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AmHypnotic -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (1/3/2009 12:48:37 PM)

Sorry I have not checked into here for a while.  I changed my profile name, I am the artist formerly known as "YourHypnoMaster."  I got tired of the presumptive sounding name, though still a Dom, I'm not "your Dom" until I am, know what I mean?

Anyway, thank you for all of your insight MasterHypnotist and aravain.

CountrySong, I have used hypnosis to get information from someone who was nervous about answering questions, and thus would remain quiet.  I mean consciously, she wouldn't even speak, not wanting to lie and nervous about the truth, made me wonder on the phone if she disconnected more than once.  Finally, I brought her under to find out the underlying cause, and it was simply nervousness in not knowing my reaction.  We're talking about things like things she has fantasized about.  I told her both in trance and consciously that I have heard many, many thing that would likely make her cringe, and that she couldn't surprise me.  With the exception of a rape fantasy (not even her #1, but it is there), the rest of her fantasies she was very abrasive about telling me were very tame.

But if the subject is lying for what feels like a very good reason, like protecting herself, for example, hypnosis doesn't act as a truth serum.  One cannot assume that everything the subject says in hypnosis is truth, it's a sad fact, but they may feel that they have less reason to lie.

I think my next couple of steps with the sub I referred to here will be to get her to speak a little more dirty.  I mean she gets red as a tomato and extremely quiet when I ask her to say the word pussy for the sake of saying it privately with me.



twistedreality -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (4/28/2009 5:16:03 AM)

As it has been said in prior replies, the potential use of hypnosis is only limited by your imagination. As a long time user of hypnosis in bdsm, its greatest ability is to help overcome inhibitions and to increase pleasure, which causes one to seek more. I find, that causing things that shouldnt necessarily feel good to do so, has definately helped me push past my perceived limits. I would say the second most useful purpose of hypnosis is reinforcement of behaviours.
-Feel free to contact me for further information on my experiences.



Whenready -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (4/28/2009 5:51:11 AM)

Why not google "bdsm checklists" or the like? The lists you'll come up with should give you ample jumping off points for activities and derivatives which you could presumably incorporate hypnotism into.



Interesdom -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (4/28/2009 4:45:25 PM)

I had a sub who had been a single mother for a long time.  This had given her a habit of making decisions and getting things done her way that was very unhelpful to who she wanted to be and who I needed to be with.  It was a major difficulty.

Could hypnosis have helped?  Could I have learnt (could I learn) to do safe hypnosis to 'cure' something like this (by which I ask both is it a skill that anyone can learn and how long would it likely take me to learn)?



enslaveemma -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (4/28/2009 5:16:10 PM)

I have always wondered about being frozen/being unable to move. Could this been done in any position - eg. bent over, or mouth wide open and unable to close?

Even better would be to believe the Dom was massively stronger than yourself, so you could easily be held down.

What about feeling the slap of hand or stroke of a cane on your backside on hearing a certain word. Perfect for knowing you can be disciplined even in public!



AmHypnotic -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/6/2009 4:40:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Interesdom

I had a sub who had been a single mother for a long time.  This had given her a habit of making decisions and getting things done her way that was very unhelpful to who she wanted to be and who I needed to be with.  It was a major difficulty.

Could hypnosis have helped?  Could I have learnt (could I learn) to do safe hypnosis to 'cure' something like this (by which I ask both is it a skill that anyone can learn and how long would it likely take me to learn)?



Could hypnosis be learned by an average person?  Yes.
How long?  Differs from person to person.  Like there are geniuses that understand calculus in a single class, and people who would take an entire school year to understand things from the first day of that year, it depends on how you learn best, if the research you do caters to those learning methods you know best, and how much you pay attention to everything involved in your lessons, whether by another or on your own.  I researched hypnosis for 3 months straight before I even started in practice, and even now, a couple years later, I'm still learning and figuring out new things, and adding on to concepts I learned or figured out before.
Personally, I'd say hypnosis is easy enough to learn.  Only really take stock in things you read/hear from multiple sources so you know you're not just getting propaganda or rumors.

