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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 12:54:34 PM   
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Ask questions, questions and more questions to people you think you might be interested in. Ask the same question worded differently to see if you get the same answer. Get creative in the questions you ask. Asking if the person has an adversion to paying food tax  as people do that in Missouri. Sounds funny but its an ice breaker. I've been on this site for over two years under this nick and another four before that under my old nick...and they people can be very unique to say the least!

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 2:28:59 PM   
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Being a submissive on this site, i can say the fakes are about 100,000 to 1.  At least from my own opinions judging from others' profiles.  I've only met two people off of collarme as a whole.  Both of which were very real people.  Currently one of which is my Dominant.  So far it's all been good as far as those i have met.  But it's all to be taken with a grain of salt as with any other site, be it a vanilla dating site or this site.  I guess you just have to be cynical to an extent.  I know i sure am.  It is the internet after all.  You never know who you may be chatting with.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 2:45:13 PM   
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When people complain about "fakes", I wonder how *real* they are.  Why do they have such issues?  Do they feel guilty?  Are they indulging in some self-loathing?

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 2:45:22 PM   
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My biggest red flag is when a sub starts demanding I webcam them almost immediately after an email in order to ascertain my gender and age. In my experience this isn't to verify anything, it's topping from the bottom in order to force a webcam scene. Others on the boards have discussed this phenomenon of subby desperation and frankly I intensely disliked being pushed into anything, especially by an online stranger.

And yes, I have met people from CM and have had some lovely experiences. I am who I am and they were who they claimed to be. So, maybe a lunch date after a few weeks of emails is the way to go.

Be well and Blessings,

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 3:13:47 PM   
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You can't possibly be trying to say that those who have encountered "fakes" have a serious problem with their own life choices.   I guess some could call them "liars" instead of "fakes".... but anyone who professes to want a lifestyle identical to what I want.... talks for months online and on the phone and goes on and on about how much they want to meet real time, and then... as soon as it is suggested... they don't discuss any concerns, they just disappear, doesn't come across as being very honest or genuine.  Usually they change their screen names, refuse to answer their phone, and move on to the next online conquest.  If you don't want to think of them as "fake" then so be it.  I won't put a lable on them other than to say they are extremely annoying.  I don't waste my time with long online email and chatting sessions anymore.  Come and meet me.  If you are being honest with me about what you seek, we will sit down and talk.  If not, be gone.

btw... interesting screen name, "KayLied"... There must be a story about that choice.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 3:32:14 PM   
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quote:

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You can't possibly be trying to say that those who have encountered "fakes" have a serious problem with their own life choices.   I guess some could call them "liars" instead of "fakes".... but anyone who professes to want a lifestyle identical to what I want.... talks for months online and on the phone and goes on and on about how much they want to meet real time, and then... as soon as it is suggested... they don't discuss any concerns, they just disappear, doesn't come across as being very honest or genuine.  Usually they change their screen names, refuse to answer their phone, and move on to the next online conquest.  If you don't want to think of them as "fake" then so be it.  I won't put a lable on them other than to say they are extremely annoying.  I don't waste my time with long online email and chatting sessions anymore.  Come and meet me.  If you are being honest with me about what you seek, we will sit down and talk.  If not, be gone.

btw... interesting screen name, "KayLied"... There must be a story about that choice.


i think anyone who invests them selves in someone they have not touched and looked in to the eyes of as they spoke is setting them self up for failure, and is making a bad choice.

personally, i could never give emotion to a font or a voice on the phone......get interested and wanting to meet? yes.  give them enough of me til it hurt when they went poof? no way.  for me, its not real til, well, its real.

and i know you can get screwed by folks you know, or think you know.....but the odds are far less, imho, if you listen to your gut and listen and watch them as they speak and pay attention to their actions.


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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 3:36:30 PM   
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SteelyDan song. ...she mentioned it in another thread.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 3:39:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: forg0ttenclone

Being a submissive on this site, i can say the fakes are about 100,000 to 1.  At least from my own opinions judging from others' profiles.  I've only met two people off of collarme as a whole.  Both of which were very real people.  Currently one of which is my Dominant.  So far it's all been good as far as those i have met.  But it's all to be taken with a grain of salt as with any other site, be it a vanilla dating site or this site.  I guess you just have to be cynical to an extent.  I know i sure am.  It is the internet after all.  You never know who you may be chatting with.


a great majority of the people i know offline, because crazy as it sounds, i go out in to the big scary local BDSM community, have CM profiles...going through the people that have been online in the past 24 hours or so and live in my city, i know 20 of them in real life...and i can think of another 10 or 15 off the top of my head both local and national, and i am sure there are more that i am not sure if they have a CM profile or not...

would any of them meet just anyone off the internet? hell no, they have a screening process...does that, at times, get them labled as fakes? i'm sure it does, i'm sure that my screening process gets me labled as a fake...oh well...i'm still alive...ask LA...i've met her...and i'm pretty sure she's not into hugging dead people or robots....

to the OP...sorry for the rant to that other reply....this is a great site...there are a lot of great people on this site...it takes time to find the one for you, but anything worth it is worth waiting for, right? my best advice...go with your gut...if it doesn't feel right, it's probably not right...other than that, only time will tell...don't ignore the red flags that pop up, and we can't define what is a red flag for you, only you can do that...

good luck
chelle


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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 3:55:48 PM   
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quote:

If you don't want to think of them as "fake" then so be it. I won't put a lable on them other than to say they are extremely annoying.


