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FaithfulYoungCuk -> Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 4:20:16 PM)

Why is it so hard to understand that a cuckold might not accept to be at the whim of another man? 

Progress and recurring issues:

Me & my Gf/Domme/Cuckoldress (to be specific) had what might be called an argument today, not really where I fight with her but she kind of holds me down and pokes me with sharp needles (in the emotional sense) that brought to mind how differently two people in a situation can view that situation.  The exact details are that I initiated some discussion with her before her date (which she's on now).  Unexpectedly the guy decided to drive to pick her up instead of meeting her so I asked if he was coming up so i would know whether to do the dishes before she left, or if she was running downstairs instead (so i would have something to do while she's away).  That part of the conversation went okay but it made her a little defensive.  I swear to god im so sweet and good natured its really making me sad to get that reaction, it makes me feel like i should do whatever and it doesn't make a difference and i might as well mind my own affairs and worry about myself, do what i want to do for all she'd care.  Anyway I'm probably at fault, maybe just the way I've been feeling has got on her nerves I dont know.  Its a funny position to be in when you can still piss a girl off without trying even with all these other men.

It wasnt' a big heated debate but she got angry when i asked the next question, i said "if you don't come home until tomorrow is there any reason to think this guy will stick around any longer than he needs to?"  I ask because she goes to work tomorrow, probably on no sleep so when she comes home afterwards she'll just want to crash and then i start my training schedule on monday morning so no monday afternoon so tuesday morning is the soonest if he gets the notion not to leave, assuming she humors him.  Well if she does humor him that means I'm spending my last day off with her marching to the drummer of what he does and doesnt want to do and I feel like there should be some consensus.

Anyway she said she wasn't going to tell me one way or the other because she didn't want me to "call her a liar again".  "Again" means there was this guy named Emad from the east coast who got sent here for work for 3 weeks and the first night she went out with that guy i was like "no big deal, just a schmo from okcupid she's been talking to a couple days".  it was a foregone conclusion they would have sex yada yada.  Anyway I never object to the men themselves or the sex itself and i should point out here to anyone who wants to say "welcome to the wonderful world of cuckolding" that I've been in strictly cuckold relationships since early 2003 and I've never had this issue before

What I do look for, my friends, is some sense of the agenda, as in "when is he leaving" or "when are you coming home?"  THIS i already intend to be extremely flexible about, it just helps me get through it to have some idea there.  Also I should point out that the month of October was an extaordinarily wild period for her because she just quit her last job where she worked all day 7 days a week and man she was just devouring the guys left and right.  With Emad that first night she came into my spare room here and we made out all hot and she was saying over and over "I wish he wasn't  here so i could go to sleep next to you, I can't wait til he leaves, etc"... Before she went back in to bed with him she said she would wake me up as soon as he left and i was very specific about the point that he doesn't get to say when he stays and when he goes.  She agreed that when he woke up she'd send him off.  But instead he woke her up at 8am and tried to have sex with her and really its just a cooincidence that she doesnt do that in the morning.  Anyway instead of getting rid of him she went out to breakfast with him until noon and i woke up by myself with no girlfriend, pretty much completely opposite of the agreement, not knowing if she'd come back or what.  I remembered all the fond words she said the night before and felt like they didn't mean anything.. I know they did but its this point here where I reach the subject of the post:  Why is it so hard to understand that a cuckold might not accept to be at the whim of another man? 

I've done forced bi and all but i dont feel the way about men that I feel about women and if hanging by a man's beckon call was what did it for me, I wouldn't need a girlfriend anyway.  I hear in response that I'm being selfish and jealous which I don't think is the case because I've never had a problem with it before.  So pretty much I'm supposed to have called her a liar because I let her know it hurt my feelings.  To be more honest i said something more like "this is what you said you were going to do and you did the exact opposite just because he refused to leave".  Going out to breakfast isn't even a big deal.  But what it is to me is putting him above me, not just for sex but as a person and a man.   If they can just set her agenda by wanting to, that means they set MY agenda by setting hers because she's my boss.  Thank god she's not submissive to men like that or i'd set myself on fire.  But to me its bad enough even to have an ear open to them asking for more than was arranged.   Probably it would help if she didn't pretend i was her gay roommate and didn't pretend she was single.  Her explanation for this doesn't make much sense to me but women look at men far differently than men look at other men.  In my case I loathe them except for their bigger man-parts because I made a choice to be the kind of man I am and I don't see the need to respect masculinity the way more traditional people still do.

