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AAkasha -> Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (10/31/2007 2:11:44 PM)

Subs have to walk a fine line between proactive and being pushy or annoying.  They also walk a fine line between being "open" to something, being helpful, vs being a pushy bottom.  I'm interested to hear what other femdoms see as proactive (good, positive ways to be proactive) vs. "radioactive" (toxic, dangerous, warning flags, things that make you want to stay away). Here's my initial list:


Proactive: Is generally always ready to serve
Radioactive: Is always saying "Can I serve you now?" or "What do you want me to do now?" or "I am awaiting your orders."

Proactive: At a kinky party where he doesn't know anyone, he tries to be helpful by cleaning up, asking if someone needs a hand, etc.
Radioactive: At a kinky party where he doesn't know anyone, makes his introductions by using the line, "Hello Mistress, I am a slave. How can I please you?"

Proactive: When he knows his femdom is having a bad day, makes sure her favorite drink is ready when she gets home, tunes the radio to her favorite station and offers to run a hot bath
Radioactive: When he knows his femdom is having a bad day, he puts himself into bondage, adds toys to his private parts, and leaves a note next to him that says, "Take it out on me, Mistress."

Proactive: For his new femdom's birthday, he gives a gift certificate to a kinky outlet if he feels a toy is appropriate
Radioactive: For his new femdom's birthday, he buys the dildo he wants in his ass

Proactive: In a new online relationship, he sends a vanilla, "thinking about you" type of email when he has not heard from her
Radioactive: In a new online relationship, he sends an instant message every time he sees her online and asks, "When are you going to answer my email?" instead of "Hello, how are you doing?"

Any others?

Akasha




petdave -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (10/31/2007 3:06:49 PM)

Aww, man, i thought that was the best Freudian typo ever, and it was intentional. [&o]

Here i am, thinking "male submission is a gift, much like weapons-grade plutonium... While almost every person you meet will scream "GET THAT THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!", it's all about that one in ten million who knows that there's just no substitute..."




Najakcharmer -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (10/31/2007 3:24:12 PM)

Proactive: Says hello in a friendly and cheerful way, taking the time to mention some of the vanilla topics of interest in my profile.
Radioactive: Introduces himself with grossly explicit details of his sexual fantasies and suggestions.

Proactive: Mentions that he's really good at some interesting activity he enjoys, whether that is online gaming, lacrosse, basketball or stamp collecting, and suggests we might enjoy discussing the subject or doing that activity together.
Radioactive: Mentions that he's really good at giving oral sex or taking a dildo up the ass, and makes explicit suggestions regarding those activities.




Politesub53 -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (10/31/2007 4:45:22 PM)

i`m hyperactive......... smirksssssssss  [:)]




MystressDream -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (10/31/2007 5:59:54 PM)

<laughing until tears form>   OMG... I don't know if this was suppose to be funny, but I find it hilarious!! 

The only SAD part is... we have all heard all of these sooooo many times!!  Bring on the "proactives"... <smile>

Thank you for the laugh!




BeautifulRacket -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/1/2007 3:42:19 AM)

Ugh. Unfortunately, all three of the male subs I've met from CM have been radioactive. I'm not giving up hope, but I have a feeling I may have to sort through some more toxic waste to find the clean, proactive ones. At least I'm getting good at spotting them rather quickly; a lot of these guys seem to be very good at presenting themselves as nothing but proactive at first.

Straight from my most recent radioactive encounter:

Proactive: When  the Domme asks  what  his schedule looks like so they can make plans, he tells her.

Radioactive:He answers her question with, "When is best for you, Mistress?" and fails to mention he has a busy weekend. When she tells him, he doesn't respond to her call/e-mail until noon on Sunday, claiming he was out of town and his phone battery died--plus, she never told him the exact time she wanted to meet.Of course, he was busy that time, anyway.

Proactive: "I'm really attracted to you and I'll be honored if you ever decide to give me a kiss/scene with me/etc."

