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Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 8:47:34 AM   
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Okay so the girl has been asking for play lately and I have not really been in the mood.

I know, Aghast, a Dom who doesn't want to tease and tastle the ass of a willing slavelet, My God what is wrong with me?

Seriously, I know that most people play up the amount of play they actually get or rather focus on the play MORE in lifestyle venues but I have to ask the question.

Realistically speaking how offten do you engage in the Physical acts of S&M in your relationship, how offten do you play, How offten do you role play or engage in the actual activities that we generally difine as kinky.

Now some consider Anal Sex and Violent sex as Lifestyle and I'm not denying that but I did that outside of this lifestyle so I tend not to count that, not that it ISN'T just that I can do the same thing with a Vanilla girl (Maybe a little more convincing than with a lifestyle girl) as I can my lifestyle girl.

No what I am Talking about is the Tie your girl/boy/gurl/boi down and go at it with the feathers, the whips, the chains, and the whole chickens. I want to know how offten we REALLY get to play because my ability to continually engage in such activities and remain fully in the desire of these activities make them less than a daily activity.

Sure I smack andi's ass when she walks by, she wears a collar every evening and spends all spare time nude in my home, but as for play we get to that sometimes as rarely as once a month. I am wondering if I am the Odd Duck in this or if others share my conundrum?

Let me know.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 8:50:26 AM   
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The undercurrents of what we have done-are every bit as important as the acts.

Life is a scene-and if you live as you should-almost every moment is as good as any other.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:09:19 AM   
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On the dominant side, almost never.  Once every few weeks, maybe longer, with a set slave.

But that's, as you asked, not counting or considering the "normal" interaction we have of day to day life that may include regular face-slapping and humiliation and such where I just express my place or correct their behavior.  I'm talking about actual devote-time-only-to-playing scenes, as I felt you were talking about in your original post.

On the bottom side of things, right now I'm getting it about 1-3X a week from my partner (spouse) but it varies from every day for a little bit to weeks inbetween depending on life and moods.

There's not a lot of regularity on either side, just going with what feels right at the time and that changes.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:12:05 AM   
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Not sure really what you are asking as you seem defensive by making something general and then throw in play aspects as if they were separate. How do you separate these things?

If you are talking about doing something that takes significant time, planning, clean up and aftercare type things only then in most of my relationships these are usually once a week to once every two weeks.

At the same time though we engage in way more then a random slap of my ass or hair pull on a daily basis. Sure most of it is measured in minutes and not super intense but things are done for pleasure or other reasons. For us these things are just not about being in the mood and taking physical pleasure but are also about re-enforcing the dynamic and creating an atmosphere that lets the power exchange flourish between us.


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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:14:48 AM   
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why be concerned with "normal?" do what works for you and your girl and be happy.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:17:37 AM   
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This is actually a hard question for me to answer. In the past, there have never been ‘set, defined’ times of play. If he felt like using a knife on me, he did; if he felt like caning me, he did; if he felt like just beating the shit out of me, he did .

Everything we did, from the interactions with the youngin’s, to me serving him dinner, to just us talking about what happened on a particular day… everything flowed from one to the other with no set guideline of how things would eventually end up. What ever mood he was in; what ever he wanted to do… that is what we did. From the ‘acts of playing’ to the simple peace of just sitting together and listening to silence.

Personally, you just need to let things flow naturally; I know of no one who has ever, every single day, set aside a time to ‘play’ and then followed it through. I would think that it would get pretty tiring and boring; but that is just me.

Then again, if your girl is feeling that she is not getting enough play time, perhaps it is time to sit down with her and discuss this.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:20:08 AM   
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The Purpose of this post was to ask if anyone in a 24/7 TPE/live in style relationship has the same issues I have with making time for play and the like.
 
Before I got involved in a relationship I had play partners that I would meet two times a week or so to play at a play party or maybe just for a session in my home.
 
I just wonder if anyone else ever has isses with the lack of play after they have gotten adjusted to a regular relationship.
 
It's just a question for common knowledge not looking for advice however if you have some I'll listen, I am just wondering if it is common in other peoples relationships or not.
 
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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:33:49 AM   
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Like others have said, let it flow naturally.  Sometimes, play is a weekly thing.  Sometimes, every other week.  It just depends on his mood and what kind of circumstances we find ourselves in.  

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:42:34 AM   
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Hi Steel,

While what Rrafe says is true; let me agree with what you are saying.  I did check your profile because being married and living this life 24 7 is not all that some who are NOT living it together in the same house 24 7 think it is.

