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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 5:26:36 AM   
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They did not identify themselves as police officers. As much officer slamming as I see on this board no self respecting officer would do this. We have plenty of other things to concern ourselves with such as making sure we are doing what we can to make it safer for you to walk home.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 6:19:21 AM   
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For anyone who has not followed this along as to what is going on here:  

The users of this board are not allowed to post "complete articles", only snippets and then a link so save bandwidth, (as this is a free site), and then people who want to read further can simply click on the link and of course this method can on some occasions result in minor ambiguities that the greater majority of readers have no problem navigating.

Some posters make it their business to maliciously draw false conclusions and slander others using any ambiguity they can find in attempts to discredit opponent users rather than investigate their meaning and intent and then engage them on an intellectual level.

Case in point is where I went to the extreme to verify with a grammar professor, (that is a grammar professor to insure absolute accuracy), a statement that had two possible meanings if certain linguistic flags were not present.   At my request the grammar professor reduced the statement in quotes below into its fundamental components such that any grade school graduate can easily understand its structure and meaning in an effort to help him read and understand it in its proper perspective.

This poster has inappropriately slandered and denounced several others, (as can be seen in the Alumbrado instance),  as well as myself in this manner and is known for his inability to comprehend what he reads.  A clear pattern seems to be developing that would indicate that he targets anyone who does not agree with him.

Please note the case in point below, and if there are any readers who would like to help him with his linguistics i am sure his victims out here would sincerely appreciate it.

quote:

Sorry. I get your meaning now.  And you're right, and the word "And" is part of the linguistic flag here:

pull it = demolish the building

"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it (to demolish the building).' And they made that decision to pull (to demolish) and then we watched the building collapse."

Linguistic evidence
If we assume that pull it means to pull (the plug on) the operation, to stop the operation, then the second pull doesn't fit grammatically, because it would have to carry the same meaning. It'd have to be "....they made the decision to pull out ...", a different verb altogether.

The problem here, or rather the apparent problem, is the phrase pull it. It's ambiguous, that is, it has two potential meanings:

1) to end an operation, to pull out of an operation
2) to demolish a building

If the idiom pull it means to pull out of an operation, then its base verb form to pull should follow semantically. That is, in order to keep the same meaning, which is evident by the speaker's use of the conjunction "And" which connects the two sentences, to pull would have to be to pull out.

In short, you are correct. Good eye! Pull in pull it and to pull means to demolish, not to pull out.

To pull is short for pull it.




For you lucky feel free to refute the linguistic evidence with your linguistic PROOF or continue to show everyone your real motives here as I have uncovered.


Response Prediction:

a) Evasive manuever

b) Distraction to another subject

c) Further obfuscation

d) Create a straw man

e) Argue against his own point and attach it to me

f) become the victim and get emotional

g) present a specious argument

h) simply call me a liar

i) inappropriately discredit all sources

j) AWOL; simply ignore everything and continue to blather the same mistakes

k) ANYTHING BUT put up linguistic evidence.


So got any new ones I can add to the list?








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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 6:22:21 AM   
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I explained the problem with posting snippets in the previous post.   caught on tape was referring to the thrust of the post which clearly indicated in the title, which is threatening to FRAME protestors.

please look to the top of this post and note the title: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist

The title does NOT say:   NY Police caught identifying themselves on tape.

The point being here that according to the creator of the article the men did identify themselves as police oficers at some point in the altercation.

Had anyone bothered to ask, I would have said it up front.  In fact I did say it if I recall.

If someone has evidence that the claim is fraudulent then by all means post it as I would like to review it.




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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 6:25:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne



Caught on TAPE;

This man identified himself as a police officer and
accused Rudkowski of 'having a bomb' and 'being a
terrorist' to silence his free speech for Larry
Silverstein. It is a serious federal and state crime
to publicly state that someone has a bomb and is a
terrorist when not true-- like extreme example of
yelling fire in a theater-- and needs to be
prosecuted.

Such knowingly misleading and false information is not
only malicious and immoral, but has been made
specifically illegal under the Anti-Hoax Terrorism Act
of 2003-- and expanded for more stringency in 2004 and
the Terrorism Prevention Act of 2006, not to mention
long-standing protections against defamation and
public endangerment. There are also many state and
local laws prohibiting such activity.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6784729690941085123



Above the law?



The 2 lines I am referring to are. the first where you say he identified himself as a police officer and the last where you write "above the law"
no one is above the law. and he did not identify himself as a police officer.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 6:36:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: scifi1133

The 2 lines I am referring to are. the first where you say he identified himself as a police officer and the last where you write "above the law"
no one is above the law. and he did not identify himself as a police officer.


First i do not say anything about the man identifying himself, that is a quote from within the article itself.  Its not my fault if people are to lazy to read the article.  

So you were a witness to the altercation and heard every word said both on and off camera and are willing to testify to that effect in court then I take it?

above the law is a question asking for reader response and to understand that question you have to read the link and view the video clip, not just the little "snippet" that we are allowed to post as a tease.

I can understand these things happening with new posters but not the experienced ones.

welcome to the land of lucky-go-round!


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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 11:31:04 AM   
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Real so you are admitting you added the caught on tape part, even though it wasn't caught on tape.   I did watch and read, no where in it did they identify as Police Officers, except in the inserted graphic.  But hell I am still waiting for some sort of evidence about your "grammar teacher" which you are afraid to give for some reason.  I suppose you will refuse to give any sort of evidence for this also.

