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Alumbrado -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 8:31:12 AM)

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Freedom of speech is the freedom of persecution for what someone has said.  If he didn't issue an immediate and sincere apology for what he said, there would have been a public uproar because of it.  If someone has to apologize for what they said, then it's not freedom of speech.


That's one possible definition of freedom of speech. The more usual one is along the lines of not being arrested for what you say.




rubberpet -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 8:43:03 AM)

I'm not condoning what he said, not in the least bit.  But he wouldn't be arrested for what he said.  There would have been enough of an uproar for him to apologize.  Plus, it probably would have hurt his career if he didn't...losing sponsors, ratings, and his fans.  The viewing public is a fickle group.

Whether it's persecution or prosecution, someone should not have to publicly apologize for something said in private.  Just my opinion.




EPGAH -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 8:46:36 AM)

A&E has already stopped production of his show...Like Don Imus and "Kramer" before him, one quote cost him his career already!




rubberpet -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 8:52:21 AM)

There is a perfect example of the after effects of a poor choice of words.  A&E doesn't want to get caught up in the shitstorm, so they quickly seperated themselves from any possible backlash.  I wonder if Fox will pick up his show?  They don't care who they offend[:D]




stef -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:02:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Freedom of speech is the freedom of persecution for what someone has said.

Nonsense.  "Freedom of speech" does not mean you can say whatever you want wherever you want without fear of repercussion.

~stef




Alumbrado -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:03:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

I'm not condoning what he said, not in the least bit.  But he wouldn't be arrested for what he said.  There would have been enough of an uproar for him to apologize.  Plus, it probably would have hurt his career if he didn't...losing sponsors, ratings, and his fans.  The viewing public is a fickle group.

Whether it's persecution or prosecution, someone should not have to publicly apologize for something said in private.  Just my opinion.


Fair enough.  Didn't figure you were condoning him.

Maybe he should call Natalie Maines and ask for advice on dealing with public outrage over comments...[:D]




rook42 -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:14:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
Or do you have some belief that Mexico will develop a respect for our laws and hand over fleeing criminals?


They do. We extradite criminals out of Mexico all the time. Talk with the FBI. Ordinarily, we just ask the Mexican police to make the arrest, though, before having them handed to us.
In principle, quite effective. And quite effective when said criminal doesn't have money; the issue is the corruption of the law enforcement down there.




EPGAH -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:18:14 AM)

I would assume that the heir to Max Factor would be able to buy Mexico...oddly, rich people in Mexico don't have anyone illegally immigrating to their estates, only to the States...
Wonder if they have stricter punishments for tresspassing than just getting sent home...again and again and again?[;)]




Alumbrado -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:26:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

So you're saying we should let a serial rapist go? Or do you have some belief that Mexico will develop a respect for our laws and hand over fleeing criminals? If and when that happens, I'll not only make a full apology to you and the rest of Mexico's apologists, I'll be very impressed to boot...But so far, Mexicans have shown a great contempt for our language, culture, and ESPECIALLY our laws!


More tap dancing and name calling to avoid admitting that Chapman had no real authority outside of the US.  The fact that it was Mexico only matters to you. Why is that?


Oh, and BTW:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20060707-1734-ca-extraditedfugitives.html

http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_333224910.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16718793/

http://www.usmarshals.gov/news/chron/2007/010907.htm

http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/local_story_111222258.html

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=4350722

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CollegeConundrum -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:34:32 AM)

I love Dog. 

If there was ever the most hypocritical fuck, he was it.

"Please God, protect me and my family, as we go to support ourselves and grace ourselves with food as we GO TO PICK UP THIS MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT AND THROW HIM IN THE FUCKING JAIL WITH THE REST OF THOSE COCKSUCKING SON OF A BITCHES.

Please God, wrap your hands around us and embrace us in safety as we go on the hunt.  Guide us with your wisdom as we BRING IN ANOTHER DUMB MOTHERFUCKING CRACK HEAD.  WHO'S FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT ASS I'M GOING TO FUCKIN KICK.  WE'RE DOING TO DRAG THAT FUCKING PRICK THROUGH THE STREETS RIGHT INTO THE GOD DAMN JAIL CELL.

Amen."