I would definitely go with "extremely annoying" or confused.  I'm not sure they are fake, although they may be a "flake".  People poof on vanilla dating sites too.  If you are going to attempt dating on-line you need to do it with the realization that on-line is a big playground and there are people in their parent's basement playing, there are people playing on-line because they are bored with their spouse (as soon as the spouse is in the vicinity, they poof), there are people who want to be part of the lifestyle, but they are afraid because all they know is fantasy.  I just accept these things as part of the way it is.  It really doesn't bother me that much.

KatyLied is a Steely Dan album.  It's a lyrical reference to a song on that album, Dr. Wu.


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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 4:09:33 PM   
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OH CRAP.  You mean the very very nice lady from Nigeria (self-proclaimed domme and straight) who sent me this one line message as a first contact was not real???:

CAN I BE UR MISTRESS AND I HOPE U CAN BE MY SLAVE ?
 
And then when I sent a brief but polite "no thank you" in response, I received this:

u are welcome i hoipe i can be ur slave ?

Awww cmon peeps, tell me it isn't so.  I sooo had my hopes up.

Sharon


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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 4:18:17 PM   
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I  deal with a lot of posers whether they be men or women.  I personally like to chat via the telephone; I am more hands on and would like to meet in person sooner than later.  You sometimes have to listen to your inner voice and be aware of the RED FLAGS we tend to ignore because the WHAT IF may happen; then we get so disappointed in ourselves and are blaming the next potential because we ignored the red flags from the last.
 
Take your time, browse and enjoy the journey but if you smell the BS then RUN the other way.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 4:31:46 PM   
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i have encountered fakes real time and online. does not matter. I guess the best thing is just judge them by what they do not what they say. If you invest time and money into a relationship look at it like a business. You time have value use it wisely and spend it wisely

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 5:18:01 PM   
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Unfortunately there is no sure fire way to weed them out. For starters though I generally do not respond to anyone with less than a couple of well written paragraphs as a profile. These are often the gamers who get their kicks out of talking to you but have no intention of meeting.  They set up new profiles as quickly as possible and don't want to waste time and energy on writing a profile. Also, I will generally not respond to those whose profile is primarily a shopping list of kink. These tend to be do-me types or those just looking to get laid or some wank fodder. I also have a list of guidelines I seek, age range, location, marital status etc.... If an email arrives that is obviously outside of those parameters it goes right to the trash most of the time.

It's a start, but you'll still end up with game players. It just comes with the territory.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 5:42:03 PM   
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My whole profile is a big filter for the kind of people I would rather not meet.

Most who mail me do it from reading my forum posts-which is what I intended.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 6:13:19 PM   
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quote:

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My whole profile is a big filter for the kind of people I would rather not meet.

Most who mail me do it from reading my forum posts-which is what I intended.


I think almost anyone can appreciate a well written and thought out profile so that what you Are looking for is perfectly clear to A/all who are reading and watching from the sidelines wishing to contact that person they've been observing.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 8:27:01 PM   
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I guess what I want is the benefit of your experience using this type of site.  Should I commit a lot of time to the message boards and chat rooms in order to get to know people?  Or can I stick with email and do equally well?  Are there any questions you like to ask that help you weed out the phonies?  Have you met anyone from CM and have those experiences been primarily positive or negative? 
 
That sort of thing.

Hmmm... advice, alright.

Take your time.  Be clear about who you are, what you expect and what you offer.  Despite the fact that online you'll run into all sorts... an alarming percentage of which will be less than what they claim (or entirely anything except what they claim!), I don't recommend being cynical.  Take everything with a grain of salt, ask questions, consider things, but don't stop being friendly, polite, and someone people want to be around.  The reason is this... you can't be sure to whom you are talking... that person you think is too good to be true... sometimes turns out to be exactly as advertised, and the one you think for sure is on the level turns out to be nothing but a sham... anyone can be fooled online because its an easy place to do it.  For me personally, they aren't real until they show up in person, until then they are just someone I know online.  There are plenty of people I know online whom I've never met who I enjoy cooresponding with, talking on the phone with, etc... but somewhere in the back of my mind theres a part of me that still reserves an ounce of skepticism... until I've actually met them in person.  That's why I don't offer collars online, don't commit to relationships online, and even hold back somewhat emotionally.  I've met a lot of people online.  I could tell you stories about the gal with the smokin hot pic who turned out to really be the dream girl in the pics.  I could tell you about the gal with the smokin hot pic who turned out to be a 32 year old bored house wife with issues... and then how I later met the gal to whom the "borrowed" pics actually belonged... its a small world sometimes.  You'll meet an amazing array of people online, and that's both a good and a bad thing.  You'll encounter people from various walks of life you'd probably have never met otherwise, and sometimes that comes with some unusual opportunities.  You'll also meet some "unusual" people who will annoy you, though sometimes they're entertaining too.

