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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 10:31:19 AM   
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I used to watch a show called Queer as Folks, and I thought that show was very popular.
The men on that show always called themselves names like: queer, etc.
Is it that big a deal?

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 10:32:54 AM   
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I think its pretty obvious your just out to get a reaction!

I don't care who you are, you knew that the word 'queer' was gonna get people talking. You could have said gay or homosexual but no you said queer.

I think your actually quite sad!

What you gonna come out with next? How do cripples get shagged?

Get a life!

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 10:36:00 AM   
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I think homosexuality's a bigger deal for men.  Just, around my age range, it seems a lot of females are bisexual, and this just isn't the way I've seen it to be in the male population.  Therefore, homosexuality and bisexuality are more commonplace and less awkward for a female.  That, and.. well, to be honest, most of the gay guys I've known act very differently from straight guys, while I couldn't tell a grave difference between a lesbian and a straight girl.

As a bi girl, you probably would identity by BDSM first, since your BDSM orrientation is likely to be more limitting to your partners than your bisexuality.  (Since, afterall, bisexuality actually makes you more open to partners.)

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Hasn't anyone ever seen Queer Eye for the Straight Guy?  (Or whatever it's called?)  "Queer" is a perferred term by many.   We actually had the student gay community here support a "Queer dance" or something like that, where everyone cross-dressed.  It was a big event.. they posted signs everywhere of this guy in drag with the dance time info.  I'd have to look up the exact name, but I think even that student community's name has "Queer" in it somewhere.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 10:51:05 AM   
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What you gonna come out with next? How do cripples get shagged?


I hear Stephen Hawkins pays prostitutes, I could be wrong. People tell me all kinds of lies.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 11:04:16 AM   
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Jumped around all the verbal kerfuffle to say that there is an old Brit saying that
<there's nowt so queer as folk.>
So maybe thats what Kittty meant. We are all a bit odd really ?

Also that reminds me, didn't militant Gay Priders used  to shout
<we're queer and we're here> etc etc
so maybe its like the N word. It depends who says it ?

"Gay" in a sexual context......I hate that I do !!! 

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 11:14:21 AM   
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What you gonna come out with next? How do cripples get shagged?

I hear Stephen Hawkins pays prostitutes, I could be wrong. People tell me all kinds of lies.

Not sure about that but he definitely likes exploring Black Holes and thats no lie.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 11:29:10 AM   
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Is it really that simple, though? To me, the context in which a word is used (who says it, to whom, and how) seems enormously important.

Someone might love being called "honey" by a spouse, for instance, but deeply resent a boss who used the same term. Or take the humorous labels CM puts under our screen names. In this context, I take being called "deranged" an ironic badge of honor. I might feel quite differently if I were thus described elsewhere.


That’s a fair point I can say queer in many different ways with different tones of voice: but mainly either in a derogatory way or a simple descriptive. I don’t know why she used the term but I wouldn’t be treating her fairly if I just assumed the worst of her without context.

I mentioned the n word in rap and it seems you are O.K. to use that if you are not white. This sort of creates discrimination because a white person may choose to use that word for the same reason a black person would but it will always be seen in a negative light. Why do we need token stereotypes to justify our beliefs? It’s a bit like when politicians talk about immigration they will use a spokesperson with an immigrant background so as not to appear racist.  


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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 11:41:03 AM   
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I also thought of the use of the "n" word.
I guess it depends on who is saying it.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 12:34:10 PM   
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Another thought regarding word usage. I've seen others get upset at words like dyke, queer, homo, fat, etc, you name it...  Personally, I just do my best to let negative words, or at least words that can be construed as negative, roll right off my back. They only have as much power over me as I allow them to.

If they are meant in a negative way, shame on me for allowing them to affect me. Shame on me for giving their words power.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:11:22 PM   
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Another thought regarding word usage. I've seen others get upset at words like dyke, queer, homo, fat, etc, you name it...  Personally, I just do my best to let negative words, or at least words that can be construed as negative, roll right off my back. They only have as much power over me as I allow them to.

If they are meant in a negative way, shame on me for allowing them to affect me. Shame on me for giving their words power.


thank you...i tried to say this in the dog and the n word thread.....words are words......while you cant help bleeding if someone cuts you with a knife, you can help responding when someone calls you a name.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:16:39 PM   
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Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will only psychologically scar me. No that don’t sound right. I have the right saying here somewhere, bare with me.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:19:04 PM   
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Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will only psychologically scar me. No that don’t sound right. I have the right saying here somewhere, bare with me.


no offense, but if names can psychologically scar you, you may have other issues that need dealing with

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:21:15 PM   
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What amuses me the most about our little "kittty", is how
she easily pushes so many people's buttons.
 
