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RE: Money - 8/7/2005 6:33:43 AM   
Quivver


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First appearances do create a given assumption, but .. . .. Given Riotgirls table of events Merc, you and Beth would be regular people at least to me. It's the experiences we live that make us what we are and you've summed it up quite well when you said "made some correct life decisions". I've feel been fortunate to break bread with a family living in a shack over ran with children and no central heat to meeting royalty. But when it comes down to it, it's the Journey not the destination.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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For the mansion I would have the perception before I ever even met them that they were egotistical, materialistic, putting on airs and trying to impress someone kind of people who were hooked on status and most likely control freaks. Same reason why I would never date a man who drove a small, foreign convertible "status" car.


We resemble those remarks right down to the convertible 2 seat foreign car. There are many houses around us bigger, and more expensive, but some would consider what we have a mansion.

We WORKED for it! Wanted it - got it. Without starving our children or exploiting the less fortunate. How about that?

Are people with possessions the last group for accepted prejudice? Ambition and work ethic CAN accomplish a lot. I wasn't born to possessions. I didn't win the lottery. In fact in 2001 I lost every possession I had. I relocated her to LA with a job, a part time consulting one at that, NOT ownership. I drove out from NYC with everything I had left in a 19 foot U-Haul. No car at all at the time, only a motor cycle. I worked my ass off, saved, invested, worked some more, made some correct life decisions, and now, just last month I "cashed in" a little. Now I own a large part of the company I came out here to work for. Why? Was the owner a charity waiting to give something to someone he felt worthy? NO - Like me he is a capitalist. I made him money. Enough so that he thought the smart move was to make me a partner. Now together we are both making MORE money. Funny how that works.

So that disqualifies us from being someone you would hang around. That makes us materialist assholes. We have friends of ALL social and economic levels. It doesn't matter to us. We entertain and have been entertained in each other's homes without concern if the sofa was leather or worn cloth or if we were sitting on pillows. The person was much more important than the decor. But then, we aren't superficial.

And the next time I see a black person, I should just assume he/she are unemployed and on welfare, and not care to get to know them either. But wait...that would be prejudice.

PS - My total debt including house, doesn't equal my 1/4 of my annual salary.



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RE: Money - 8/7/2005 10:56:39 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Grew up one family disaster away from homelessness, see nothing wrong with trailers, wonder what in the hell people with money to spare do with it.


The majority of people, "well off" or not are one family disaster from homelessness. But more worisome are the many, if not majority that are not a disaster away, but only a few paychecks. To me that's living on the edge too. If that were the case, I much rather be in a trailer, but knowing that when the next "bomb" in my life goes off, I have about 6 months "life support".

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BTW - I think you should pay my bills for 2 months for that statement.
Why yah gotta go there?


I had you in mind with a "Merc smirk" when I typed that. I knew you knew me better and wanted to make the most dramatic effect. Unfortunalty, maybe with the exception of ALL Italians being mob connected (That IS true isn't it?). it's one that most people relate to from either side of the prejudice. 2 months huh? Fine, but you'll have to come out to pick it up.

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RE: Money - 8/7/2005 1:31:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl
Whether one is living in a studio apartment, or a 2 bedroom apartment, or one of the nicest apartments in a forgien city.. the person does not change. People dont just change because you see something new about them. Merc n beth would be the same ppl to me even if they lived in small house with little to no income.

The events leading up to whatever situation a person is in, and what events that person is facing right then DOES change the person.

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Or all you all saying, that you would judge a book by its cover?

I make judgements quickly based on initial observations, yes.

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Anyone ever noticed that when you do judge the book by its cover, it never turns out excatly how you thought it would.

Actually I have pretty good intuition and judgement and my initial judgements usually pan out.

HOWEVER, you seem to assume that we all simply take a quick glance and then slam the door. That's not good judgement making. Good judgement making means using what information is at hand, making what conclusions you can, AND being open to new information and revising judgements as new information arises.

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Point that i could be found in many different situations. And though i dont own that finer stuff ( i refuse too) it still reflects upon me, yet i am the same person.

You really think that? You don't think each situation helped you become who you are now and at each stage you were a little different?

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Imagine seeing me out with my father, dressed to the max at a resturant where the main course costs around 50 dollars a plte, would you likely think that i lived in a studio apartment where the landlord was such a penis that i had no a/c during the hottest months of lforida?

Nope

Because people judge a book by the cover and make assumptions based on perceptins that they see with out looking deeper or finding out what truly is on the inside. People judge and people assume without any background assumptions.

Your question asked a very simple statement about a persons living situation. You're now jumping on that and trying to broaden those answers far beyond the scope of the initial question.

Saying that I take a persons living situation into account when judging them does NOT mean I don't try and find what's inside also.
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first meeting, you come in rag clothes or you come in 300 dollar outfit. What do you assume?

And funny enough, this is how people get manipulated and played.

Sometimes.

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RE: Money - 8/7/2005 2:00:58 PM   
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I said that, Merc, because of how tight finances were and still are for my parents. I can hope I won't end up being in the same boat, but with my luck I'll just end up continuing the cycle of having to spend pretty much everything I make just to make ends meet.

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RE: Money - 8/7/2005 5:24:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
I knew you knew me better and wanted to make the most dramatic effect. Unfortunalty, maybe with the exception of ALL Italians being mob connected (That IS true isn't it?). it's one that most people relate to from either side of the prejudice. 2 months huh? Fine, but you'll have to come out to pick it up.
Okay, I will be coming to collect. M

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RE: Money - 8/7/2005 5:49:57 PM   
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Most definitely. We all are reminded around the clock that money equals status so our perceptions differ depending on the environment. I won't go down the list because I'd have too many perceptions on all choices.

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