Now then, what you asked is possible, assuming that she would want the change.  However, I would be cautious with even an experienced hobbyist hypnotist going more towards therapy, as there is some specific training that should go toward therapeutic uses of hypnosis if you choose to go that route.  Leave hypnotherapy to the professionals (those that have a professional reputation, not just with a certificate saying so!)

There are some practices that hobbyist hypnotists, and even people with professional lives in hypnosis, do with their subs/slaves that sometimes concern me.  Like triggers to override a thought or a feeling, or suggestions of needing the hypnotist.  Things like that can go very much in a bad direction if you don't take special care.

I have no problem with using hypnosis to little by little, help to deepen a sub's submission with general suggestions toward training uses, and it's doable too.  I've even used hypnosis to simulate watching an arousing training/obedience video.

Be willing to take it slow, especially when you first start out, and think carefully both of what you suggest and how you phrase suggestions, and I feel you'll be fine.



slavekal -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/7/2009 4:42:55 AM)

I consider this whole scene to be very much related to hypnosis.  It is all about mind control and triggers.



Interesdom -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/8/2009 3:54:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AmHypnotic
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Now then, what you asked is possible, assuming that she would want the change.  However, I would be cautious with even an experienced hobbyist hypnotist going more towards therapy, as there is some specific training that should go toward therapeutic uses of hypnosis if you choose to go that route.  Leave hypnotherapy to the professionals (those that have a professional reputation, not just with a certificate saying so!)

There are some practices that hobbyist hypnotists, and even people with professional lives in hypnosis, do with their subs/slaves that sometimes concern me.  Like triggers to override a thought or a feeling, or suggestions of needing the hypnotist.  Things like that can go very much in a bad direction if you don't take special care.
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Thank you for the information and the warnings.  Some time ago, I was vaguely interested in hypnosis and was put off it on moral and practical grounds.  I am seeing that I may have been too hasty and that this is something I could add to my 'toolbox'.



subconscious1 -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/8/2009 4:35:26 PM)

Being a submissive hypnotic subject, i found this thread interesting and refreshing to read. AmHypnotic, You are very well versed in hypnosis and all of its facets. Kudos to You! And yes i was in Your chat room once, long ago, and You were disappointed to know i was collared. *smiles* Several online twits have attempted to cyber-hypnotize me to no avail. Grew tired quickly of their attempts. If Master were to WANT someone else to trance me, He would enlighten me to that. What Master and i have discovered: yes i am submissive, but only to Him.
Some highlights...He can look me in the eyes and make me cum at His command. Or He has triggered orgasms while apart, simply by implanting the suggestions. We've been together for quite some time. He can offer imagery/suggestions while in a fully conscious state. Example would be the time i am soaked with sweat and He eloquently described how i was cooling off and becoming more comfortable. In mere seconds, my skin was dry and cool to the touch and i was facing the hot summer sunshine at the time, feeling the sun itself cooling me off! Being frozen into a statue? Yes. He tickled my foot; i said i wasn't ticklish, He said 'yes you are' and omg it drove me nuts not being able to move!
What keeps getting repeated and i totally agree with: hypnosis is only limited by one's imagination. It's my belief that goes for both the Hypnotist and the subject. Am very appreciative of the safety issues Master has instilled in me. Amazingly, being a submissive hypno-slut has improved my sense of self respect and self worth. Pretty cool huh?
Only thing i would add....make sure you are fully trained in hypnosis before attempting it! Not all that expensive to get certified...my momma always taught me "if you're gonna do something, do it RIGHT"
Thanks for allowing me to babble on like this!
be well



GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/9/2009 9:13:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: toygabrielle


[/or just plain and simply highten their sense of smell around them. think how great (or bad) if just your normal sense of smell was intensified. would roses smell as sweet or better? ]





I really enjoy using SMELL as  NLP or hypno trigger in training my boys...
I am a trained essential oil massage therapist and I noticed that a special blend's smell I made for certain ppl would take them automatically to a space of relaxation  or healing when they came to see..even before I had worked on them.