Man I'm going on and on and all i wanted to do was ask a simple question. 

So it was the same thing kind of when I asked if there was any reason I should think Andrew's going to stay around any longer than he needs to in the morning (she's pretty much let me know hes coming over).  Then comes the defensiveness. 

I think she probably wonders "whats my problem".  And I bet a lot of people will also wonder "whats my problem if i'm a cuckold i should be happy".  But I have a problem submitting to men which is what her going along with there random requests means to me.  If she'll knowingly shaft me because they're being typical men and pestering her about what they want what they want what they want, that means I'm submitting to them because she's my boss and I do what she says and if she does what they suggest I'm marching to their drummer.  All I want is their penis in my girlfriend. 

But you know what?  I still feel like I'm the one who's in the wrong somehow.  Is there a better way I could look at it?  I dont even know HOW she looks at it if that's no big deal to her.  I know she looks at it like they don't matter compared to me and what they do isn't important because these guys are fleeting.  But why is it so hard to get that I want to submit to her and yet I'm completely unwilling to submit to them? 




AAkasha -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 4:24:04 PM)

Sounds like she is losing interest in you.

Akasha




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 4:29:30 PM)

Well that would be the thing i'm most paranoid about.  But she swears up and down this will never be the case and has all but sworn on a bible that she'll never want to leave.  In her defense, these guys i've worried about have continued to come and go.  She says not to worry all the time.  I tried doubting for a while but I want to believe her.




MisPandora -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 5:34:52 PM)

You both need to call a moratorium on this cuckolding-seeking other people thing until YOU TWO can get your act together and get on the same page.  If either party is not interested in coming together for a meeting of the minds, it's apparent that she's moved on and is going to do what she's going to do.  I strongly urge you to ask for a sit-down with her (and not while she's getting ready for a date) and renegotiate this relationship -- pronto.  If she's unwilling, I'd find myself another girlfriend/mistress.  She's walking all over you in a not-so-consensual way.  You have no way of knowing what she's bringing home and that WILL affect your health and well-being.




pixelslave -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 5:42:03 PM)

She's the one deciding for herself "yes" or "no" whether or not these men should stay longer, if she should go out to breakfast with them, etc.  You're not submitting to them, you're submitting to her, and her desire to do what they've suggested.  If she answers "yes", then she's broken her commitment to you to do otherwise as you've described.  The two of you need to talk and sort this out between yourselves.  Before you do, you need to understand clearly in your mind, you're not submitting to the other men, instead you're submitting to the decisions she makes in regard to them. [8|]
 
She can always choose to have them leave at any time she desires.  If she really wanted to spend the night sleeping with you, she could have told the other guy it was time for him to go home.  Instead, she apparently enjoyed teasing you, perhaps you did too? [&:]
 
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IdiotMale -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 5:45:49 PM)

I would be happy that she is cuckolding you and I do not see how you are/would be submitting to the guys she dates. I would not ask so many questions and simply let things happen,since she is the boss.




MisPandora -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 5:49:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pixelslave
If she really wanted to spend the night sleeping with you, she could have told the other guy it was time for him to go home.  Instead, she apparently enjoyed teasing you, perhaps you did too? [&:]
 

I dunno -- two freakouts in a week is not what I'd say is him enjoying himself.




LadyLegs -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 5:54:25 PM)

You mention that you have a lot of experience being cuckold, but what of your g/f?  I hate to say it (removing matches & lighters from your reach) but if she is not of control of her schedule, then she is allowing these men to control her. 

You do need to have a talk with her.




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 5:57:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

You both need to call a moratorium on this cuckolding-seeking other people thing until YOU TWO can get your act together and get on the same page.  If either party is not interested in coming together for a meeting of the minds, it's apparent that she's moved on and is going to do what she's going to do.  I strongly urge you to ask for a sit-down with her (and not while she's getting ready for a date) and renegotiate this relationship -- pronto.  If she's unwilling, I'd find myself another girlfriend/mistress.  She's walking all over you in a not-so-consensual way.  You have no way of knowing what she's bringing home and that WILL affect your health and well-being.


HI MisPandora!