Radioactive: "Do you think I'm going to get a kiss/scene tonight?"




chamberqueen -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/4/2007 9:05:32 AM)

This had me laughing.  These are some from just this past week.  These are all real.

Proactive:  I am intrigued by your profile and would like to know more about you.

Radioactive:  (In first email) I am ready to relocate and move in with you.  I think that you are perfect for me.  Please let me be your slave.

Proactive:  I enjoy being burned, and would enjoy a relationship where that could be part of the discipline.
Radioactive:  Will you burn my balls off?

Proactive:  I understand that your time is valuable to you, but here is my instant messager ID in case you would care to spend your precious time with me at some point.
Radioactive:  Get online with me right now.  I really need to talk with you.  (often followed by at least 3 more emails before I have responded)

Proactive:  It would mean so much to me to simply hear your voice over the phone.  May I have permission to speak with you?  I promise I would keep it to five minutes or less.
Radioactive:  You said you would give me your phone number.  (That was the entire message.  I waited 24 hours before responding that it was a totally impolite way of approaching me, whether I had promised the number of not.)

Proactive:  I enjoy scat play.
Radioactive:  I want you to lock me in the closet, your scat packed inside of me, mummified in your dirty toilet paper, and be chained there for 24 hours.  When I get out I want you to tie a noose around my neck, kick a chair out from under me, and let me dangle for 5 seconds before you save me.

Proactive:  Would you allow me to call my cock "your cock" when I write to you?
Radioactive:  I bow before your picture each morning and say my prayers to you, remembering that it is your cock, your cum, and I am only alive because of you.  By the way, I think it would be nice if you sent longer replies to me emails since I am doing so much for you.

Proactive:  I would be so happy if we could meet and go to dinner and get to know each other better.  Then you can decide if you would ever want a real time session with me, if I meet your expectations.
Radioactive:  I am already hard.  I am sure that we will have a great session after dinner (though I never said there would be one).  I know exactly what you need, a head between your legs.  (Um, no, I needed dinner and laughter and keep my sessions nonsexual.)

There are so many others.  I despise groveling unless I ask for it.  I simply will not stand for pushiness. 

I hope that my examples gave people a few more laughs.  People never cease to amaze me!




MistressMonet2u -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/4/2007 2:49:34 PM)

LOL!!!!!!  This is too funny!

Proactive: Puts an ad for you on craigslist and screens them before presenting them to you at your mere mention of needing a housekeeper.
Radioactive: Shows up at your front door dressed as a french maid carrying a mop and bucket!

"smiling all the while",

   -=M=-




MistressFaye1 -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/4/2007 3:58:55 PM)

LMAO!!!!!!!!!  Oh wow!  I love this thread!  Here are the ones that top the list for Me.

Proactive:  Mistress, i look forward to the day You find Me worthy enough to serve You and to the day You claim me as Yours.
Radioactive:  i need a Mistress that will give me the strap-on because I'm addicted to it.  my last Mistress made me do that, it's Her fault. Oh yeah, i don't belong to anybody so don't ask me that.

Proactive:  i love the fact W/we find W/we can talk about anything and i appreciate the time You're taking to get to know me and for allowing me to know You.
Radioactive: Is Your p---y shaved?  This came after, "Hello." (I am not kidding!)

Proactive:  (Unsolicited) "It will be my honor and pleasure to buy Your costume for You. (I was attending a ClubFem Halloween Party.)
Radioactive: "What kinda toys You got?" 

Proactive:  What a great chat W/we had today Mistress. i am excited that W/we are going to meet in a little over a week. What could be better than to see Savannah for the first time with You?
Radioactive:  Can i come over and You treat me like the slut i am?  (First online conversation via IM)

These are the one's that stand out for Me.  The proactive ones were stated by the same person.  Ahhhhhhh, be still My heart! 

Mistress Faye





gcarlos -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/4/2007 5:25:59 PM)

just looking in....what a great thread!  <giggling> 

--Master's {girl}




Honsoku -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/4/2007 7:45:21 PM)

Proactive: Letting me know of a local gathering I was previously unaware of.
Radioactive: Signing me up for said gathering without my requesting it.