It is just another example of you slipping a lie into the premise of a "question", and hoping to find people dumb enough to buy into it.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 8:09:10 PM   
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Go ahead spin that till hell freezes over if you wish, had you asked nicely how I meant it prior to being a jerkweed about it I would have told you, but you prefer to jump in and spin it so you can make false accusations and slander me!

So lets see you chose

d) Create a straw man

e) Argue against his own point and attach it to me

h) simply call me a liar

k) ANYTHING BUT put up linguistic evidence.

Correction: make that 4 out of 10!

You falsely
slander and accuse people of lying. 

You have proven once again you arent educated enough to provide a refutation of the linguistic evidence given.

Be a man and just admit you fucked up and dont know LOL

So what possible reason would you want to know about the teacher for lucky?  Are you going ot bribe or beg her to change her analysis?  LOL

(you realize that by arguing against the linguistic evidence without providing yours in return is admission that you cannot read and inderstand a dictionary dont you?  That is essentially what she has provided for you here :)






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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 8:24:23 PM   
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If you're going to bleat endlessly about people slandering you, it might be in your best interest to take a moment and actually look up the word in the dictionary.  Unless it's your goal to look like a fool, that is, in which case you should keep on making libelous statements.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 8:37:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

If you're going to bleat endlessly about people slandering you, it might be in your best interest to take a moment and actually look up the word in the dictionary.  Unless it's your goal to look like a fool, that is, in which case you should keep on making libelous statements.

~stef 


dang stef thanks for pointing out the disctinction!  Maybe I have an oral fixation :)

Since slander and libel are in effect the same with the very fine distinction being slander = oral and libel = the same words written, i really doubt that justifies the fool label.

Chalk up one for you!  (see at least i am a big boy and can admit it!)  LOL

Now if I wanted to look like a fool i would take lessons from people who prove they are incapable of understanding the linguistic evidence in the form of a dictionary breakdown of a sentence.  Oh and then LIBEL them by calling them a liar!  LOL





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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 10:08:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Since slander and libel are in effect the same with the very fine distinction being slander = oral and libel = the same words written, i really doubt that justifies the fool label.

Opinions vary.  Now, all you have to prove is that him calling you a liar constitutes "false or unjustified injury to your good reputation."  Good luck with that 

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 11:09:29 PM   
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quote:

Opinions vary.


well we all know what they say about opinions :)

shit he has wrongfully accused so many people (in writing) that it could be a class party...  :)




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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 11:30:44 PM   
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Ok real so you demonstrate you have no idea how Slander/libel laws work.  And still haven't grasped what a strawman argument is. 

It is not libel to call someone a liar, when they say things that are not true.  What you say is "caught on Tape" isn't....It is not libel to point it out.  

What is really funny is that Stef's point went 100% over your head, and you have no idea, didn't even see it go by, but 95% of the folks who read it will....

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 11:42:37 PM   
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well you feel free to continue spinning the meaning of the op anyway you want lucky.  I already explained how I meant it and you fucked up by jumping to conclusions.

I wasnt talkin about ambiguities I was talking about tall the times you have libel people that are provable as i have shown in the alumbrado instance and as well as all the times you accused me of being a liar for the pull it statement.  In which I have proved you are dead wrong.  Hence libel.

Now we all know you are not wrong in "your" mind but the difference is that a judge can read.





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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/6/2007 11:49:36 PM   
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How do you think I fucked up?  You really do need psychological help.  I know exactly how you meant it.  You repeated a lie to try to make a situation seem worse than it actually was.  You know its a lie, and keep repeating it, so you can't pretend it was a mistake.  I will happily take this in front of any judge you want.  May I sugesst Judge Judy?

And I will countersue for your Cold Fusion generator.  After all you have called me a slanderer many times, and that is completely false.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/7/2007 1:25:38 AM   
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spin spin spin on the lucky-go-round! 

I already explained numerous times in numerous threads how you fucked up.

quote:

I know exactly how you meant it.


I need psychological help?  Hey buddy I am not the one here claiming to be a mind reader!  If you knew then you would NOT have gotten it wrong!!!

Public announcement: redact all slander with libel and make that two sugars in my coffee lucky thanks.

There now you can sleep well tonite knowing its all PC!

Lets see what do they call people who are obsessed with calling so many people a liar?  Oh thats right.

Sociopathic Behavior  -  Liars accuse others of lying, thieves accuse others of stealing, backstabbers accuse others of talking about them.

Thats it!  A Sociopath!!

There, problem solved!

ok next spin.....







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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/7/2007 1:46:01 AM   
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So we can add "sociopath" to the list of terms you have no idea what they mean, but use anyway.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/7/2007 2:06:09 AM   
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yeh just like i had no idea what "pull it" meant only to prove you dead wrong after you accused me of lying several times LOL


next spin....


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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/7/2007 6:48:29 AM   
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Enough, children.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/7/2007 11:26:59 AM   
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except you didn't proove me wrong.  I have asked you many times for some sort of evidence.  You claim you talked to a secret teacher who agrees with you.  I do not believe you.

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RE: NY Police Threaten to Frame Protestor as Terrorist - 11/7/2007 1:08:58 PM   
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what possible reason would you need to know who the teacher is lucky?




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