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mistoferin -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 8:48:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
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If i ever cannot avoid hitting a deer, do i brake or not?  i have heard some say braking hard will land the deer through your windshield. Others say differently. i think it's a matter of time before i probably hit one myself.  i did hit one, but it was dead laying in the road already. By the time i saw it, i had seconds to either swerve or run over it. i didn't want to topple my caravan so i gripped the wheel and ran it over - had i been in my other vehicle i would have had major repairs to make.  This is different than hitting one standing up though.


Hit the deer. Tonight I have been waiting for my very first Master to make it into town. He has been living in Florida for over 20 years now and they don't have the deer we have here in Michigan. Anyway....he just called....he rolled his car and is sitting in a ditch....trying to avoid a deer. Probably would have hit it regardless but if he hadn't swerved he most likely would have at least stayed on the road.




muffdiverelite -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 8:59:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

There are schools of thought, that believe that as deer(or any animal)are killed/die,that leaves an "ecological slot" open for another deer.

In other words,it`s the food supply,that controls the numbers.In rough terms,when we shoot one,that only leaves more food to be eaten by another dear,which are being put ,"on-line" by the tens of thousands every year as new-borns.If true,we could shoot them by the thousands and that wouldn`t change the road danger dilemma.

Has anyone heard about chemo-technology that makes deer  infertile?Food left out, that when eaten will keep the females from conceiving.

That could be much more affective.


Giving deer birth control is not the answer and the food may poison other animals as well. Birth control also interferes with natural selection. Hunting for sport and managing the population replaces the natural preditors that are no longer resident and the native sustinance hunting that occured prior to European colonization.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 9:01:00 PM)

I hunt deer and around here they need to be thinned out,destroying gardens and tearing up the hay fields,breaking down fences etc....At least once  a  week one one killed here on the road and out on the 4 lane it an every day occurrence,I hunt deer and rabbits and bred and show hounds which I also hunt for titles on bear and racoon...Diane has the Bambi complex and refuses to cook venison, whats an avid hunter to do except to cook it himself...Hunting for meat and hunting for horns is entirely two different things.I have gotten some very nice bucks and yet no horns hang in my house.....I expect this thread to go two ways,one calling us killers and the other side that agree the problem needs to be address....FYI I hunt with a bow so those that are in the know recognizes just how difficult bagging one is....




muffdiverelite -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 9:07:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

A State Trooper who used to hunt my land said that most deaths occur because people swerve. You swerve, you wind up in a ditch or wrapped around a telephone pole. You hit it straight and although the car will need several thousands of work, the deer will slide up and over your car, and not going through the windshield. Never swerve for animals on the road. Ever. Brake yes, swerve and lose control, no.

Some deer are almost the weight of smaller breeds of cattle, especially in the northern and mountainous states.If you hit a cow dead on with a full size pickup or SUV you'll probably survive; if you hit a cow in a compact or a subcompact, airbags won't save you.This happened to a friend of mine a few years ago because some assclown forgot to close his gate to his pasture and his cattle wandered onto a major road in the suburbs. If you can hit the deer with the left or right fender and keep in control you'll make it just fine.




Padriag -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 9:17:12 PM)

Ya know... just never expected to see a discussion of how best to hit a deer on a BDSM board.  Life's so damn funny.




Owner59 -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 9:25:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

I'm two hours from Manhattan, hardly the most rural of areas. But the major cause of death here is from car/deer meets. I don't know anyone who hasn't had a major deer accident. One of the things that keeps our town police busy is searching the woods for wounded deer after a car accident.

Yes, I'm pro hunting. Around here, you can get two doe permits per season; bow, rifle, black powder. Plus one buck over four points per. That means nine deer possible. Although the odds of getting a deer with black powder seems to be slim and none.

A State Trooper who used to hunt my land said that most deaths occur because people swerve. You swerve, you wind up in a ditch or wrapped around a telephone pole. You hit it straight and although the car will need several thousands of work, the deer will slide up and over your car, and not going through the windshield. Never swerve for animals on the road. Ever. Brake yes, swerve and lose control, no.


"most deaths occur because people swerve."

That`s a really good point.Just hit`m and take your chances that way.