EPGAH -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:51:28 AM)

Yes, but also notice in most these articles, Americans have to "make a deal with Mexican authorities"--we can't seek the death penalty, because MEXICO doesn't believe in it? Why should Mexico's beliefs influence our criminal proceedings? Why should we have to keep these animals in American jails (I FIRMLY believe in outsourcing our prison industry--preferably to China, where there are few prison riots, simply because their government, for all its "abuses", doesn't put up with that!)
As to why Mexico matters to us, take a look around, who is marching through our streets, who is corrupting our neighborhoods, and which language is being added to TV shows, consumer-goods, and even electronics? Hint: It's not China/Chinese...
159 years since the last time they felt their "culture" was superior enough to attack us (They failed, but are now doing by stealth what they couldn't do by force), and while we're good enough to invade and steal from, it's not worth them learning our language and/or respecting our laws? Yet we're supposed to learn their language and/or respect their laws? How's that work?




Owner59 -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 9:58:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Dog is being scrutinized because of what he said.  Freedom of speech is the freedom of persecution for what someone has said.  If he didn't issue an immediate and sincere apology for what he said, there would have been a public uproar because of it.  If someone has to apologize for what they said, then it's not freedom of speech.

As for as a private conversation goes, it was a converstation between he and his son.  If his son doesn't agree what he said, that is between the two of them and it should stay between the two of them.  Dog's son shouldn't have stirred up a hornet's nest just because he got pissy because of what his dad said.  Keep in the family and discuss it there, not in the shit-stirring media.


Freedom of speech is the freedom of persecution for what someone has said.
 
 
Wrong,,,
 
  Freedom of speech, means that the government shall  not
make laws(or take actions) restricting one`s freedom of speech.That`s it.And that hasn`t happened here.
 
It doesn`t say anything about protection from "persecution"(as you put it,lol),or public ridicule,for something dumb that you say.

Freedom of speech,is not a license to say what ever you want and get away with it.
 
You live and die by your own words,thoughts and deeds.
It`s up to you,to manage yourself and "earn" people`s respect.

 




stef -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:14:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Yes, but also notice in most these articles, Americans have to "make a deal with Mexican authorities"--we can't seek the death penalty, because MEXICO doesn't believe in it? Why should Mexico's beliefs influence our criminal proceedings?

Mexico is hardly the only country that will not grant extradition if the offense has the death penalty attached, but I can't help but notice that you don't ever mention any of those other countries in your mindless, racist tirades.  Did your parents start beating your hatred into you from when you were in the crib or did you develop it all on your own as an adult?

~stef




Alumbrado -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:15:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Yes, but also notice in most these articles, Americans have to "make a deal with Mexican authorities"--we can't seek the death penalty, because MEXICO doesn't believe in it? Why should Mexico's beliefs influence our criminal proceedings? Why should we have to keep these animals in American jails (I FIRMLY believe in outsourcing our prison industry--preferably to China, where there are few prison riots, simply because their government, for all its "abuses", doesn't put up with that!)
As to why Mexico matters to us, take a look around, who is marching through our streets, who is corrupting our neighborhoods, and which language is being added to TV shows, consumer-goods, and even electronics? Hint: It's not China/Chinese...
159 years since the last time they felt their "culture" was superior enough to attack us (They failed, but are now doing by stealth what they couldn't do by force), and while we're good enough to invade and steal from, it's not worth them learning our language and/or respecting our laws? Yet we're supposed to learn their language and/or respect their laws? How's that work?


We can't seek the death penalty because 'we' put it that way in a treaty.  Are you now saying that we can just ignore our own laws, just because Mexicans are involved? Not let our criminal procedures be inconvenienced by written laws? 
How does that work again? Much like your imaginary US bounty hunter jurisdiction in other countries?

But don't worry, no one ever believed for a second that you would actually apologize when proven wrong about Mexico never handing over fleeing criminals. Anymore than anyone believes that your foaming at the mouth is motivated by humanitarian concerns.




EPGAH -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:21:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stef
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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
Yes, but also notice in most these articles, Americans have to "make a deal with Mexican authorities"--we can't seek the death penalty, because MEXICO doesn't believe in it? Why should Mexico's beliefs influence our criminal proceedings?

