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Mastermind8989 -> sending money (2/15/2004 9:31:01 AM)

I just thought I would open up this topic for general discussion. I am really curious where other masters are with the issue. Here is the hypothetical. A girl puts up a profile here and wants to be a slave. She is say in some thrid world country so she has no money to get a passport, visa, or a plane ticket. of course it is reasonable for the Master to pay her relocation expenses. But how do you know she is real. At first she wants $100 bucks to get a passport. $100 bucks for a passport may not sound like much but if its a scam, 100 masters each sending $100 bucks for a passport adds up quick as a lucrative scam. I am sure there are some real and sincere girls overseas but other than going over to where they are, how can you know they are real and not scammers.

Before anybody flames me for being stupid, I have not sent anyone any money.



MistressDREAD -> RE: sending money (2/15/2004 10:16:12 AM)

sneeks into the Masters section to speak on a topic I have much experiance in............

First off hello Mastermind,
I have 26 slaves that live in My Home in Jamaica whom have come from all over the world at different times in My life and theirs.
You do not need send any money to a slave period in order to gain their being into the country You are at. You will need them to send You a copy of their birth certificate and any passport or id papers they have and then file Your self for a pass port for them in Your name as the one whom is sponcering them to Your Country first off. The average pass port currently runs from 65.US to 275. US depending on the country of origin. Next is the Visa allowance and this is where gaining a slave from another country can be tricky and costly. Each Country only has so many visa's available per year and most countrys are two or three years behind and always way more people filiing for them then are available not to mention the types of visas available and You need to determin if they are comming to You only temporarily or comming to the Country perminantly. The best way to bring any slave to You thru a Visa is to file for them as temp workers and that is the kind of Visa to use this gives You sum holdings on the Contracts and the slaves being there under Your servitude. When they prove their value then You can file for a more perminant Paper for them. Worker Visas uaually start at 275. US and can go up as far as 2,000.US. depending on the country or origin and this to is payed by You to the embassy on behalf of the person. There will be police records and fingerprinting that will need to be done of the slave and that can be payed directly to the area they live and even a escort payed in the form of a laywer in the area to see to it that the slave follows thru on the processes needed to be done in order for them to gain their papers for travel. They will have to take a complete medical including testing for Aids, ALL communicable viruses, Tb and other infections, And all inoculations that they might not of had and will need to get in order to travel to another country. A back ground check will need to be payed for to find out their pasts and if there is any family say a husband or wife and children thats not being shown and if there is any financial responcibility to them by the one you are filing for. As You can see there is a process to go thru and this is not sumthing that will take a day or a week or a month and in most cases not even a years time and You must be sure You desire to inivest such for what will come in the end. I have had 9 of My lifetime contracted slaves from Jamaicas papers filed for visas to come to the USA now for two years and I have yet to gain their paper work and safe passage to Me here in this Country and these are My Posessions that I allready Own and Trust and Care for in My Other HOME abroad to give You a sample of what can entail in bringing sumone from another country to Yours. And each Country is different in The wait times and such. Send moneys?? I would not unless You have a desire to simply help sumone in another country take care of them selfs if You have money to spare for such a donation. I will say that of all the Countrys of the WORLD USA Citizens are the easiest to travel out side Their countys and if this is a slave whom You feel worth Your tiime Id tell You to get a round trip ticket and go to the slave and tend t their business in their Own country for things do tend to get done faster if You deal straight with their embassys needs in person on behalf of the person and this way you can see where they live and what they do with their life if You truly have a interest in them and understand that most in a slave type personallity are not the business type persons and will have a hard time in tending to such complicated matters any how and I have found in My experiance that when I go tend to the items My self they get done in a much more effecient matter. If You feel that You would like to follow thru with such I CAN give You embassy contact numbers and Visa information applicaitons and the like for all most any Country in the World.