As a result I started sending home blends with clients to SMELL to maintain* (linking olafactory to brain and body) the healing process by simply smelling  and recalling the massage time

I then began to use this on my boys...first with lavender..(aftercare..
calming and trust)..
then.......as I flogged for eg... with (peppermint) or maybe orange to see if there were dif reactions.... or memory and certain behavioirs illicited upon the aroma  premeating the air and on their skin...........YES! there was..

I then began to make blends that were their's to  be used  while I was away ..they were at work..and for things such as focus while training (rosemary)..
While this may not be hypno..it certainly has the effect of such...
by achieving an altered( suggestive) state through smell..
or bringing about a result by introducing the trigger smell

Suggestion for OP..
* start with 3 oils.. maybe lavender...sage..birch..(Common)
and use these( with a carrier oil like coconut) on/with your
sub CONNECTING it WITH certain responses..
eg) orgasm training( on command)...oil with the command(verbals)
.....pushing a limit...( bring out the orange or peppermint)as you push.command)
**Simple google info will give you an idea of what each oil is associated with ...

** IMP: use PURE oils..or other wise you have burned off crap filled with alcohol..that burns ppl and is cheap and used up right away..

GQ





MasterHypnotist -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/9/2009 2:16:10 PM)

GQ,

Wonderful post. Any sensory input can be an anchor/trigger. You're just smart in using the most persistent and subtle.

All the best,

MH



AmHypnotic -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/26/2009 6:21:11 PM)

I'd be concerned with using scented oils because those scents are imitating something else, and tend to do a damn good job.  If ya don't want your sub getting triggered randomly by natural scents of things, I'd make the trigger a mix of inputs (not just smell, but the touch as well, for example).

Something I've discovered recently, but somewhat had thought about before:
As we all know, while there are other limits to what you can do through hypnosis besides imagination (i.e. you will not make someone's boobs bigger, however, you can make them perceive their boobs to be bigger... or exist, whatever), the main one is your imagination.
Your own knowledge of how things work, and your own patterns, can limit you, as well.

How many women tend to find orgasm something that is difficult to reach (let's say by someone in your first sexual encounter)?
How many women feel that pleasure is an easy thing to be given or to give yourself?

Given those thoughts, the past several first timers, I had tried building up to orgasm, and it took longer than I intended.  Not their fault, and we would get to orgasm.  My most recent subject, however, first timer again, I gave her pleasure, and worded it as that "it was building and building" and that "that pleasure is about to explode inside of you" and "an explosion of pleasure."  First thought, you'd probably think of that as an orgasm, or ENOUGH to orgasm.  She orgasmed in a 3-count (3-2-1) on the first try with that sort of wording.

Always remember, in any situation, but especially hypnosis, that wording (and tonality) makes a BIG difference in how suggestions will be interpreted, the types of limits a person will naturally put on the suggestion's interpretation given their previous experiences, and if they'll follow the suggestion it in the first place (due to how it is interpreted, possibly).



Trekkie -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/27/2009 7:03:36 AM)

I've always had the idea of using hypnosis as a way of doing things in BDSM that aren't physically possible, or which aren't safe to do in reality. 

For example, I don't think I'm alone in wishing that chloroform worked the way it does in books and old movies:  a drug which, when inhaled, causes the victim to struggle, weaken, then collapse, unconscious, in a matter of a few seconds, then remain unconscious for several minutes, then to awaken, weak and groggy, but to regain full strength a few minutes later, with no lingering effects. 

In reality, chloroform and similar things not only aren't as fun to play with in BDSM, but are considerably dangerous. 

But I've always wondered how hard it would be for a hypnotist domme to "program" me so that when triggered, (I'm thinking of the trigger being something smelly and distinctive, but safe, like the smell of lemon juice),, I will react just like chloroform works in the movies. 