I am not laughing at her---> I am laughing at all the people that continue
to be upset over what she says.
 
"She" may not be politically correct, but then many here are not politically correct.
Don't let her push your buttons, please stop drinking the damn Koolaide.



The problem is she's purposefully not politically correct.  However, you are correct that she is seeking negative attention and we are giving it to her.

I'm not giving up koolaide though and that's all there is to it!!!!

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:27:17 PM   
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What amuses me the most about our little "kittty", is how
she easily pushes so many people's buttons.
 
I am not laughing at her---> I am laughing at all the people that continue
to be upset over what she says.
 
"She" may not be politically correct, but then many here are not politically correct.
Don't let her push your buttons, please stop drinking the damn Koolaide.



The problem is she's purposefully not politically correct.  However, you are correct that she is seeking negative attention and we are giving it to her.

I'm not giving up koolaide though and that's all there is to it!!!!


a bit of a hijack-but maybe someone can explain a saying the kids use at school....."youre all up in the koolaide and dont even know what flavor it is"

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:29:06 PM   
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Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will only psychologically scar me. No that don’t sound right. I have the right saying here somewhere, bare with me.


no offense, but if names can psychologically scar you, you may have other issues that need dealing with


There is no need to say no offense if you didn't mean any is there?

As for names scaring me I’ve been called just about everything that fits my description that I don’t like and a few things that don’t fit my description at all. My soul would be one gigantic scar of scariness. I don’t let names get to me but then I’ve not hanged myself after being bullied by name calling either so it obviously effects some people that have. Unless you’re thinking that those school pupils that hanged themselves after being only verbally bullied already had ‘issues’. I love that word issues it’s so US.


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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:33:13 PM   
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Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will only psychologically scar me. No that don’t sound right. I have the right saying here somewhere, bare with me.


no offense, but if names can psychologically scar you, you may have other issues that need dealing with


There is no need to say no offense if you didn't mean any is there?

As for names scaring me I’ve been called just about everything that fits my description that I don’t like and a few things that don’t fit my description at all. My soul would be one gigantic scare of scariness. I don’t let names get to me but then I’ve not hanged myself after being bullied by name calling either so it obviously effects some people that have. Unless you’re thinking that those school pupils that hanged themselves after being only verbally bullied already had ‘issues’. I love that word issues it’s so US.



i think, if you research ones that hanged them self from name calling, they , in fact, had many other issues that should have been dealt with......

and im 100% American, so i reckon thats why i use completely US terms huh?

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:37:35 PM   
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No comment other than to say issues are like baggage; so hard to define and so totally meaningless to say. If you've already done the research then help me out by giving me the links that concluded they all had 'issues'.
 
Thanks.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 2:47:44 PM   
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I used to watch a show called Queer as Folks, and I thought that show was very popular.
The men on that show always called themselves names like: queer, etc.
Is it that big a deal?


Honestly the word Queer is being reclaimed... I personaly dont like using it with people outside of the GLBT community. It is akin to the N word. It was used in hateful contexts for so long.. and while a good many of us got our heads bashed in.. so yeah some of us are touchy about it.. even some enlightened non GLBT people reconize it is one of those words you really dont use. Now hanging with my mates in a gay bar.. sucking down drinks Instead of calling my ex girlfriend "Megan" I might say.. and I have in the past said " ya big ol dyke, get your ass over here!"
Would that be acceptable for me to do it in Wal-mart no. Would it be acceptable for anyone else to do it who didnt have a really personal relationship with her? Hells no. Just like I would not walk up to a rapper and say "Yo whats up my N" They would think I was out of step.. and rightfuly wanna kick my ass.  I think Miss Kittty could have done a hell of a better job at posing her question. Some people want answers.. some like to stir the shit pot.

Here is the diff. of Queer:
The word queer has traditionally meant "strange" or "unusual," but its use in reference to LGBT (gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, intersex, asexual, etc.) communities as well as those perceived to be members of those communities has replaced the traditional definition and application. Its usage is considered controversial and underwent substantial changes over the course of the 20th century with some LGBT re-claiming the term as a means of self-empowerment. The term is still considered by some to be offensive and derisive, and by others as a re-appropriated term used to describe a sexual orientation and/or gender identity or gender expression that does not conform to heteronormative society.
Subsequently, for most of the 20th century, 'queer' was frequently used as a derogatory term for effeminate and/or gay males, and others exhibiting untraditional gender behavior.