First - for those who do not live together - being in one type of relationship is NOT inherently better than any other.  If you are in the type or style of relationship that makes you and your partner(s) happy, then it is the right one for you.   Second – living together IS different.  No matter how committed you are, if you do not live under the same roof 24 7, your relationship is going to be different than those who do.  That’s true in the vanilla world and true in the bdsm world.   Steel – Sir and I organized a group for Ds/bdsm couples who live together 24 7 over 10 years ago now so we could talk to others who tried to live like we were trying to live.  We found it hard at times, and not near as “hot and amazing” as we had planned for it to be, or wanted it to be or hoped it would be.  We wanted to know the big secret in having that hot, amazing, always “on” 24 7 bdsm life of always in control, mean, authoritarian, whip wielding, flogger carrying Master with his crawling, always respectful, never tired or grumpy, always wet and begging to suck him slave.  Yeah.   Guess what the number   1,2 and 3 complaints of every single submissive/slave in  a living together  relationship are.  Not enough consistency, not enough play, not “mean/strong” enough.  Those 3 are not always in that order, but it’s the same three.   Now, Argent loves to walk up and pull my hair and kiss me really hard and it makes me shudder every time, it makes me feel like a young girl again and just makes me melt and I lay my head against him and want to just stay that was.  But he pushes me away and goes back to what he was doing (and yeah, that’s hot too)  We have daily rituals in place that help us remember who we are and help me especially feel focused and calm.  So as Rrafe and others have said, the undercurrents are there.  Argent may run a knife over my neck and walk away, or stop in front of me and wrap his hand around my throat as he kisses me, or slap me unexpectedly – but that’s not what you mean.   But the play?  Not so much!  We often set up “play evenings” ahead of time.  If Sir tells me to “have a cold supper ready” on Tuesday that means that he will arrive home and I am to have eaten something already and be showered and in something sexy and easy to get off. I am to have certain toys out – he will usually tell me what he wants or maybe even just say to have some toys out – my choice.  He will come home and we will have our “getting home” ritual and then we will play, and it will end in sex – someplace in the house (!).  Then I will serve him his dinner, sometimes in bed, sometimes on the front porch, and he might tell me to eat something or he might feed me.  Usually, if it isn’t bed time yet, we will snuggle on the couch or lounge around until it is time for bed.  Sometimes we will end or begin that evening with a shower together.   Sound hot and fun?  Well, last week that night was Friday.  In the middle of the afternoon I found very yucky water backing up in the downstairs shower … then the downstairs potty began to back up.  I called him at work and described the problem and he had me go out and run a test on the septic tank to be sure it was functioning.  It was.  Ok, well … I was told to have his old clothes ready for him when he got home and he spent 2+hours troubleshooting the plumbing and septic system until he found the problem and fixed it.  Needless to say, no play.  He had to shower and was hungry and had now done his whole work day which includes a total of 3 hours driving time plus been knee deep in muck.  I gave him a nice dinner and we sat on the couch and went to bed early.  Every single day the following week had something that had to get done and this weekend we had company.  Next weekend our grand-ums will be here 3 days with their parents coming for dinner on Sunday and 2 weeks later my in-laws arrive for a 2 week visit!   Now, I know that sounds kind of depressing, but again – the daily rituals, the walking by hair pulls, ass swats and all the little things are good and helpful.  We also do small things we do not consider “scenes” but sort of are little ones with some bedtime spankings that might be bare hand or might be with a cane or slapper or tawse.  But he tells me ahead of time, maybe even in the morning, that he is going to do it – and of course I never think about it during the day when he tells me that early! I am never laying there waiting for him getting all excited thinking about it and we never, ever have hot sex after it.   So, you are not alone.  It’s life and the ‘nillas complain about boredom and having to make “date night” just the same.  It’s called real life and we have to cook and clean and go to work and pay the bills and wash the dishes and we are human.  I’d say making a “date night” for play helps – but obviously it isn’t fail safe.  Even though we do not let “anything” interfere with our date nights, even that can be trumped by backed up sewage!   Your profile sounds like you both enjoy each other and have a pretty good life together.  Don’t feel as if you are alone in the quest for more play or the feeling you don’t play enough (yes, for those of you who say “We do not play, it is who new are” etc – we DO call the whips and chains and ropes full out scene “play” – it’s fun! And why else do we have toys if we don’t play with them?)  We define our whole life/relationship as “kinky” but the down and out hard core bdsm is not as often as we either one wish it was, want it to be, and would have it if the world was totally a fantasy where we could just make up what we wanted to do.   Even when we do not play for a while, we always feel who we are.  Ds is who we are – bdsm is something fun/hot we do.  Even without as much play as we both want, our love and commitment is here and we have actually recently talked about it, and we could just never be vanilla – Argent and His opal are who we are and even in our long time ‘nilla life together, we were always moving toward this relationship.  Be Well,
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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 9:43:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I have not really been in the mood.