As for where to focus your efforts, I'd suggest you try the various options and see what "fits" you best.  Some people have great success with the chat rooms.  Others do better with the message boards or email and profiles.  And some use all three.  My personal experience with each is that chat rooms are great if you are a good conversationalist, but they're also time consuming.  You will find that most chat rooms have a core group of "regulars" and then others who drift in and out.  Chat rooms also have their own politics which can get complicated, be careful who you trust as some won't hesitate to backstab or attempt to sabotage a budding relationship.  Message boards are good places to share your views, opinions and philosophy... they're more "intellectual" in style than the chat rooms (which tend to have less serious discussion and more casual banter).  Message boards are good places to showcase your writing skills and knowledge.  Humor can be found on message boards as well and some make it their calling card, not that I would name names .oO(Ron)  Profiles aren't interactive in the way that forums and chatrooms are... its a good place to make statements about yourself, share pertinent facts and interesting trivia about yourself.  The journal space extends this even further.  When writing too submissives to make first contact, you probably shouldn't expect more than a 1 in 10 to 1 in 5 reply ratio... most submissives (especially female submissives from 18-30) seem to be overwhelmed with email.  Keep that in mind when you write to them.  As a rule I try not to make my first emails too long or too short... about 3-5 paragraphs seems about right.  Keep things too the point, polite, friendly and interesting without "chasing".  I seem to get the best responses to emails where I present myself as I am, take it or leave it, while making clear what I expect and some of what I offer (just hit the highlights), the submissive can then make up their mind if they're interested without feeling intruded on or "threatened".  I also try to make each email as personal as I can, include some details from their profile so that they know I actually read their profile (so many do not its such that anyone who clearly has tends to stand out on that alone).

And yes I have met some folks through CM.  One of them is laying on the bed next to me as I write this.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/4/2007 10:31:32 PM   
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As a sailor, I've been dealing with an interesting phenomena.

I spend long periods out at sea, with intervals online.  When I *am* on, I leave Collarme active on my screen while I do other things.  So for a day to a week, I'm pretty much at the top of the list for anybody that has their search filters set for "Male, Dominant, Florida" sorted for "Last active".

And my oh my do I get some mail.  Of course, the attractive, local (or relocatable), age-appropriate, and TPE set is a fairly small group, so I've only gotten 2 unsolicited emails it the two months I've been here that I've responded to with intent to consider.  But I've gotten a page or two of mail for every 1-2 days I'm active.

When I'm inactive?  nothing.  Not a peep.  And if I'm extremely active for more than a week, then it peters off until a new crop of faces shows up.

So keep your profile active (but not too much) is the sum of my experience.

Posting on the forums helps with the kinkier crowd, it seems, but truly submissive subs I've not been getting too much from.  A few.  Kajiras seem to be more forum-oriented, but the non-Gor slaves are skipping this side or are already taken.  Of course, that could just be my personal situation; but I do seem to get quite a few Dommes saying hello from here.  So if you're a sub, posting on the forums is good medicine from what I've seen.

Or if you just like forums.  I've been BBS'ing since I was a wee geekling,  yet there's always a new twist or variation to the concept of putting paragraphs on other people's computer screens.  Good times.  Anyway.

Chat rooms are better for finding subs, but... it's a skill, and a righteous pain in the ass to deal with them, IMHO.  It's more like fishing than hunting, and I am a hunter, not a fisherman (despite being a sailor.    But you may like 'em.  If you do, there's fish in there.

Regards.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/5/2007 8:49:12 AM   
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SeeksOnlyOne...

That is exactly my point.... and why I said:

I don't waste my time with long online email and chatting sessions anymore.  Come and meet me.  If you are being honest with me about what you seek, we will sit down and talk.  If not, be gone.

But, I was one who got swept up into the idea that I could connect online with someone and build a relationship from there.  I know it has worked for some.... but, it certainly hasn't for me. 

I have built my best relationships with people I have met in person at BDSM events and clubs, or through lifestyle friends.

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/5/2007 9:02:44 AM   
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There is no such thing as a fake-deluded perhaps, but everyone who can type at a keyboard is a person.

Fake usually means "doesn't want me."

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RE: Making the Most of CM - 11/5/2007 9:15:09 AM   
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I have been in various chat rooms for years and have never given out my home or cell phone number. I have several cell phones in my desk drawer that my Domme and sub friends have given to me so I will talk to them. I have a mic on my computers. I would rather talk than try to type that fast. A lot of people I talk with will not talk on a mic. I dont question why. As long as we are communicating I dont care how we do it.  

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