Proactive: Sending me pictures because Collarme hadn't approved them for his profile yet.
Radioactive: Failing to notice that I am not looking for male subs/slaves.

Proactive: Opening with "You are gorgeous. I would be lucky to grasp your attention. Quite intelligent, and elequent."
Radioactive: Complaining that I didn't let her know when I happened to be within a five hour drive of her location.

Honsoku




MissAndry -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 7:49:22 AM)

I have an image in my head of the Animaniacs and the 'good idea, bad idea' segment

good slave: rubs your feet and gives you a luxury relaxing pedicure. This is a good slave.
 
bad slave: takes your feet and uses them to f*ck his ass. Or slobbers all over them in a most unattractive way. This is a bad slave.
 
good slave, bad slave. This has been a message brought to you from Yakko Wakko & Dot.

Or how about Pinky & The Brain.

'What are we going to do tonight Brain?'
'Same thing we do every night Pinky..
... try to find a proactive submissive'.

Lol. sorry random I know but then Ive got a weird head. :D




SoHott -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 7:51:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAndry

I have an image in my head of the Animaniacs and the 'good idea, bad idea' segment

good slave: rubs your feet and gives you a luxury relaxing pedicure. This is a good slave.
 
bad slave: takes your feet and uses them to f*ck his ass. Or slobbers all over them in a most unattractive way. This is a bad slave.
 
good slave, bad slave. This has been a message brought to you from Yakko Wakko & Dot.

Or how about Pinky & The Brain.

'What are we going to do tonight Brain?'
'Same thing we do every night Pinky..
... try to find a proactive submissive'.

Lol. sorry random I know but then Ive got a weird head. :D


Minerva Mink is awesome!




MissAndry -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 8:02:28 AM)

SoHott: I should start up a thread about sexiest cartoon animals - would that be TOO freaky even for here? lol
might get some interesting responses




pixelslave -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 8:20:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chamberqueen
Radioactive:  Will you burn my balls off?


Yikes!  Would that be with a bic lighter, suspended over the charcoal grill, propane perhaps, or better yet with an acetyline torch? [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m28.gif[/image]
 

quote:


Radioactive:  I want you to lock me in the closet, your scat packed inside of me, mummified in your dirty toilet paper, and be chained there for 24 hours.  When I get out I want you to tie a noose around my neck, kick a chair out from under me, and let me dangle for 5 seconds before you save me.


You sure know how to find 'em!  Have to wonder if he gave any consideration to what would happen if you break his neck when you kick the chair out from under him or if he doesn't last 5 seconds using your method of hanging him?  Not to mention that I'm confident you're anxious to be charged with 1st degree murder! [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m7.gif[/image]
 
I'd heard you ladies regularly received rude and odd messages, but some of these are far funnier than I'd ever have imagined! [sm=tongue.gif]
 
 - pixel
 
   Collared to Majik




AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 8:43:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAndry

SoHott: I should start up a thread about sexiest cartoon animals - would that be TOO freaky even for here? lol
might get some interesting responses


I find it difficult to believe that very many threads would be "TOO freaky even for here". 

Perhaps the thread ought to be:
"Cartoon characters you'd most like to  Dominate or be dominated by".
My vote is for these guys: [sm=crop.gif]

To answer the the OP's original question, after reading the answers posted to date, it seems to me that the difference between "Proactive" and "Radioactive" is all about the sub's motivation for taking a certain action.  Is it for him or for her?

I've always felt that I have to approach these decisions with "enlightened self-interest" in mind.  Any time I undermine the Domina's authority in the relationship, I am at odds with the very reason I wanted a FemDom relationship in the first place.  On the other hand, any time I do something to increase her power by clearly demonstrating that I have put her interests before my own, I have given her another reason to see my presence in her life as something valuable and worth keeping.

There is a parable in the New Testament [Luke, Chapter 14] that ends with this advice on humility [Verse 10, King James edition]:

But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.




