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USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 11:05:49 AM   
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Interesting, if true.

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1192380718519&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

'USAF struck Syrian nuclear site'

The September 6 raid over Syria was carried out by the US Air Force, the Al-Jazeera Web site reported Friday. The Web site quoted Israeli and Arab sources as saying that two US jets armed with tactical nuclear weapons carried out an attack on a suspected nuclear site under construction.
The sources were quoted as saying that Israeli F-15 and F-16 jets provided cover for the US planes.

The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed.

At the beginning of October, Israel's military censor began to allow the local media to report on the raid without attributing their report to foreign sources. Nevertheless, details of the strike have remained clouded in mystery.

On October 28, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the cabinet that he had apologized to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan if Israel violated Turkish airspace during a strike on an alleged nuclear facility in Syria last month.  In a carefully worded statement that was given to reporters after the cabinet meeting, Olmert said: "In my conversation with the Turkish prime minister, I told him that if Israeli planes indeed penetrated Turkish airspace, then there was no intention thereby, either in advance or in any case, to - in any way - violate or undermine Turkish sovereignty, which we respect."

The New York Times reported on October 13 that Israeli planes struck at what US and Israeli intelligence believed was a partly constructed nuclear reactor in Syria on September 6, citing American and foreign officials who had seen the relevant intelligence reports.

According to the report, Israel carried out the report to send a message that it would not tolerate even a nuclear program in its initial stages of construction in any neighboring state.

On October 17, Syria denied that one of its representatives to the United Nations told a panel that an Israeli air strike hit a Syrian nuclear facility and added that "such facilities do not exist in Syria."

A UN document released by the press office had provided an account of a meeting of the First Committee, Disarmament and International Security, in New York, and paraphrased an unnamed Syrian representative as saying that a nuclear facility was hit by the raid.

However, the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency, SANA said media reports, apparently based on a UN press release, misquoted the Syrian diplomat.


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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 11:07:57 AM   
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So, when did Congress declare War against Syria, and appropriate any money for operations against that Sovereign nation?

Or did Bush Lie again about what a different budget appropriation would be used for?

That's all assuming the entire story isn't just bullshit.



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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 11:56:27 AM   
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Just my guess but I would say even a low yield tactical nuclear detonation would be impossible to cover up or deny…so I would say the validity of the report of their use is bullshit…but again just a guess.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:03:01 PM   
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You know, that's what pisses me off. Don't you think a JOURNALIST would grab a Geiger counter and take a look themselves?



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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:05:54 PM   
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Yeah KD, the Russians, Chinese, And French would be up in arms, if an atomic weopon had been used.  It might have been a DU bunkerbuster though.  Seems like an Al Jezeera kind of mistake/ lie to print. 

Notice that Syria is denying that one of thier UN people admitted it was a undeclared, non NPT compliant nuclear facility. 

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:09:01 PM   
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If it's reported on an Al-Jazeera website it must be true. What a load of crappy crap crap.... 

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:09:54 PM   
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This stinks of BS. If Syria had had 2 nukes dropped on it it would be leading journalists out into the desert with geiger counters to whine about it.

However it wouldn't surprise me that a Daisy cutter or similiar high end conventional weapon was used by a US aircraft in the strike. No way does anyone sane want Syria to have a nuclear weapon.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:14:05 PM   
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Jeezuss, nowhere in the article does it say that they were used but only that they were carried.  It happens quite a bit actually.  Sometimes only for practice even.  This is a journalistic exaggeration... technically probalby true that the payload of the plane included a tactical nuke.  If they had used it everyone would know, trust me....

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:15:30 PM   
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You know, that's what pisses me off. Don't you think a JOURNALIST would grab a Geiger counter and take a look themselves?


If it was a nuclear weapons site that was allegedly blown up, how would you expect geiger counters to prove or disprove what type of ordinances were used in its destruction.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:19:26 PM   
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First, I don't buy it was a Nuclear Weapons site.

And if they have radio-actives, on-site? WTF is Bush doing wasting energy engaging Iran , who the IAEA says isn't diverting uranium, when Syria has, according to the people who promote this hypothesis, enough of a supply.

Of course, the other aspect is that analysis of the radioactive samples obtained, can PINPOINT the exact reactor,

*** D'oh, not Reactor... That's Plutonium. But the idea of "fingerprinting" the uranium samples still fits... ***

date, and time it was enriched in.

Again, I go for "Bushco Sock-Puppet Disinformation".



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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:20:57 PM   
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"The sources added that each US plane carried one tactical nuclear weapon and that the site was hit by one bomb and was totally destroyed. "

No Sean for practice they carry around dummies.  And they do not commonly take them on fighter craft into hostile territory unless they intend to use them.  A raid into Syria is far differant than than shadowing an aircraft carrier(which I imagine they do), as it is from a SAC type thing where planes and bombs are in the air 24/7

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:23:31 PM   
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Hey, what was that story of them "Misplacing 6 nukes a few weeks ago?" You know. They crew that took them out of storage fucked up. The guard checking them out fucked up, the guys loading the nukes fucked up, the pilots sorta just missed it on their walk-around, etc...


