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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger
Dude....
You really need to get out in the sunshine sometime. Everyone from Rhandy Rhodes, to Bernie Ward in San Francisco, to Thom Hartman in Portland despise Hilary Clinton. Again.... they're all progessive Democrats with very large listening audiences who can't stand Hiliary. They're not stupid....they know she's a sell-out. They all like Kucinich, Algore and Edwards. I challenge you to listen to their shows and the call-in audience, one of these days.
You're being told she's well liked in the mainstream by corporate news who have a vested interst in seeing that their apple cart isn't tipped over. I talk to virtually hundreds of people every day, and rarely if ever is she held in positive light. She's an extremely polarizing figure. Even those who self-indentify as Democrats here on collarme don't like her.
You can use the search function and go back to early 2005--way before you were ever posting here-- and see for yourself. Multiple threads were crafted, and even the collarme women don't like her - And I'm not talking about the current group of posters that is here now.
- R
That doesnt matter though. She's going to be the nominee and even liberals who dont like her will vote for her over Rudy, or Romney, or anyone else.
That's problem that I was getting at. That this is a polarized nation that looks at every election as being between two choices. Liberals and progressives will vote for the Democrat nominee and the conservatives and the right wing will vote for the Republican nominee. Why? Because each side doesn't want the other side to win. So they choose the less of two evils.
Welcome to American politics.
Have to agree 100% with that. I know even though my views are all over the map I decided long ago whoever the Democrats nominate I am voting for their candidate even if I am not a fan. (And I am not one of Clinton). For me right now we have a President for eight years trying to push this country toward a monarchy and at least feels that only the people that voted for him count and not all American citizens. I think it is critical to vote against this more then who has the better get out of Iraq plan or what a 1% tax increase or cut for the top 1% of taxpayers that might be affected by it.
To me though the two reasons why we have such poor candidates to choose from besides the well publicize reason, why would anyone want to put up with it all, is that we start from top down and too many one issue voters.
If we as the voters spent more time caring about who runs from the lowest forms of government we would have a better, not guaranteed, candidates to run.
We also have far too many voters who vote on one issue and often on the delusion of what the other side will do based on fear. Example that Democrats want to take everyone’s guns away or Republicans want to throw anyone that practices pre-marital sex into jail.
And yes I see the irony of bitching about one issue voters as I just listed my one issue why I am voting the way I am.
< Message edited by toservez -- 11/1/2007 2:33:07 PM >
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