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Goddess20 -> I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 10:27:19 AM)
I'm getting a bit bored in life, so I've been looking for a new, exciting job! So I'm looking on the net, exploring, then I thought THE ARMY! Had a look at all the army sections, RAF (don't like flying), the Royal Navy (don't like boats), the TA (looks boring), then I stumble on The Royal Marines! I read through their website for 2 HOURS! And I wasn't put off, infact I was more interested than ever. Then I thought back to films I had seen, Jarhead, We Were Soldiers etc, I LOVED THEM! It all seems so exciting! I always thought that I'd make a great Sniper! So I get to the FAQ section, go to the 'Can woman join The Royal Marines?' and to my horror................ IT SAID NO! What do you mean NO!? I thought. Apparently women can't fight on the frontline for some reason or other! SHOCKING!!! In this day and age! I couldn't believe it! BUT..................This is not what offended me the most, OH NO! It then goes on to say Women can't join the marines BUT they can join the Marines music bragade! In other words THE BAND! Kick a girl when shes down or what!? I'm fuming, I was so looking forwad to being a Sniper! [:@] My problem is this, 50-60 years ago I could understand this rule. 50-60 years ago it was thought that woman were weak and couldn't kill and were not as strong as man. That was 50-60 years ago! Now that has all been proven wrong! Now we know that woman can do anything a man can do, just as good if not better! Now before you get me wrong, I'm not some butch, furry arm-pitted feminist, far from it! I wouldn't burn a bra, I like them too much. BUT I know that there is no differenence between the strength (physically and mentally), interlect or caperbilities in men and women. It's just an old rule thats never been changed and as long as there's a big, butch bloke in charge it never will. If a woman can run the county, why can't she defend it in the same way a man would?

Owner59 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 10:36:50 AM)
Go RAF. Few actually do the flying.You would be in some sort of support roll. The Marines are an elite force,and not all see front-line action.But again,many do a supporting roll.Usually,there are one or two people in the rear area,for every soldier in action. Boring yes,but someone has to fill those spots. Even the band.

Goddess20 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 10:41:51 AM)
I know but I wanna be in the thick of it, in the action! I want something really exciting! I'll just go with my second choice, A FIREFIGHTER! Don't do anything by halves me, lol.

FangsNfeet -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 10:41:59 AM)
Male instinct 101: Protect women and children. I don't have a problem with a woman picking up a gun and killing the enemy. However, none to most of us never want to see a woman become a POW where she is raped and tortured. Having women on the front lines is not about inferiority and the belief that you can't handle it. Instead, it's us men who admit that we can't handle seeing you get hurt. We also admit that having women around can cloud our judgement and emotions. By watching you be tortured, we would be more willing to give out the secret or meet the enimies demands to save you. Us men might also be a little jealous. How many men get million dollar book deals for being a POW for a few days?

Goddess20 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:00:44 AM)
I do understand that but if you saw a bloke being tortured (even raped) and you'd been side by side with this bloke for months on end and you'd tained with him, he's now like your family, your telling me you wouldn't feel the same? NO! Why? because you've been trained so I'm sure the taining covers women too!

lazarus1983 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:16:54 AM)
There are many reasons why women aren't in combat roles, a lot are based on gender roles, what society you're from, etc. etc. In the United States, standards are lower for women in the armed forces. They're only allowed in jobs that won't face combat. Of course, that whole idea backfired in places like Iraq, where there is no real front line. In situations like that, the shoddy training handed down to non-combat jobs can really be seen. Of course, I can't speak for the reasoning behind the UK's military, I can only speak from the point of view of the US Army. But mainly I'd say it's gender roles and the fact that many many women wouldn't be able to make the grueling mental and physical breakdowns. Hell, I know a lot of guys that couldn't handle it and went AWOL. Now I know I'll get a ton of flack for saying that. Mostly from people that aren't in the military, and/or don't understand it. I'd like to clarify that I think that if women want to try out for the infantry, that they should at least be given the chance. But the Army shouldn't lower its standards or change how the drill sergeants treat them. It should be equal training all across the board.