Hmmm... You know, maybe it was a, "Can we steal and use a nuke without Congress finding out" exercise?



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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:25:01 PM   
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This is so fucking bogus words escape me!!!  I'll sum it up very quickly:
1)  no mushroom shaped cloud
2)  no EMP
3)  no thermal pulse
4)  no double flash signature
5)  no gamma or x-ray pulse
6)  no seismic disturbance

Simply put:  anytime a nuke is detonated things happen that are detected....by everyone....but especially by the US, Russia, China, the UK, and France. Even a small 1-2 kiloton nuke exhibits these characteristics.  Can't happen...didn't happen....end of story.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:31:48 PM   
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maybe, but don't you assume THEY (THEY being those who refer to themselves as "we" in your previous post)already have them, and it would be a meaningless futile thing, good for a cheap TV movie, kind of thought?  I mean I assume the CIA has thier own supply of nukes.  Honestly I have no idea who you think THEY are.  The reality is things go wrong, and sometimes even the 3rd safe guard gets messed up, and a plane flies cross country with a live one.  The crew at the recieving end freaks out.  In the 60s they accidentally dropped one in N Carolina right?  Trains have derailed with live nukes also.  Still that event has nothing do with arming a US plane for a covert raid into Syria.  Such a plane would not have a nuke on it for the heck of it.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 12:50:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: erintgurltramp

This is so fucking bogus words escape me!!!  I'll sum it up very quickly:
1)  no mushroom shaped cloud
2)  no EMP
3)  no thermal pulse
4)  no double flash signature
5)  no gamma or x-ray pulse
6)  no seismic disturbance

Simply put:  anytime a nuke is detonated things happen that are detected....by everyone....but especially by the US, Russia, China, the UK, and France. Even a small 1-2 kiloton nuke exhibits these characteristics.  Can't happen...didn't happen....end of story.

just to clear some things up. Mushroom clouds are strictly related to the size of the explosion not the source of the energy. A Fuel-Air Explosive as used by the US military will also produce a muchroom cloud as will any other sufficiently large conventional explosive detonated above ground.

EMP will not be detectable very far from a nuclear detonation unless it is one of the rumored EMP devices. No one has ever tested a device of this type and as far as unclassified nuclear physics goes there doesn't seem to be any reasonably effective way to generate large scale EMP effects that doesn't involve detonating a number of very large fusion devices at high altitude. A couple of tactical devices simply won't make detectable EMP outside the zone of total destruction.

Any big explosion will make a seismic disturbance if it occurs at or below ground level.

If you want to determine if an explosion was nuclear in origin you need to look for various isotopes that will be anomolously present at the site or downwind not looking for mechanical effects of any large explosion.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 1:38:44 PM   
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Just my guess but I would say even a low yield tactical nuclear detonation would be impossible to cover up or deny…so I would say the validity of the report of their use is bullshit…but again just a guess.



A lot of "evaporated" metal would make a good case for a fusion bomb.   Fusion bombs are designed to have various detonation patterns and are great for causing total melt downs and evaporation of metal and also instantly evaporating concrete into dust and the best part is they can have a radiation signature that can be as short as only 14 - 20 days.

Our antiqque b52 can carry any assortment of bombs, and can choose which ever one they want to drop on any given target.

We always have a bombers floating around loaded with live warheads, just because they have a lkive warhead is no reason to assume it is connected to a specific target.


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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 3:12:28 PM   
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If it's reported on an Al-Jazeera website it must be true. What a load of crappy crap crap.... 


You mean like...Fox News or CBS or ABC or CNN?

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 3:28:34 PM   
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If you want to determine if an explosion was nuclear in origin you need to look for various isotopes that will be anomolously present at the site or downwind not looking for mechanical effects of any large explosion.


It wouldn't be a good idea for your average "journalist" to just jump in a Toyota and waltz into a suspected nuclear zone to pick up some samples though, like some here seem to be suggesting.

The Syrians don't want it to be known what happened, and it doesn't look like anyone else is too eager to let the truth be known either. I don't know. I've seen pictures of the site, before and after:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/07/middle_east_enl_1193412299/html/1.stm

But was it the USAF that did it, with a tactical nuke? Who knows.

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 3:35:27 PM   
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A question for anyone that knows...... If its true, and my view is its b/s, would a plane being shot down have set off the nuclear device it was carrying  ?

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RE: USA used tactical Nukes on Syria? - 11/2/2007 3:56:24 PM   
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A question for anyone that knows...... If its true, and my view is its b/s, would a plane being shot down have set off the nuclear device it was carrying  ?


There are a lot of redundant safety systems built in to most any kind of a significant modern explosive device, and so it's highly unlikely if not impossible, but I'm not sure what your question has to do with the topic.

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