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RE: Spirituality and BDSM - 11/1/2007 11:19:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

What if your a atheist. Instead of saying OMG you say that was great. The same feelings expressed in different ways. What next are you going to put in your profile that you must have a religous experience if I make you feel good.

I never said that anyone HAD to have a religious experience. As a matter of fact, I asked for people to describe them IF they have them. If you don't, then that's fine - don't mock me for my beliefs, because I don't mock yours.

However, if I may make a point - you acknowledge that you have the same feelings, only expressed differently. How is someone perceiving and interpreting them in a way unfamiliar to you something to mock?

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RE: Spirituality and BDSM - 11/1/2007 11:24:37 AM

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Thank you, Thorysus - you've brought up an interesting point. Spirituality doesn't necessarily mean religion. One doesn't have to follow a certain faith to be spiritual - it's more about a connection with one's surroundings.

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RE: Spirituality and BDSM - 11/1/2007 12:03:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar: What if your a atheist. Instead of saying OMG you say that was great. The same feelings expressed in different ways.

I don't mean to dilute the topic of the thread, but I wanted to quickly add something to this concept: I think that "Oh, my God" and related expressions have definitely become somewhat secular, in that the speaker can be an atheist without really introducing too much conceptual discord. Beyond that, though, I do not think that atheism and spirituality are mutually exclusive; religion and spirituality intersect at points, but not all religion is spirituality, and not all spirituality is religion.

Okay... thanks for indulging me.

Now back to the actual topic:

I think "Zen" is a great way of phrasing it. There is a "progression of understand" that I have always associated with Zen, that I definitely feel in BDSM. I'll try to explain that progression: It seems a large part of Zen involves being "in the moment" and letting the universal wisdom guide your actions, without conscious interruption or judgment. However, before something can achieve this state of being second nature, it requires "practice" in the form of meditation, contemplation, etc. In other words, chopping wood can't become second nature until you know how to chop wood!

So, when I am in a BDSM scene, I feel this same progression taking place, because there are times that I feel bogged down by my conscious mind judging and asking questions; but as time goes on, they happen less often. Increasingly, those moments are superceded by the "emptiness" so characteristic of Zen experiences, and it is after these scenes that I truly feel rejuvenated, because my actions are guided entirely by my partner, as a function of her Dominant whim or submissive demeanor.

I think the best way I can describe it is that, when I'm "doing it right", I almost get the sense that I am observing myself from within, experiencing sensations and watching them come and go without judging them or guiding their path through my psyche--merely letting them burgeon into their own patterns of emotion and feeling.

I hope some of that made sense!

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