Voila!  A BDSM "knockout drug" that's effective, safe, and with no hangover.  (Because it's not real.) 

When the "drug" wears off, and I "wake up", then the restraints, and whatever she decides to do, will be perfectly real.  All the hypnosis did was give her the power to restrain me while "unconscious". 

I've also wondered about hypnosis being used to give a BDSM session "context".  Suppose maybe you want a session to begin with the helpless victim waking up, restrained, in a strange place, with no idea of how he got there.  Again, everything that actually happens in the session is completely real.  The only thing the hypnosis does is cause the "victim" to not remember that he volunteered for this. 



CuriousPuppy -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (5/29/2009 2:31:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekkie
The only thing the hypnosis does is cause the "victim" to not remember that he volunteered for this. 


The majority of what you mention is quite possible with hypnosis, but it doesn't really make them do something... a more accurate wording (at least in terms of what's being discussed here) would be that it's a way to convince a subject's subconscious to let you push buttons, pull strings, and rearrange the deck chairs for you. 

That's not to say that enough work and effort couldn't get someone to do something they wouldn't do, someone who wouldn't normally kiss you might be willing to if they thought you were someone else for example.  Think of it in terms of the subject being a balloon and hypnosis being a pin.  Typically you can't poke a balloon with a pin without the balloon exploding; but if you stick a bit of scotch tape to the balloon, you can build up a foundation that will let you poke it with the pin.  Everyone has points where the pin is too much for the tape though, push too hard and the subject will be fall back out of trance and probably unhappy with you.  The same goes for trigers, a given subject might have a trigger that makes them freeze in place when it's used... but using it when they are on the way to the bathroom when they have no interest in bathroom play or humiliation is quite possibly going to result in them flipping you off and continuing on their way.

The big part where you missed though, is that hypnosis can't make you forget and can't make you not remember.  That's especially true for anything traumatic they wouldn't want to forget.  It can make someone forget to remember, it can get them to not care enough to remember, it can get them to remember something else and not notice the frayed strings from the rewritten event, forgetting is easy and all manner of ways to forget are possible... but the memory is still there.  Even if they don't remember right away, they may remember in 6months, or a year, or 20 years, or never.

It's easy to forget things, most people don't remember the vast majority of their commute to and from work.  Sure they can string together various memories about past commutes to remember what stores and things were along the way to either side, but not what was there that morning.  Your brain knows the commute to and from work and it just takes a bit of a vacation. 

The importance of the memory depends on how easy it is to forget to remember.  Mucking with things like that isn't always a good idea anyways, especially with someone that doesn't know enough to be able to handle the situation if their mucking about goes wrong.  Stick with physical things with the occasional emotion, much safer and more fun that way.




AmHypnotic -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (7/21/2009 10:15:30 PM)

I personally don't have any sorta wardrobe beyond casual and business for myself, nothing kinky.  I had a sub go into my walkin closet and try on various outfits that weren't actually there, such as a maid outfit, for example.  Her clothes didn't actually change, but she knew they did.

After talking about this with a different sub, we together got a different idea: each outfit giving her that personality.  So a maid was more focused on cleaning things, a harem girl was more obedient, a stripper was more sexually open, etc.

This suggestion would likely work stronger if you had an actual wardrobe like that, rather than suggesting the clothes were there first and then suggesting the clothes had special effects, just having real ones and suggesting the effects.

That could go in many directions from the innocent to the really erotic.  Like cat ears being more feline-like and a bib being more younger girl for age play.



LPslittleclip -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (7/24/2009 1:18:03 AM)

my wife found hynography for women on audible.com it allows the listener to achieve a orgasm through hypnosis. every one i have had listen to it has loved it. it may be Incorporated into the hypnosis play as well. there is also one for men i haven't tried that one yet.



ranja -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (7/24/2009 2:02:07 AM)

I am very very curious... does this explosion of pleasure counting back from 3 work for men too?