Mexico is hardly the only country that will not grant extradition if the offense has the death penalty attached, but I can't help but notice that you don't ever mention any of those other countries in your mindless, racist tirades.  Did your parents start beating your hatred into you from when you were in the crib or did you develop it all on your own as an adult?
~stef

No, it's motivated by seeing 5 of my friends gunned down by illegal scum in front of me when I was 16...something like that can warp someone's mind for life...
Or I can go into pretty much any store and see the labels for most consumer goods having subtitles in Spanish...
Or the inconsiderate foreigns speaking Spanish in public without providing subtitles at all...
Or, of course, I can dial the tech-support line for pretty much ANY product or service, and be asked to "Press 1 for English, Appuyo dos por Espanol", or something like that...I notice that nowhere do you advocate us adding the extra burden of languages other than Spanish...But why should we have to burden ourselves with ANY languages other than English in America...They want our money, our goods, our help, they can learn English!
Also, Mexican isn't a race, it's a loyalty to a country other than the US...A country that we supposedly beat down and bought land we had already conquered for a couple MILLION dollars American (Attacking America for Fun and Profit!)...A country that keeps invading us and wants us to help them, but doesn't want to change to make it more palatable to help them...Or are they just automatically better for being NON-American?




laurell3 -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:37:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

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ORIGINAL: stef
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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
Yes, but also notice in most these articles, Americans have to "make a deal with Mexican authorities"--we can't seek the death penalty, because MEXICO doesn't believe in it? Why should Mexico's beliefs influence our criminal proceedings?

Mexico is hardly the only country that will not grant extradition if the offense has the death penalty attached, but I can't help but notice that you don't ever mention any of those other countries in your mindless, racist tirades.  Did your parents start beating your hatred into you from when you were in the crib or did you develop it all on your own as an adult?
~stef

No, it's motivated by seeing 5 of my friends gunned down by illegal scum in front of me when I was 16...something like that can warp someone's mind for life...
Or I can go into pretty much any store and see the labels for most consumer goods having subtitles in Spanish...
Or the inconsiderate foreigns speaking Spanish in public without providing subtitles at all...
Or, of course, I can dial the tech-support line for pretty much ANY product or service, and be asked to "Press 1 for English, Appuyo dos por Espanol", or something like that...I notice that nowhere do you advocate us adding the extra burden of languages other than Spanish...But why should we have to burden ourselves with ANY languages other than English in America...They want our money, our goods, our help, they can learn English!
Also, Mexican isn't a race, it's a loyalty to a country other than the US...A country that we supposedly beat down and bought land we had already conquered for a couple MILLION dollars American (Attacking America for Fun and Profit!)...A country that keeps invading us and wants us to help them, but doesn't want to change to make it more palatable to help them...Or are they just automatically better for being NON-American?


God forbid us godly americans should have to have anything to do with another language, even something as simple as listening to a 2 second section of a voice recording.  How dare people inflict culture on us!  I demand we stay singular, unadulterated, unintelligent, unknowledgable fools about other countries, culture and people!

We are SO far behind the times and other countries as far as really integrating quality education, culture and language in our country and education, I think this whiney complaint misses the point that we are teaching our kids ignorance, intolerance and limiting their opportunities with our supremicist attitudes.

Seriously, I'm sorry your friends were "gunned down", however, you seem to have enough intelligence to understand that a few violent hispanics do not make a world of them, anymore than a few violent americans make a country of hatemongers. We are paying this price as americans right now, everyday, because of such stereotypes. Obviously not all hispanics enter this country to commit crimes, that's just ridiculous hatred stemming apparently from personal trauma.  Racism is unintelligent dogma, let it go.
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Alumbrado -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:38:01 AM)

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But why should we have to burden ourselves with ANY languages other than English in America...They want our money, our goods, our help, they can learn English!
Also, Mexican isn't a race, it's a loyalty to a country other than the US...



Tappity tappity tap...




popeye1250 -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:42:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pgashlie

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Wow, from being arrested by Mexicans for chasing a criminal (Notice how they pitch a fit if Americans arrest one of THEIRS--and theirs are NOT here to enforce laws, but to break them?) and now this?