I did get some talking in and i've kind of adjusted to this work schedule now, pretty much it was an independant, internal adjustment I guess.  SHe said "some things you have to learn on your own".  Is she walking all over me?  I've kind of lost track, i'm not very good at sticking to my guns.  I consider that a good thing though as long as the relationship stays on.  Part of my submission is a need to be used I guess and in a lot of ways I'm getting exactly what I hoped for and I do appreciate the irony that in some cases its my own desires being fulfilled that I have a hard time dealing with.  Still I've felt I've had to disconnect a little bit to get to where I can start work next week.  She's really into the mind games and she's really good at them and all... a lot of times i guess i don't know what's going on though or whats real or what isn't within the relationship.  Thats one of the bigger doors that a vanilla girl will walk through to become a Domme.

I have this vision of myself growing stronger through this and being independant because I have to be, being more like them I guess.   Okay, fine i suppose.  I hope i make it through the winter all right.  I've met her family and she's met my family.  I really fear she might lose interest but she's gone a long way to convince me it's irrational so she would have to be one evil mean bitch to go to such lengths to put me at ease and then destroy me when my guard's down.  I think I'll be okay.

Probably cuckolds do look at men a lot differently than their wives or girlfriends.  I've never had this issue before but I do know for sure from past experience that its only the cuck's idea in the beginning and from the minute the girl finds a regular its totally 100% out of the cuck's control, in which case being on the same page is the most important thing.  I've been trying to get on that page for about 5 weks now but especially since this job situation.

I try talking to her a lot and i can't say she's unwilling but i can tell she's not hearing what i'm really saying.  I doubt she's got any idea why i really don't want them being pushy like that and I know she doesn't get the core issue of my problem with the work schedule.




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:01:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pixelslave

She's the one deciding for herself "yes" or "no" whether or not these men should stay longer, if she should go out to breakfast with them, etc.  You're not submitting to them, you're submitting to her, and her desire to do what they've suggested.  If she answers "yes", then she's broken her commitment to you to do otherwise as you've described.  The two of you need to talk and sort this out between yourselves.  Before you do, you need to understand clearly in your mind, you're not submitting to the other men, instead you're submitting to the decisions she makes in regard to them. [8|]
 
She can always choose to have them leave at any time she desires.  If she really wanted to spend the night sleeping with you, she could have told the other guy it was time for him to go home.  Instead, she apparently enjoyed teasing you, perhaps you did too? [&:]
 
 - pixel
 
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true but relenting to their pushiness is submission's ugly cousin and i did not and will never sign up to be the sub of a girl who's a sub to a man




SunNMoon -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:04:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

You both need to call a moratorium on this cuckolding-seeking other people thing until YOU TWO can get your act together and get on the same page.  If either party is not interested in coming together for a meeting of the minds, it's apparent that she's moved on and is going to do what she's going to do.  I strongly urge you to ask for a sit-down with her (and not while she's getting ready for a date) and renegotiate this relationship -- pronto.  If she's unwilling, I'd find myself another girlfriend/mistress.  She's walking all over you in a not-so-consensual way.  You have no way of knowing what she's bringing home and that WILL affect your health and well-being.


I just want to emphasis what MisPandora has said.
 
I also want to add in, if you drop the cuckolding how is your relationship? Are you happy or are thing just hurting more then they should? Do you feel like what is going on currently is emotionally healthy for you? Are your basic relationship needs being met?
 
 You really need to talk, your feelings do matter. And I think maybe the reason you’re having issues with the cuckold relationship right now might be related to you are not feeling connect to her. It seems to me that you both need to sit down and work on your relationship before adding in more elements.




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:07:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyLegs

You mention that you have a lot of experience being cuckold, but what of your g/f?  I hate to say it (removing matches & lighters from your reach) but if she is not of control of her schedule, then she is allowing these men to control her. 

You do need to have a talk with her.


Her experience until now has been more of the unfaithul wife or girlfriend, which is very common.  I'm the first guy who's been in the know.  I'm really happy she's coming here with the guy at least cuz it means she doesnt have to rely on him to get her back here tomorrow.  I do look at it that way and I feel like girls of the formerly vanilla persuasion just have a habit of relenting to men about their boyish behavior and desires, those are the little things i guess that vanilla dating simply entails in which case the vanilla girl saves her leverage for the big things or whatever.  I'm not comfortable with them doing that and i feel like i should resolve this in some way.  What I really think is going to happen though is she's just going to handle it like she wants to and i'll get in trouble if i make too much fuss about it.  I dont even have respect for men in their natural state so that would suck unless i can learn to view it differently.  Old habits die hard on both counts.