SoHott -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 8:49:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MissAndry

SoHott: I should start up a thread about sexiest cartoon animals - would that be TOO freaky even for here? lol
might get some interesting responses


This girl thanks MissAndry for her attention. MissAndry's beauty could certainly launch a thousand threads.




Cloudz -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/5/2007 5:56:19 PM)

Fabulous thread! I wish I could contribute, but I am laughing too hard~~




hammerthrower -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/8/2007 6:00:15 PM)

This topic reminds me of the "all dommes want the same guy" thread.

When the OP made that claim, he was denounced. How dare anyone make generalizations about women!? That's a territory that's sacred!

But bitch about "radioactive" subs, and we get a chorus of voices chiming in to compile a laundry list of faults, all of them males. Aren't there any female subs who aren't perfect? Is "radioactive" synonymous with "male?" What sexists are supporting this concept?

It's just that old double standard again. Bitch about women and you're a sexist. Rail against men, and it's comedy.

This is not healthy for our community. Do you people WANT this all to be true? Have any of you pointed out errors a way that was anything other than bitchy, snotty, derisive, or whiny?

I'm sure it makes you feel good to belittle someone in a non-consensual way. You're immune in your little ivory towers, casting rocks down upon those who would cherish you.

Nice work, everyone!




quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Subs have to walk a fine line between proactive and being pushy or annoying.  They also walk a fine line between being "open" to something, being helpful, vs being a pushy bottom.  I'm interested to hear what other femdoms see as proactive (good, positive ways to be proactive) vs. "radioactive" (toxic, dangerous, warning flags, things that make you want to stay away). Here's my initial list:


Proactive: Is generally always ready to serve
Radioactive: Is always saying "Can I serve you now?" or "What do you want me to do now?" or "I am awaiting your orders."

Proactive: At a kinky party where he doesn't know anyone, he tries to be helpful by cleaning up, asking if someone needs a hand, etc.
Radioactive: At a kinky party where he doesn't know anyone, makes his introductions by using the line, "Hello Mistress, I am a slave. How can I please you?"

Proactive: When he knows his femdom is having a bad day, makes sure her favorite drink is ready when she gets home, tunes the radio to her favorite station and offers to run a hot bath
Radioactive: When he knows his femdom is having a bad day, he puts himself into bondage, adds toys to his private parts, and leaves a note next to him that says, "Take it out on me, Mistress."

Proactive: For his new femdom's birthday, he gives a gift certificate to a kinky outlet if he feels a toy is appropriate
Radioactive: For his new femdom's birthday, he buys the dildo he wants in his ass

Proactive: In a new online relationship, he sends a vanilla, "thinking about you" type of email when he has not heard from her
Radioactive: In a new online relationship, he sends an instant message every time he sees her online and asks, "When are you going to answer my email?" instead of "Hello, how are you doing?"

Any others?

Akasha





AAkasha -> RE: Proactive vs. Radioactive subs (11/8/2007 6:02:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hammerthrower

This topic reminds me of the "all dommes want the same guy" thread.

When the OP made that claim, he was denounced. How dare anyone make generalizations about women!? That's a territory that's sacred!

But bitch about "radioactive" subs, and we get a chorus of voices chiming in to compile a laundry list of faults, all of them males. Aren't there any female subs who aren't perfect? Is "radioactive" synonymous with "male?" What sexists are supporting this concept?

It's just that old double standard again. Bitch about women and you're a sexist. Rail against men, and it's comedy.

This is not healthy for our community. Do you people WANT this all to be true? Have any of you pointed out errors a way that was anything other than bitchy, snotty, derisive, or whiny?

I'm sure it makes you feel good to belittle someone in a non-consensual way. You're immune in your little ivory towers, casting rocks down upon those who would cherish you.

Nice work, everyone!





Did you ENTIRELY miss that 1/2 of this thread (proactive) is about POSITIVE features of submissive men?  Or are you that dim?

Akasha




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