HaveRopeWillBind -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:17:05 AM)
Emigrate to the US. Women are quite welcome in the Marine Corps here.

Honsoku -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:17:10 AM)
Actually we are saying that we would feel differently. Though this difference is mostly cultural conditioning. Do you feel the same way about your mother as your father? Ask any guy (who has them) if he feels the same way about any female relative as he does any male relative (ie, brothers vs. sisters). Dollars to dinars says that he feels more protective of his female relatives than his male ones. There has always been extreme resistance towards having women as frontline troops for that very reason (along with the fact that killing off the men means more women for the survivors and the people making those decisions aren't on the front lines themselves [;)]).

Goddess20 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:28:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 Hell, I know a lot of guys that couldn't handle it and went AWOL. But the Army shouldn't lower its standards or change how the drill sergeants treat them. It should be equal training all across the board. I am in no way saying that any part of the armed forces should lower there standards but as you said there yourself, men go mad and go AWOL too. Its not a matter of sex, its the person! So they should let us have a go! They've never had any woman be in the Royal Marines so how do they know if they can't handle it if a womans never even gone through the training? You can't just say, 'you can't do it!' If I've never been given the chance to prove or disprove myself. You can't prejudge someone because of whats between there legs. It doesnt make sense. And it's been proven women are mentally stronger than men anyway!

Level -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:30:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 But the Army shouldn't lower its standards or change how the drill sergeants treat them. It should be equal training all across the board. Exactly.

Goddess20 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:41:22 AM)
I wouldn't want to be treated any differently. I want to join seeing and hearing the testiments of men, so Ive seen what they do to them and thats what I want! I wanna be pushed, I wanna to call me fat and lazy and push me to my limit and see how I react! As long as they didn't grab my croutch or my tits Id be fine, Id be happy! I want that whole screaming in my face, telling me how crap I am, being throw over wall, climbing up ropes, thighs burning after running miles upon miles upon miles, bruised, battered and aching! I wanna be one of the Elite! I want that state of mind!

lazarus1983 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:41:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Goddess20 quote: ORIGINAL: lazarus1983 Hell, I know a lot of guys that couldn't handle it and went AWOL. But the Army shouldn't lower its standards or change how the drill sergeants treat them. It should be equal training all across the board. I am in no way saying that any part of the armed forces should lower there standards but as you said there yourself, men go mad and go AWOL too. Its not a matter of sex, its the person! So they should let us have a go! They've never had any woman be in the Royal Marines so how do they know if they can't handle it if a womans never even gone through the training? You can't just say, 'you can't do it!' If I've never been given the chance to prove or disprove myself. You can't prejudge someone because of whats between there legs. It doesnt make sense. And it's been proven women are mentally stronger than men anyway! Actually a few years ago I watched a show about the Royal Marines on the History Channel, and how they actually let a few women in to try out. The training officers (whatever they're called in the UK), were told to tone down how they talked/acted. All the female tryouts failed. However, the different levels of training in the Army arose because the majority (majority, not ALL!) women were unable to meet the standards of their male counterpart. So the Army had to lower its standards so that women could make it through, or be labeled discriminatory or some such shit. And thank you for not immediately jumping up and labeling me and my opinions some neanderthal backwoods male pig point of view. You'd be surprised how often that happens when I try to debate the military with people who've never been in/don't understand.

Goddess20 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:50:07 AM)
You didn't say anything offensive so I wouldn't. If you would have put it as 'Your a woman therefore you are shit!' then maybe I would have replied differently lol. I understand that a lot of women would fail and thats probably because they were trained at the same pace as men I personally think women would need to be trated more harshly, made to run further etc, etc. As on the physical side we would need more. But marines should NEVER lower the standards for women. Let women apply with the same condictions as men and just don't let them in if they're not good enough. If they are then great, they've got a great recruit anyway that meets their needs.