MistressDREAD -> RE: sending money (2/15/2004 10:22:44 AM)

~~giggles~~ Ohhhhh yea forgot to add ..........no shame in My game and no hypotheticals for ME. Be prepared to be not only investigated by the US Goverment but to be added to a Watchdog survailance of Your actions perminantly for life as well by INS and FBI...... This is the reality of a Lifestyle that We choose to live that does NOT follow Societys opinion of NORMALLLL and Your Life will always come under the microscope for inpropriorties and abuse of Laws in place on slavery against will issues. SOOOOO always be careful of Your wordings in speach and writings ~smile~



DomTampaDominica -> RE: sending money (2/15/2004 12:02:13 PM)

[8|] Mistress Dread...I agree with you 100%.....One can not be 2 careful even DOM has to protect themselves.....[;)]



hisbijou -> RE: sending money (2/15/2004 12:19:44 PM)

Personally, Sir. i would be against sending money to anyone....it seems foolish to me. there surely must be slaves, subs, who are within a reasonable area to where You reside, who might be adequate applicants. just my opinion, Sir.
i think generally, though, when people are willing to cross country, or move to another place, far from family and friends, etc. it should really raise a red flag.
bijou



MistressDREAD -> RE: sending money (2/15/2004 11:12:45 PM)

quote:

there surely must be slaves, subs, who are within a reasonable area to where You residem who might be adequate applicants. just my opinion,Sir. i think generally, though, when people are willing to cross country, or move to another place, far from family and freinds, etc. it should really raise a red flag.


I disagree bijou



MistressRana -> RE: sending money (2/16/2004 12:57:00 PM)

I find such solicitations to be rip offs. Other masters in my area have experienced this rip-off. If a slave wants to serve, I have specific parameters which do not include a FREE ride. If they are sincere, and truly want to serve me, they can prove their devotion and truth by working hard to obtain a one-way ticket to me. Then, if things do not work out, I promise to pay their way home. If a slave is too lazy, incapable or has many excuses for not being able to work enough to obtain a ticket one-way to be with you (one-way bus tickets are as little as $50), then do you really want them to "serve" you, do you really think they are capable to "serve" you if they are unable to hold a job or earn a small fund to travel?

Just my opinion ...
Mistress Rana



hisbijou -> RE: sending money (2/16/2004 12:57:03 PM)

Thank You, Mistress. i understand. i have no experience in this area, only hate for others to be taken advantage of. point taken.
be well,
bijou



EStrict -> RE: sending money (2/16/2004 1:47:04 PM)

hi Rana,

Though I do agree a people should pay their own way when going to meet, (and to me this applies to dominants as well as submissives), I think you missed what he said. He asked about people in 3rd world countries. There being no jobs is not the same as being to lazy to work. And as Dread points out, there are all kinds of things that that are legal that need to be dealt with (such as visa's, passports, etc).

Of course, I also agree with Bijou, that it's better to try to find someone local, and even though some have found good dominants, submissives or slaves in far off places, there are also many who have been *taken* (both in this lifestyle and vanilla) by those who are not real.

Dread's suggestions sound feasible, though, since the % of online relationships that go to RL that last more than a few months seems to be not much more than the amount of marriages in the US, I know I personally wouldn't want to put that much time and effort into something that it's going to take years to even find out if it *can* work.

Sandy



MistressRana -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/16/2004 5:49:32 PM)

Hi Sandy:

It's nice to see a familiar person here. Actually, I did catch that he was speaking of third world countries, but jobs or no jobs, I still keep the same requirements. If they are determined, they will find some work and save up for it. I have had several applicants from Canada (I know, not as far away), but they were still obligated to provide their fare one way. So far, if they truly wanted to make it work, they paid their fare themselves. We brought a Canadian gal down for Willy, they hit it off, and although her visa expired (and we had to send her back) - they are still seeing each other, just got married this week in Canada, and are applying for a spouse visa this week. It will still be a few months before she can live here permanently, but we find "pay the fare one-way" to be a workable solution, and a good screener for wannabes and rip-offs. Hey, nice to her from you, Sandy!