I think it is brilliant if hypnotism is some aid for ladies who have difficulties reaching orgasm... but i have serious doubts as to the reality of orgasm on command without any other stimulation at all.
Like you said... you can not be absolutely sure someone 'under' is absolutely truthful... it seems to me they might just be very susceptible to comply...



Sunnyfey -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (7/24/2009 5:37:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LPslittleclip

my wife found hynography for women on audible.com it allows the listener to achieve a orgasm through hypnosis. every one i have had listen to it has loved it. it may be Incorporated into the hypnosis play as well. there is also one for men i haven't tried that one yet.


We totally need a link to the exact..audio file or whatever.....



AmHypnotic -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (7/25/2009 11:32:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ranja

I am very very curious... does this explosion of pleasure counting back from 3 work for men too?

I think it is brilliant if hypnotism is some aid for ladies who have difficulties reaching orgasm... but i have serious doubts as to the reality of orgasm on command without any other stimulation at all.
Like you said... you can not be absolutely sure someone 'under' is absolutely truthful... it seems to me they might just be very susceptible to comply...


Keep in mind that orgasm does NOT mean you made a mess all over the place, though I have seen videos of a woman squirting from an orgasm in hypnosis with very little touching, it is not always the case.  There isn't always cum from the orgasms done through hypnosis, but you can hardly doubt such an orgasm when they can barely control their bodies because the orgasm was just that intense.

You also have to think to yourself: let's say you were hypnotized, let's say you feel the intensity of the orgasm was real, let's say all that happened... would you care about the difference between "I was hypnotized" and "I just felt I had to comply" at that point?

A part of being hypnotized is being more open to suggestion, so I have a hard time with hearing "susceptible to comply" without thinking "Yes, she was more open to suggestion, wasn't that the point?"

I've had subjects tell me that there is a major difference in response to just commanding an orgasm randomly, and suggesting pleasure (still no touching, but there is a hallucination of feeling touch, they *know* they are feeling pleasure) of various kinds, for a little bit of time, ending in a command to orgasm.  There's also just commanding an orgasm randomly from a woman that hasn't orgasmed, even by her own hand/toy, in a long time.  Circumstances obviously change the intensity of the feelings involved.  Keep in mind that the mind is possibly the most sexual part of the body.  Stimulating the mind sexually is really needed for sexual satisfaction, whether that is done via physical touch, or via story telling, or another method.  Why else would erotic novels sell so well? lol

Orgasm in hypnosis can and will work with men, too, though I don't work with men since I'm straight and have a hard time doing something erotically with a gender I have near 0 attraction toward.  I personally wouldn't be willing to do erotic hypnosis with a man due to my comfort level, so I couldn't tell you the differences in what's needed or wanted for bringing a man to orgasm.



ranja -> RE: Interested in hypnosis with BDSM, ideas? (7/26/2009 9:09:04 AM)

Thank you for your reply Sir

As you will only hypnotise women because of your heterosexual nature.... would i be correct in assuming you are more likely to hypnotise women you are quite attracted to rather than the ones you are not? and more likely to hypnotise submissive women than Dommes?

Submissive women naturally like to please... if a handsome sexy man would like to hypnotise me i might very nicely like to go along with that... yes, if i read sexy books or do cyber i can get into that sex-mind-space... i also ride in my mind the orgasm of my partner... i am open to suggestion...

orgasm from a count 3 to 0 just reminds me of when Harry met Sally... with Meg Ryan doing her famous scene... and i have fooled men so too when it was important for them to make me cum... i faked... yes, it was still some sort of trip... their desire to have me cum so strong i would give them the 'goods' so to speak... but eventually it left me confused... as it was NOT real and not as thoroughly satisfying as a proper physical orgasm feels.

Of course i speak only for myself...
I am still interested in hearing from men who have been hypnotised into cumming on command just like that... i am still sceptical



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