I know, Aghast, a Dom who doesn't want to tease and tastle the ass of a willing slavelet, My God what is wrong with me?

Steel



This is the sentiment that seems most important to me in this post. Have you explored possible reasons why you're not in the mood, or don't want to "tease and taste?" Do you think it's life circumstances stuff, or is it possibly more than that? Share as much or as little as you care to, of course, but maybe this is something to look at more closely.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 10:25:12 AM   
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Normal is a word i don't really like. Who's to say what is normal and what's not? What's normal for one maybe be abnormal for another. What's normally normal for someone may also be different at different times.
For example if you have a week off work you may play far more than when you are snowed under at work, and just don't have the time or energy.
I personally wouldn't sweat it if either Sir or myself just weren't in the mood to play, hadn't time to play, were playing less than 'normally' etc etc.
As long as you are both happy, contented, fulfilled etc who cares

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 10:45:21 AM   
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This reminded me of another thread I read:
Random Thoughts - Love, BDSM, Responsibility
I have no idea if it might apply in your situation.


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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 10:49:24 AM   
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24/7 TPE D/s (M/s), or 24/7 vanilla monogamous marriage, it all ebbs and flows. Of course you're not always going to be in the mood for play.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 11:20:15 AM   
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I try to limit my whole chickens to once a week.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 11:31:03 AM   
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Depending on the boy I am with, that answer changes.
Fox and I play every time we are together. If that is every night for a week, we play every night for a week. If we see one another once a week, or less, than thats when we play. He is still new, though, and we havent exhausted th new and exciting aspect of constant playtime. That will settle eventualy and not be as much of a draw, and once it does, how often may change.

Angel and I play maybe once a month. We spend time more frequently but various things come up that lead us OUT of the mood.  We need enough time and enough ambition to actual get into our roles, and that happens when we can make it. Not as frequent as either of us would like, but definately better than his last semester.

It varies, person by person obviously. But no, you arent an odd duck.  Sometimes, you just arent in the mood.  It happens. If it is too little for one party, talk about it. But you arent going to force yourself to play to make her happy, anymore than youd want her to tell you she wasnt in the mood every time you wanted to play. See if you can come to some happy middle ground for playtime.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 11:43:26 AM   
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Thank you opal,
 
That was near exactly how our life is and I think I was taking that for granted. Thank You VERY much for your words I will be having andi read your post as soon as she gets home from work.
 
**The boy was sick today so I stayed home with him and cared for him**
 
I think that a lot of this has to do with the fact that things are very different in this marriage than I had thought they would be and seeing that I can relate to you I see I am NOT alone and I thank you for that.
 
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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 11:51:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subtee

quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

I have not really been in the mood.

I know, Aghast, a Dom who doesn't want to tease and tastle the ass of a willing slavelet, My God what is wrong with me?

Steel



This is the sentiment that seems most important to me in this post. Have you explored possible reasons why you're not in the mood, or don't want to "tease and taste?" Do you think it's life circumstances stuff, or is it possibly more than that? Share as much or as little as you care to, of course, but maybe this is something to look at more closely.


I can explain it perfectly. I actually get more out of the couch cuddeling then I ever did out of the play. I think it is important here to state that I am NOT a Sadist. I have all the toys and racks and cuffs and chains but they are just things you aquire over a decade I have them because at one time I enjoyed them. In the beginning of our relationship I played with her simi-regularly but even in the beginning it was not a every weekend activity.
 
When I got involved with andi it was for the purpose of setteling down and as we have evolved in our relationship it has become less and less of orders and the Mean Nasties as it was in the girls I used to scene with. Today I have to admit that what opal spoke about is near exactly how the house goes here and having someone else define my home life so well just by defining thier own I think I need to be okay with how things work in our home.

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 12:11:08 PM   
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I try to limit my whole chickens to once a week.


lmao... no freaky animal sex before the 15th of the month? lmao

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 1:13:04 PM   
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Oh you are SO behaviourist.....

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RE: Real Kink Factor ~ What is Normal? - 10/29/2007 1:31:50 PM   
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Oh you are SO behaviourist.....


I am sorry but I don't get what that means.
 
I like your new picture by the way seems playful. Nice Smile
 
As Always
 
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