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:13:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SunNMoon

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

You both need to call a moratorium on this cuckolding-seeking other people thing until YOU TWO can get your act together and get on the same page.  If either party is not interested in coming together for a meeting of the minds, it's apparent that she's moved on and is going to do what she's going to do.  I strongly urge you to ask for a sit-down with her (and not while she's getting ready for a date) and renegotiate this relationship -- pronto.  If she's unwilling, I'd find myself another girlfriend/mistress.  She's walking all over you in a not-so-consensual way.  You have no way of knowing what she's bringing home and that WILL affect your health and well-being.


I just want to emphasis what MisPandora has said.
 
I also want to add in, if you drop the cuckolding how is your relationship? Are you happy or are thing just hurting more then they should? Do you feel like what is going on currently is emotionally healthy for you? Are your basic relationship needs being met?
 
 You really need to talk, your feelings do matter. And I think maybe the reason you’re having issues with the cuckold relationship right now might be related to you are not feeling connect to her. It seems to me that you both need to sit down and work on your relationship before adding in more elements.



Yes I feel exactly the same way. To be honest I wish we could drop the cuckolding until i get to work somewhere else where I at least get to have one of the same days off as her.  How is our relationship without the cuckolding?  We have a good power balance but i think she feels like i'm keeping her cooped up sometimes.  Sometimes.  She likes to go out dancing etc.  I'm hoping they dont go out dancing tonight, I'd rather they showed up around 10:30 or so, all the sooner for him to leave tomorrow.  Talking has been kind of hard and i'm not sure if its because she wants to avoid certain topics or if its because she wants to see how far she can cow me.  She's a really smart girl so she's always got things working on a number of different levels.  She's new to being literally in full control of a man so a lot of times i know she's wanting to see how I'll react.  I kind of think she's about had it with being pestered lately, not that pestering her is my intention, and I feel like she'd be happy if i were able to resolve my emotional issue without burdening her any further.  I think she's at a point where she wants to see where the fun comes in to being able to sleep with hot guys while her boyfriend waits at home.




aidan -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:27:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IdiotMale

I would be happy that she is cuckolding you and I do not see how you are/would be submitting to the guys she dates. I would not ask so many questions and simply let things happen,since she is the boss.


How's the ostrich impersonating working out for you?

To the faithul young guy...Dude, the first two posts are the best advice you're going to get. This particular passage struck me as telling:
quote:

Probably it would help if she didn't pretend i was her gay roommate and didn't pretend she was single.


If that's the case, you need to get out. Because she's done with the emotional aspects of the relationship, and just hasn't told you yet.






MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:34:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FaithfulYoungCuk

.....and I feel like she'd be happy if i were able to resolve my emotional issue without burdening her any further.  I think she's at a point where she wants to see where the fun comes in to being able to sleep with hot guys while her boyfriend waits at home.



Hi again

I don't share your kink (cuckoldry) so its hard to have accurate insight

I concur with the above comments - are you HAPPY?  Are you LOVING cuckoldry?  On some level, do you love the gut wrenching fear that she will leave you for another guy (like your last g/f did)

You don't sound like someone who is having a good time.  But its interesting that you keep playing the same painful psycho-drama over and over

You haven't got over the last g/f leaving for a hot guy who promised her the world (then dumped her two-timing arse pronto after beating the competion ie you).  So what do you do?  Grab another two-timing girl and enter striaght into the same male on male competition for her.  What are you trying to do?  Win this time? 

This isn't about your girlfriend and her antics - its all about you.  You are pulling the scabs off your own emotional wounds over and over

Why don't you feel worthy of monogamy?  Why are girls who only want you boring?  Why don't you believe a woman  could find you man enough for her?  Why do you want to compete with other men?  Have you noticed how much you talk about your powerless in competition with other men? Other men are a real issue for you.

I suspect there is something truly horrible in your past - probably childhood - and I hope you go get some help with that.  Your behaviour now in adulthood is not healthy for you - please don't unravel over all this.  Please get away from the situation (ie her) and get some help in real life. 