Last time I checked, bounty hunters were not law enforcement officers.
They are private citizens who make a living from collecting rewards, the decision on whether the suspect is actually a criminal is not theirs - nor yours - to make. The suspect is wanted under a warrant...  not tried and convicted.
As such, detaining a foreign national in a foreign country is a criminal act by a private visitor, and that country can take any action defined by its laws. The same applies to foreign nationals in the USofA

Secondly... Nice of you to imply that foreign citizens are in the USoA exclusively to break laws.  Next time you meet a Hispanic/European/African/anywhere-else  cop, nurse, doctor, or construction worker,  try telling them that...




I think you're wrong there.
The courts have ruled that while they are in possesion of a court ordered arrest warrant that they are law enforcement officers acting under direction of a court (warrant).
And they have more power than regular law enforcement officers in that they can go basically anywhere and don't need search warrants and can carry any type of weaponry.
I could be wrong but I think that's pretty close.




mya75 -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:49:45 AM)

After watching a news clip on this ..Seems to me he did what every other person in this situation does..1.Contact their mentors  *whom happen to be of an ethnic background* LOL....2.Claim they never use this word and dont know what caused the outburst. 3. Apologize Apologize Apologize ......My thought is I dont look at him any differently than I did prior to this...kinda goes with the saying if it looks like a duck and walks like a duk its probably a duck...I always thought he was a bit of a bigot and racist....He just took the steps to prove me right.....




EPGAH -> RE: Dog the Bounty Hunter & the "N" word (11/1/2007 10:58:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3
God forbid us godly americans should have to have anything to do with another language, even something as simple as listening to a 2 second section of a voice recording.  How dare people inflict culture on us!  I demand we stay singular, unadulterated, unintelligent, unknowledgable fools about other countries, culture and people!
We are SO far behind the times and other countries as far as really integrating quality education, culture and language in our country and education, I think this whiney complaint misses the point that we are teaching our kids ignorance, intolerance and limiting their opportunities with our supremicist attitudes.
Seriously, I'm sorry your friends were "gunned down", however, you seem to have enough intelligence to understand that a few violent hispanics do not make a world of them, anymore than a few violent americans make a country of hatemongers. We are paying this price as americans right now, everyday, because of such stereotypes. Obviously not all hispanics enter this country to commit crimes, that's just ridiculous hatred stemming apparently from personal trauma.  Racism is unintelligent dogma, let it go.

You talk about education, but remember, in America, education takes money, teachers--and all other occupations--are paid more. (This is a prime reason that the foreigns invade our country) BUT every moment we waste trying to teach English to unwilling foreigns is a moment we COULD spend teaching something useful. As a result America's education system is dumbed down to let the foreigns pass, otherwise the foreign-infested schools lose Federal funding (And we CERTAINLY can't ask the invaders' home-countries to foot the bill for their re-education, can we? How rude of us evil, evil Americans to ask foreigns to pay their own way!) Gifted programs have been cut to 10% of their former funding (Don't worry, they weren't getting paid much anyways!)
By contrast, in China and other countries we are falling behind, the compulsory education thing is "adjusted" so that those who fail, get to go to lesser schools, aimed at lower occupations. China has taken 2 professors from our University alone to help them learn English--and the kids are actually anxious to learn! (In the news last night, they claimed that China has more English speakers than the USA! While PART of that could be their higher population and the Law of Averages, it could also be that our "all cultures are equal" BS has reduced the value of learning English and assimilation, PLUS a few million--the number varies between 12 MILLION and 40 MILLION--illegals...)
Racism is often bandied about to squelch this sort of reasoning, but Americ is losing precisely BECAUSE we cater to other countries' rejects who abruptly decide that they don't even "need" to learn our language--but they still want our money/goods/foreign-aid! I agree with you that racism is unintelligent and dogmatic, but let us instead call this NATIONALISM...
There is even an Hispanic organization ALLEGEDLY dedicated to rooting out illegals--they want to police themselves(?)--called "You Don't Speak For Me"
Even if it IS a hoax, it's a well-articulated hoax, about LEGAL immigrants who believe their neighborhoods and/or reputations have been ruined by the hijinx of the ingrate illegals, www.dontspeakforme.org
Since America is paying these other countries, what's wrong with them spending some of that money to learn English--or taking taxpayer-subsidized "English as a Second Language" classes (Or like aforementioned China, they could learn English, since that is de-facto the international language, and/or just to earn more money--or should we just pay them for being foreign and bringing "culture" in exchange for our First World "benefits" and "technology", especially in the field of MEDICINE?![;)])




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