lazarus1983 -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 11:54:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Goddess20 You didn't say anything offensive so I wouldn't. If you would have put it as 'Your a woman therefore you are shit!' then maybe I would have replied differently lol. I understand that a lot of women would fail and thats probably because they were trained at the same pace as men I personally think women would need to be trated more harshly, made to run further etc, etc. As on the physical side we would need more. But marines should NEVER lower the standards for women. Let women apply with the same condictions as men and just don't let them in if they're not good enough. If they are then great, they've got a great recruit anyway that meets their needs. Excellent point of view, and the 100% truth. You know, there are non-combat jobs that still put you in the action. Like I said before, in a war such as Iraq, there are no specific front lines. I know many of my friends that are still in the armed forces, they've seen combat. And the US Navy, there are jobs where you don't have to be out on a ship or sub. You might want to look into that in the Royal Navy. Here's your first rule as a soldier: don't give up. Adapt and overcome!

Level -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 12:01:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Goddess20 I wouldn't want to be treated any differently. I want to join seeing and hearing the testiments of men, so Ive seen what they do to them and thats what I want! I wanna be pushed, I wanna to call me fat and lazy and push me to my limit and see how I react! As long as they didn't grab my croutch or my tits Id be fine, Id be happy! I want that whole screaming in my face, telling me how crap I am, being throw over wall, climbing up ropes, thighs burning after running miles upon miles upon miles, bruised, battered and aching! I wanna be one of the Elite! I want that state of mind! I can help with the bruised, battered, and aching part..... [:D] Seriously, I personally am bothered by the idea of women in combat, but just because I'm bothered by it doesn't mean it should not be allowed. Unfortunately, the Gloria Allred's of the world don't care about standards, as much as they do quotas.

Mellissande -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 12:01:28 PM)
You should look up the movie G.I. Jane... very good movie and covers most if not all of the points you've made here

Level -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 12:02:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mellissande You should look up the movie G.I. Jane... very good movie and covers most if not all of the points you've made here [:'(] Hollywood at it's worst.

Mellissande -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 12:03:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level quote: ORIGINAL: Mellissande You should look up the movie G.I. Jane... very good movie and covers most if not all of the points you've made here [:'(] Hollywood at it's worst. I am very sorry that you feel that way. The movie was inspirational to me...

YourhandMyAss -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 12:05:25 PM)
My brother's in the army he's been to afganistan and seen buddies murdered blown up, His vehical was blown up by a IED, the driver killed. He tore his shoulder and his knee in his duties to the army and had to have surgury to repair it. He won't talk about the things he saw, they're to graphic and sick and he don't want those images in his head, so he and sometimes others who have those images in their head repress them. No offense but you come across like a little kid, who thinks battle is all fun and games. Would you be so jolly and gung hoe about it after seeing friends and platoon memembers blown to bits right before your eyes, or had to save someone who's half blown to bits? How about if you're the one very nearly blown to bits, or being sniped at. War and battle and seeing the "front lines" is NOT fun and games. It's horrific and an ordeal. quote: ORIGINAL: Goddess20 I know but I wanna be in the thick of it, in the action! I want something really exciting! I'll just go with my second choice, A FIREFIGHTER! Don't do anything by halves me, lol.

CuriousLord -> RE: I'm so offended! (11/4/2007 12:10:56 PM)
Forgive me if this sounds sexist, but I typically see females as physically weaker and emotionally more needy. Not as an insult, or an arbitrary bias, just.. it's what I've seen in life. I see women needing community more. I've studied, in Psyc, that female humans have more of some sort of bridge between the two hemispheres of the brain, causing them to be more receptive and prone to emotion. I know women often have more needs in the way of under garments and "time of the month supplies". I understand that women often need breaks during their "time of the month" because they're already cramping. I can see both genders fratinizing if combined, and I can't see how that'd be good for an armed service. To me, men are just more physically and emotionally able to fight. Not that all men are more able to than all women.. not at all! Just it's the generality, and if making the services co-ed is a social experiment at the risk of a country's ability to defend itself for the period of the trial.. isn't that utterly reckless?

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