MsRana



Estring -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/16/2004 6:39:18 PM)

I agree with Rana. If someone from a third world country wants to get here bad enough, they can get a job. And failing that, there is always stowing away in the jet wheel well. Lol. Kidding.
Seriously, just state up front that the slave/sub will have to pay to get here. If her interest cools, well then you will know what's up.
I had a Brasilian slave who I corresponded with years ago. I made it very clear that I would not be anyone's sugar daddy from the start. She told me she didn't care about my money, and our relationship continued. Unfortunately, many women from third world countries see American men as a way to escape their problems. So find out what they are after from the start.



inyouagain -> RE: sending money (2/16/2004 11:37:25 PM)

I feel so sorry for the friend of your friend's friend's friend... that would really suck!

Buyer beware... Owner likewise.
Fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on me!
Fool my friend shame on you!
Fool my friend's friend shame on you!
Fool my friend's friend's friend shame on you again!
Fool my friend's friend's friend's friend... I don't care, I've got my own problems!

P.T. Barnum - ''There's a sucker born every minute''

Italian proverb:
"Uno sciocco e il suo denaro son presto separati"
-(a fool and his money are soon parted)-

Latin wisdom:
"Illegitimi Non Carborundum"
-(don't let the bastards rub you the wrong way)-

Mom always said, ''If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't''

The ocean is full of sharks, and so is the worldwide BDSM community.

Your exact circumstances may dictate otherwise, but I agree with the one-way concept, and if the sub is in Malaysia, US, or across town they don't get a free ride to me or my money sent to them in most cases. Of course there could be an exception, but it would require lengthy communications prior to any exception.



iwillserveu -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/19/2004 6:02:57 PM)

I know it was said as a joke, but I want to make it clear that stowing away in a wheel well is DEATH! Yes there have been survivors. They make the news because they are so rare.

The Wheel well is not pressured, and not heated. Going from near sea level and staying on the top of Mount Everest for a few hours is not recommended.

Estring,

I understood "lol. Kidding." I'm just afraid some out there lurking thinks it may be a good idea.



Estring -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/19/2004 11:24:10 PM)

I seriously doubt anyone here is going to stow away in wheel wells. I am a Dom, but i don't think I am THAT persuasive. Lol.



inyouagain -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/22/2004 12:52:50 AM)

There's a new fad... boxing oneself up and air freighting oneself to destination.

It's 50/50... sometimes you get a good tight bird, sometimes you get the one with the cargo bay hold pressurization problems that have yet to be fixed... wear thick socks!



sub4hire -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/22/2004 12:21:02 PM)

I have a rather obvious question at least to me. If I lived in a third world country where I had no indoor plumbing. Or carpet under my feet. Just a dirt floor with no electricity.
Where am I getting this computer to correspond to the rich people in the US to ask them for money to travel? People in third world countries generally don't have the luxury of having a computer.

With that said. I agree with most of the people who spoke. I feel if you have the desire you can make the money. Understanding most people you seem to come across over the net are usually just wanting to live out a fantasy they read about. Few are truly serious. For those few...if you want it bad enough it will happen. People have been making things happen for themselves since the dawn of time. They will continue to do so long after we are all gone.

I don't feel I know anyone over the internet well enough to give them any type of money. Now if we know each other in person and via the net...now that may be a different story given the certain set of circumstances.

Just my two cents,
Gloria



NewSubGirl -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/22/2004 8:05:22 PM)

quote:

I have a rather obvious question at least to me. If I lived in a third world country where I had no indoor plumbing. Or carpet under my feet. Just a dirt floor with no electricity.
Where am I getting this computer to correspond to the rich people in the US to ask them for money to travel?


Brilliant!

Holly



JerryInTampa -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/22/2004 8:07:22 PM)

The short answer for me is "different responses for different situations". That said, I am far more willing to invest money than send it... a sentiment which can be accomplished through methods already described by previous posters.

27? How do you even keep track of them? That's not a household, that's a village.



Estring -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/22/2004 10:26:40 PM)

Many of these girls in a third world country use an internet cafe.



sub4hire -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (2/22/2004 11:19:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

Many of these girls in a third world country use an internet cafe.



I bet that 40 mile hike through the farmland with no shoes on is pretty rough on them.
I mean come on..does'nt anybody watch the national geographic channel? Third world countries seem to be their specialty.
I guess I'd just need to actually see one of these people and know for myself thats where they were actually coming from before it could become real to me.

Gloria



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