Greylynn -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 10:18:12 PM)

Your insurance rates go up if you swerve too.   Hitting Bambi is not your fault, avoiding Bambi is.





slaveboyforyou -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 10:45:55 PM)

I don't hunt deer, but it's not because of a Bambi complex.  I find nothing exciting or relaxing about waking up at 4 in the morning to sit in a tree and freeze my ass off all day.  I live in one of the states with the highest percentage of people with hunting licenses.  I don't have a problem with hunting.  I do have a problem with certain kinds of hunting.

We have been having a big debate down here about hunting deer with dogs.  It's currently legal, but it shouldn't be in my opinion.  Assholes that hunt with dogs will take their dogs out to the woods and drop them off a few months before deer season.  They go back and feed the dogs on a regular basis, but they leave the dogs out there to basically shephard the deer into a specific area.  It's cruel to the dogs, and it's un-sportsmanlike.  I also have a huge problem with bear baiting or baiting any animal.  Fortunately that is illegal here, but it's not everywhere.  I just don't see the sport in setting out donuts, corn, or whatever else these pricks use to lure a bear or deer to a spot on a regular basis.  These guys aren't hunters, outdoorsman, or sportsman.  They are just lazy pricks that want to shoot something, anything that breathes.  I also have the same opinion of people that hunt basically tame animals on enclosed ranches (people like Ted Nugent). 




Marc2b -> RE: Hunting Season (11/10/2007 10:48:03 PM)

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If i ever cannot avoid hitting a deer, do i brake or not? i have heard some say braking hard will land the deer through your windshield. Others say differently. i think it's a matter of time before i probably hit one myself. i did hit one, but it was dead laying in the road already. By the time i saw it, i had seconds to either swerve or run over it. i didn't want to topple my caravan so i gripped the wheel and ran it over - had i been in my other vehicle i would have had major repairs to make. This is different than hitting one standing up though.


I think there would be to many other variables for there to be any one answer. How big is the deer? What type of car? How fast are you going? Is it raining? Since every situation would be different all a person can do is make a quick judgment and then wait and see if it was the right one.

I hit a deer once. It went up on the hood of the car but did not go through the windshield. I was seventeen and driving my mother’s Trans-Am which I had "borrowed" without permission and had taken for a joy ride. My mother hadn't spanked me since I was four but I believe I came close again on that day. At least we got some good venison steaks out of it. Cost me seven hundred bucks to get the car repaired, though.

As for hunting:

I used to hunt but gradually fell out of it. I realized that what I enjoyed about it was the solitude with nature. The standing on a windswept hilltop, not a sign a civilization around for miles, the crunching of twigs beneath my feet, the earthy smell of the forest, etc. I don’t need the excuse of shooting a deer to enjoy those things. Don’t get me wrong, I haven’t gone "bambi-hugger." I’ve nothing against the concept of hunting or against hunters themselves. If there is ever a nuclear war I’ll have no moral problem shooting my dinner. Until then, though, just give me that hilltop, a tree to climb, and a sunrise to watch.




Padriag -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 1:33:44 AM)

I never really cared for the concept of deer stands.  If I'm going to hunt then by golly I'm going to HUNT, and for me that means going out and doing a bit of tracking, stalking and using natural cover.  Sitting in a tree stand waiting for some buck to come after the corn you put out would bore me to sleep.  Not that I'd necessarily mind the nap...  What I enjoy most is the hunt itself, pitting my skills, my senses, my ability against that of a deer or a bear or what have you.   Interestingly enough I find that hunting wild turkey is more of a challenge than either deer or bear... old Ben was right, they're a wily bird.  I don't always kill things I hunt either, if I'm not going to eat it I'm not going to kill it.  I will not leave a kill laying, and I think hunters who do ought to be fined... if there was a practical way to do so.  Its just as exciting to me to get close enough to a deer to touch it... without it ever knowing I'm there, as it is to shoot it.  If I shoot it, its because I'm out of deer jerky, or I'd like some pheasant or wild turkey for dinner.

I've got some good stories about various animals I've literally scared the shit out of.  One poor buck damn near drowned himself trying to get across a pond... there he was minding his own business having a drink of water... next thing he knows I'm standing next to him grinning.  He took off straight into that pond like he could walk on water... and I swear, for the first 15 feet... he did!  Or there was the jack rabbit, really big one.  I'm out hiking and I get to the end of this large fallen tree.  About the same time this big old jack rabbit gets to the end of the same tree from the other side.  We both stood there for a minute to surprised to react... we'd snuck up on each other.  Then he took off for all he was worth and naturally I took off after him.  Gave him a good run until he ducked into a blackberry patch.  Didn't get the rabbit, but the blackberries were delicious!