You deserve a secure, loving relationship as much as anyone else, OK?  You deserve better than this upsetting mess.  But it is a mess of your own (unconscious) making.  Its time to work out why you don't choose parters that make you HAPPY, OK?

PS I am not a  shrink and I don't know you - please get some counselling in real life, not here on the net.  A counsellor might tell you all is perfectly fine the way it is.  What would I know?






FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:46:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: aidan

quote:

ORIGINAL: IdiotMale

I would be happy that she is cuckolding you and I do not see how you are/would be submitting to the guys she dates. I would not ask so many questions and simply let things happen,since she is the boss.


How's the ostrich impersonating working out for you?

To the faithul young guy...Dude, the first two posts are the best advice you're going to get. This particular passage struck me as telling:
quote:

Probably it would help if she didn't pretend i was her gay roommate and didn't pretend she was single.


If that's the case, you need to get out. Because she's done with the emotional aspects of the relationship, and just hasn't told you yet.



Hi Aidan thanks for your post.  I don't want to seem indirect when I put it up for question, but who agrees with Aidan here about the emotional aspects thing?  Thats something i havent even thought of yet.




MisPandora -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:55:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FaithfulYoungCuk
SHe said "some things you have to learn on your own".  Is she walking all over me?  I've kind of lost track, i'm not very good at sticking to my guns.  I consider that a good thing though as long as the relationship stays on. 

Are you that desperate that you'll sacrifice self and sanity to have a relationship where you're being walked all over?


quote:

I really fear she might lose interest but she's gone a long way to convince me it's irrational so she would have to be one evil mean bitch to go to such lengths to put me at ease and then destroy me when my guard's down. 

That's a logical fear given that you've said right out that she's dabbling at this dominance thing.  She's not got a clue what the mindfuck does damagewise and doesn't seem to have much respect for it.  It sounds as though she's already destroying you one little molecule at a time with the current goings-on....

quote:


I try talking to her a lot and i can't say she's unwilling but i can tell she's not hearing what i'm really saying.  I doubt she's got any idea why i really don't want them being pushy like that and I know she doesn't get the core issue of my problem.....

This is the most concerning.  One, she doesn't listen and hear what you have to say. (Or she just doesn't care.)  She's doing what she wants because she can.  From the sound of it, she doesn't have a grasp of the dominance aspects of your relationship, and you're handing her quite a bit of control without her having full capacity to wholly care for and nuture that which she's controlling.  Be careful.  That's a dangerous combination.  




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 6:59:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

quote:

ORIGINAL: FaithfulYoungCuk

.....and I feel like she'd be happy if i were able to resolve my emotional issue without burdening her any further.  I think she's at a point where she wants to see where the fun comes in to being able to sleep with hot guys while her boyfriend waits at home.



Hi again

I don't share your kink (cuckoldry) so its hard to have accurate insight

I concur with the above comments - are you HAPPY?  Are you LOVING cuckoldry?  On some level, do you love the gut wrenching fear that she will leave you for another guy (like your last g/f did)

You don't sound like someone who is having a good time.  But its interesting that you keep playing the same painful psycho-drama over and over

You haven't got over the last g/f leaving for a hot guy who promised her the world (then dumped her two-timing arse pronto after beating the competion ie you).  So what do you do?  Grab another two-timing girl and enter striaght into the same male on male competition for her.  What are you trying to do?  Win this time? 

This isn't about your girlfriend and her antics - its all about you.  You are pulling the scabs off your own emotional wounds over and over

Why don't you feel worthy of monogamy?  Why are girls who only want you boring?  Why don't you believe a woman  could find you man enough for her?  Why do you want to compete with other men?  Have you noticed how much you talk about your powerless in competition with other men? Other men are a real issue for you.

I suspect there is something truly horrible in your past - probably childhood - and I hope you go get some help with that.  Your behaviour now in adulthood is not healthy for you - please don't unravel over all this.  Please get away from the situation (ie her) and get some help in real life. 

You deserve a secure, loving relationship as much as anyone else, OK?  You deserve better than this upsetting mess.  But it is a mess of your own (unconscious) making.  Its time to work out why you don't choose parters that make you HAPPY, OK?

PS I am not a  shrink and I don't know you - please get some counselling in real life, not here on the net.  A counsellor might tell you all is perfectly fine the way it is.  What would I know?


