off and having to pee and shit in them- that I really don't care, as long as I am in a shower or bathroom and won't have to spend hours cleaning up a mess on the carpet or floor.  I've never had an issue with that. 

Now, if I were forced to wear the pants for a long time afterwards, I'd be cold and stinky and I'd worry about fecal matter getting into other places and causing a problem.

But what's the mind fuck exactly? 


the inhibition.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 10:59:23 PM   
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And for the record-in my sceanrios I have topped-the pants didn't come off until wet. And if I was not satisfied with the reactions-were replaced with diapers.


Mmmhmm, I'm seeing a theme in your posts, RRafe.  You must spend a fortune on adult diapers!  You sound like a fun Top, but I'd probably see you coming and be 3 counties away before you could grin.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:01:58 PM   
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But what's the mind fuck exactly? 

For me it would be humiliating. But I'm down with that.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:04:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ohhhhh gotcha.  Sorry, not an inhibition for me. :)

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:04:31 PM   
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And for the record-in my sceanrios I have topped-the pants didn't come off until wet. And if I was not satisfied with the reactions-were replaced with diapers.


Mmmhmm, I'm seeing a theme in your posts, RRafe.  You must spend a fortune on adult diapers!  You sound like a fun Top, but I'd probably see you coming and be 3 counties away before you could grin.


Not at all, I diaper with cloth and plastic pants-the girls can do thier own laundry.......and sew them too. Sort of fun watching a girl do that-horrors. (look, if you don't sew the legbands on these panties properly-you are going to leak-the carpet cleaning will be by HAND.)Fun? I do LOTS of different things........this is just one small thing in my arsenal. I get bored with doing the same thing too much.
 
As for the rest,thanks for the compliment.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:06:48 PM   
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Gwyn & RRafe: starting as bottom/sub...  good on 'ya.  I can see how it'd make you a better, more empathic top/Dom(me).  Sorta like working your way up from the mailroom to president of the company.  Easier, too (fewer steps anyway). 

But...Gwyn: You seem like a very capable Domina, plus pretty & fun & have had good advice in other threads.  But everything you've done as a Top was done TO you as a bottom?  You haven't added ANYthing to the list?  Really? 

Sure, seems like if it included commands to pee on buses, etc, that it was a pretty big list.  But I like to get new ideas from others (ie on fora)...to creATE. 'm just sayin'.

And, finally, to SixFootMaster: I don't think "You're not allowed to pee" was in the original rules.  she might take it as implicit, but the breakdown of assumptions (as Grace, etc. have suggested) is a valid outcome.  she won't WANT  to pee her pants, but...

Reminds me of a pencil & paper brainteaser dealio I like.  9 dots arranged in a square (3 lines of 3).  Gotta connect all dots with 4 lines & without lifting pencil...  Solution requires you must literally think "outside the box".  But almost no one does.  People assume rules that weren't explicit.  I believe you assumed the 'no pee' rule.  It's merely a convention.


= = =
If hot glue is used, the pants are a write off anyway (unless, by reheating, the glue could be softened enough to allow the buttons to be used, then the glue wiped off?).  But a zipper'd be toast.  So, if the pants would then be write-offs anyway, the peeing on them wouldn't be compromising property that's gonna be kept.

Since we're bringing in "hmm, that makes me think of this other thing" (fingerpainting, scat, clocks, etc.)...
I like mental play (mental bondage, etc.).  So I can see just saying "I've glued your pants shut.  Deal with it."  Later, after release (her bladder and/or my releasing from the order)...no need for scissors, wardrobe replacement...


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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:12:52 PM   
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I'm not gonna even TRY to master quote boxes n stuff yet.  But...

Gwyn & RRafe: starting as bottom/sub...  good on 'ya.  I can see how it'd make you a better, more empathic top/Dom(me).  Sorta like working your way up from the mailroom to president of the company.  Easier, too (fewer steps anyway). 

But...Gwyn: You seem like a very capable Domina, plus pretty & fun & have had good advice in other threads.  But everything you've done as a Top was done TO you as a bottom?  You haven't added ANYthing to the list?  Really? 

Sure, seems like if it included commands to pee on buses, etc, that it was a pretty big list.  But I like to get new ideas from others (ie on fora)...to creATE. 'm just sayin'.

And, finally, to SixFootMaster: I don't think "You're not allowed to pee" was in the original rules.  she might take it as implicit, but the breakdown of assumptions (as Grace, etc. have suggested) is a valid outcome.  she won't WANT  to pee her pants, but...

Reminds me of a pencil & paper brainteaser dealio I like.  9 dots arranged in a square (3 lines of 3).  Gotta connect all dots with 4 lines & without lifting pencil...  Solution requires you must literally think "outside the box".  But almost no one does.  People assume rules that weren't explicit.  I believe you assumed the 'no pee' rule.  It's merely a convention.


= = =
If hot glue is used, the pants are a write off anyway (unless, by reheating, the glue could be softened enough to allow the buttons to be used, then the glue wiped off?).  But a zipper'd be toast.  So, if the pants would then be write-offs anyway, the peeing on them wouldn't be compromising property that's gonna be kept.

Since we're bringing in "hmm, that makes me think of this other thing" (fingerpainting, scat, clocks, etc.)...
I like mental play (mental bondage, etc.).  So I can see just saying "I've glued your pants shut.  Deal with it."  Later, after release (her bladder and/or my releasing from the order)...no need for scissors, wardrobe replacement...




Righ,t I never said anything about not being allowed to piss. The expectation was the opposite-it's really an old gay leatherman trick. They were doing this sort of thing to thier boys in the bars WAYYYY back when.

As far as new tricks? I think I have managed to surpass the tops I used to play with. The first one retired-got too old for it-no ideas on what the rest are doing these days.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:14:26 PM   
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But what's the mind fuck exactly? 


The mind fuck for me is the submission. UTI is a very real danger, so if the submissive displayed pretty strong resistance I'd end it. The use of the diuretic will accelerate the discomfort without having her hold her bladder for nearly as long, but its not a guarantee that she's going to succum to the cramps et al.


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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:17:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gotit, though a lot of girls (f'stance LA) would just pee their pants anyway and nothing accomplished but messy pants. 

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:22:01 PM   
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Gotit, though a lot of girls (f'stance LA) would just pee their pants anyway and nothing accomplished but messy pants. 


Not really. Since I never csene except for fun times-being spanked hard on a pissy wet bottom stings like a mother. And even a soft cotton gauze diaper feels like 36 grit sandpaper on your ass. You CAN have fun-and learn things at the same time.

D/s doesn't HAVE to be some stuffy, sacred ritual to have an effect. That bores me to tears.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:25:56 PM   
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But what's the mind fuck exactly? 

For me it would be humiliating. But I'm down with that.



You know exactly what the bastard is up to. You could say no,and walk away. He would not stop you, or turn you away next time-if you did. But you go through with it anyway.
 
Because you want to-because no other bastard is going to give you that-and you know it.

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RE: Mind fuck reaction. - 10/27/2007 11:28:47 PM   
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But what's the mind fuck exactly? 

For me it would be humiliating. But I'm down with that.



You know exactly what the bastard is up to. You could say no,and walk away. He would not stop you, or turn you away next time-if you did. But you go through with it anyway.
 
Because you want to-because no other bastard is going to give you that-and you know it.

That's the size of it.

Thing is.....I would be laughing the entire time. Lesson learned? Yes. Mentally turned on by the evilness of it? Yes. I'd be laughing though.

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