Course may absolute favorite thing to hunt is a pretty lil slave.  Not going to kill her either... though its a good bet I'm gonna eat her. [:)]




ownedgirlie -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 1:48:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

If you eat meat from a restaurant or buy it from a supermarket, the cruelty you cause by supporting factory farming is FAR worse than anything the drunkest, most lowbrow and cruel hunter ever did to a deer.  That goes for chickens, where most often the baby male chicks are sent down a conveyor belt to a dumpster to die, or cows that are slaughtered while still half alive, or worse yet, factory farmed pigs.



This is SO true, so I'm reposting it onto this next page.  Unless you're buying free range organic, what you'll see in livestock farms and slaughterhouses is horrific. Hey and how about the neutoring of male livestock?  Anesthesia costs money, ya know, so just sharpen your knife, hold the animal down, and whack.

So a gun shot or arrow after a life in the wild seems a lot kinder in comparison.

By the way, I just saw the movie, "Open Season" with my nephews last week and it was pretty darn funny :)





pinksugarsub -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 7:00:05 AM)

Y/you guys are making me scared to drive the Metro Parks here for fear of deer crossing; and i never thought twice about it or what to do.  Thanks for the heads up.
 
pinksugarsub




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 7:07:17 AM)

deer meat is delicious and healthy......and as ted says.....ya cant grill it til ya kill it.....

i couldnt shoot bambi, but i can damn sure cook him up in a pan or a pot of chili.......




Alumbrado -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 7:35:44 AM)

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I never really cared for the concept of deer stands.  If I'm going to hunt then by golly I'm going to HUNT, and for me that means going out and doing a bit of tracking, stalking and using natural cover. 


You are talking about 'hunting', not to be confused with 'Hunntn'.

'Hunting' as I grew up with it requires a reliable weapon suited to the task, and a trip out the back door to get dinner. (And one dog, tops).


The latter is more prevalent these days, and requires not only a license, but a trip to the liquor store, some sort of over powered vehicle, ridiculous clothes, massive firepower, and artificial devices to allow the GOBs a chance to actually perforate some of the fauna without actually having any skills.  Dogs, baiting, spotlighting etc. belong in the 'Hunntn' category.

I no longer enter the woods during 'Hunntn season'.




velvetears -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 7:40:41 AM)

i was traveling I84 near Waterbury CT and saw three dogs with those long floppy ears lumbering down the shoulder of the highway.  i was with my um (11) and she thought they were kids running and was horrified - 3 of them.  i couldn't for the life of me figure out how they got there but now i know because of this thread - they were probably hunting dogs. i sure hope they didn't get killed. i suppose they chased a deer or other small animal to the highway. 




MrrPete -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 7:47:57 AM)

I'm totally against Trophy Hunting But hunting for the table is fine  However if you're a peta type you had damn better be a vegetarian.

There's a lot of deer in Oklahoma and my van got hit in broad daylight last year. Put it out of commission for 2 months.

I went and bought deer whistles as I have a had a close call this years and I'm hearing reports that they're on the move. Now I just need to mount them on  my bumper :)






pahunkboy -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 7:51:24 AM)

I am 1000% FOR thinning the herd out. there are too many.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 8:00:18 AM)

YouTube - Deer jumps over biker




Marc2b -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 8:03:24 AM)

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Interestingly enough I find that hunting wild turkey is more of a challenge than either deer or bear... old Ben was right, they're a wily bird.


Absolutely! Contrary to popular conception, turkeys are highly intelligent and difficult to bag. Amongst the hunters I hunted with (my grandfather and his friends mostly) bagging a turkey earned you major bragging rights.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Hunting Season (11/11/2007 8:06:57 AM)

Bird hunters, especially waterfowl hunters are the ONLY reason there are any.  Almost all the money, public and private to protect, preserve, and maintain wetlands come from hunters.

Bird hunting and fishing improve the breed because they kill the slowest and or dumbest animals.

Hunting animals and going after the biggest doesn't improve the breed, it selects for smaller animals.





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