Even some Straight people can be concidered Queer.

In contemporary usage, some use queer as an inclusive, unifying sociopolitical umbrella term for people who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, transsexual, intersexual, genderqueer, or of any other non-heterosexual sexuality, sexual anatomy, or gender identity. It can also include asexual and autosexual people, as well as gender normative heterosexuals whose sexual orientations or activities place them outside the heterosexual-defined mainstream (e.g. BDSM practitioners, or polyamorous persons). Queer in this sense (depending on how broadly it is defined) is commonly used as a synonym for such terms as LGBT.
Because of the context in which it was reclaimed, queer has sociopolitical connotations, and is often preferred by those who are activists, by those who strongly reject traditional gender identities, by those who reject distinct sexual identities such as gay, lesbian, bisexual and straight, and by those who see themselves as oppressed by the heteronormativity of the larger culture. In this usage it retains the historical connotation of "outside the bounds of normal society" and can be construed as "breaking the rules for sex and gender." It can be preferred because of its ambiguity, which allows "queer" identifying people to avoid the sometimes strict boundaries that surround other labels. In this context, "queer" is not a synonym for LGBT as it creates a space for "queer" heterosexuals as well as "non-queer" (straight-acting, conformist) homosexuals.
For some queer-identified people, part of the point of the term 'queer' is that it simultaneously builds up and tears down boundaries of identity. For instance, among genderqueer people, who do not solidly identify with one particular gender, once solid gender roles have been torn down, it becomes difficult to situate sexual identity. For some people, the non-specificity of the term is liberating. Queerness becomes a way to simultaneously make a political move against heteronormativity while simultaneously refusing to engage in traditional essentialist identity politics.
Several television shows, including Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, the cartoon Queer Duck and the British and American versions of Queer as Folk, have also used the term in their titles to reinforce their positive self-identification message. This commonplace usage has, especially in the American colloquial culture, has recently led to the more hip and iconic abbreviation "Q".
The term is sometimes capitalized when referring to an identity or community, rather than merely a sexual fact (cf. the capitalized use of Deaf).
Queers Without Borders, a network of queer activists that opposes border regimes while supporting those people oppressed by them.
Queer Mutiny North, a D-I-Y non-hierarchical collective that aims to create politically motivated queer alternatives to the commercial and non-representative gay scene in the north of England.
Cardiff Queer Mutiny, A not-for-profit collective inspired by queer activism/philosophy, DIY punk ethics, creativity, and political activist movements. (These groups put on much more regular activity but are smaller in size.)

So with all of this back ground info and resources posted here....
 
How many of the folks here.. GLBT or Straight associate themselves as being part of the "Queer community or movement"

Personaly I am an activist..  got my HRC bumper sticker on my ride.. do house parties for them.. and did a launch party for LOGO when they came out ( pun intended) when I was still a Media Whore. I even did speeches for the Florida Gay Caucus.  However I have never identified myself as a Queer.. *shrugs*

I guess if one needs labels *sighs*

I am an equal opertunistic pansexual, poly, Domme who is both a Saddist and a Masocist. Artist, mother, costumer, swordswoman, & Total hand slut on the side... ( Love being touched and massages.. rub me.. and I turn to mush. ) ex Media Whore looking for a new way to make a living. Sick of working for The Man... but cant get out from under his yoke because of the benis.

What about you guyz?

Gwyn

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 3:01:08 PM   
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sorry Gwyn - I'll admit to being weird, strange, whacky, bizarre, eccentric and even insane; but dammit - not queer!

Because, the strangest thing about me probably, is how terribly normal I actually am.

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RE: if you are queer.. - 11/4/2007 3:07:26 PM   
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sorry Gwyn - I'll admit to being weird, strange, whacky, bizarre, eccentric and even insane; but dammit - not queer!

Because, the strangest thing about me probably, is how terribly normal I actually am.

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I'm a freak all week... not just playing one on the weekends as the saying goes... I'm the freakest of all my friends... they tease me. But I am still not Queer.
Some parts of me are strangely normal.. Soccer mom, PTA, baking cookes, going to church.. and helping out in the community normal. But I love both sides.. and see no reason to seperate them. Our church knows I am the head of our house.. and the woman who joins me there is not my sister *chuckles* but my partner. I wouldnt live my life any other way.


Gwyn

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