I do really like cuckolding.  Ex-vanilla girls can make it tough though.  its not that i don't feel worthy of monogomy its the thrill of being stripped of the usual strongholds of masculinity and the male ego with nothing to offer but submission and acceptance. Because of her inexperience i dont think she wholly gets the levels on which i need to be engaged.  its so different from the men she's used to.  you hit the nail on the head a lot of times though.  as a sub i feel the way i feel about monogomy because women are living dieties to me and i can't bear to see a thing so beautiful not be 100% realized to the fullest extent of the female experience.  Men don't live or feel on the level women do and i find the most intense replication of what its like to be a goddess in the flesh is this vicarious arrangement where I'm very in tune to a woman's mind, body, heart and soul... trouble is i haven't been able to be as attuned as i have the potential to be and one of the things that hurts is to know I'm performing in a limited way based on what my options are.  Still I'm experiencing new things and i am overcoming some of my past blocks where i would stop myself.  finally i'm at a point where I can let go, with a woman who deserves it (theres more to the story  than just the cuckolding and the last 5 weeks) and I'm looking for that same page for us to be on, which in this case is a challenge.




MisPandora -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 7:03:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FaithfulYoungCuk

quote:

ORIGINAL: aidan
To the faithul young guy...Dude, the first two posts are the best advice you're going to get. This particular passage struck me as telling:
quote:

Probably it would help if she didn't pretend i was her gay roommate and didn't pretend she was single.


If that's the case, you need to get out. Because she's done with the emotional aspects of the relationship, and just hasn't told you yet.



Hi Aidan thanks for your post.  I don't want to seem indirect when I put it up for question, but who agrees with Aidan here about the emotional aspects thing?  Thats something i havent even thought of yet.


I recall saying I took issue with that particular line during the first episode of this Soap Opera.  That she's reduced you to a non-entity and is LYING about your relationship dismisses you entirely.  That could reflect a few things, none of which are good: 1) she's embarassed to admit what she's doing to you, 2) she's done with the relationship and is using you for whatever's left (money, housing, whathaveyou), 3) she's a heartless bitch and likes fucking with men's heads, or 4) a little bit of all.




FaithfulYoungCuk -> RE: Dumb Question, but an honest one (11/10/2007 7:07:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

quote:

ORIGINAL: FaithfulYoungCuk
SHe said "some things you have to learn on your own".  Is she walking all over me?  I've kind of lost track, i'm not very good at sticking to my guns.  I consider that a good thing though as long as the relationship stays on. 

Are you that desperate that you'll sacrifice self and sanity to have a relationship where you're being walked all over?


quote:

I really fear she might lose interest but she's gone a long way to convince me it's irrational so she would have to be one evil mean bitch to go to such lengths to put me at ease and then destroy me when my guard's down. 

That's a logical fear given that you've said right out that she's dabbling at this dominance thing.  She's not got a clue what the mindfuck does damagewise and doesn't seem to have much respect for it.  It sounds as though she's already destroying you one little molecule at a time with the current goings-on....

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I try talking to her a lot and i can't say she's unwilling but i can tell she's not hearing what i'm really saying.  I doubt she's got any idea why i really don't want them being pushy like that and I know she doesn't get the core issue of my problem.....

This is the most concerning.  One, she doesn't listen and hear what you have to say. (Or she just doesn't care.)  She's doing what she wants because she can.  From the sound of it, she doesn't have a grasp of the dominance aspects of your relationship, and you're handing her quite a bit of control without her having full capacity to wholly care for and nuture that which she's controlling.  Be careful.  That's a dangerous combination.  


In general i'm someone who's got options when it comes to women.  But i'm 29 now and for me its about time to start avoiding past mistakes i've made in earlier relationships.  used to be my fault, my failing, my not living up to the responsibility.  now i start with full disclosure but its the girls that have let me down.  still i continue to try and learn what i can.  She was one of a number of women I could've picked at the time.  I feel very weak right now but i know I'd do alright with the ladies if it came to that.  the last two parts are hard for me to respond to because its the stuff thats going on in the back of my head all day long. I am being careful and i definately realize the danger but i'm so frustrated with myself for my lack of guts to give it all to a woman i'm determined to bang myself against a brick wall if i have to




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