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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 5:34:57 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Intersting as I am speaking as someone who has been an owned slave and written virtually identical posts as rubber AND I am a dominant. 

So I'm not sure you can really state it has anything to do with one's orientation or life experiences. 

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 5:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your post is touching in a way, but I just have to say that no two loves are alike. There is no love as unconditional as my love for my UM, yet I am capable of loving others just as deeply as I love him... the thing about the human heart is that once it opens up to love, it just is capable of loving more and more and more...there is no limit to the depths it can experience if the owner of the heart wants it to.

Your post makes me think of mothers that I have heard go on and on about "mother love", that there is no love deeper, more true, or pure... as a mom I think that is horse shit. There are just different types of love, and they all have their value and place.... your assertions come off as though yours is the end all be all of love which I have seen many state on CM... I always challenge those who assert that the love they have is somehow deeper, more spiritual, or whatever to think of old people that are married for over 50 years, lose a mate, and then they follow their mate to the grave shortly after... there is no other love that I can think of which is deeper than that, and it is vanilla!

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 6:56:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vampchick88

Well then you have loved before, that’s all your statement means. But you undermine the comments of someone who feels things that you may have never felt before, walked in their shoes or to know where these people have come from, their background, their lives then you cannot begin to understand what a slave heart is and how truly a precious gift that it is. It is more precious than a ring on my left ring finger, more honest and true than any poem, more spiritual than two lovers song. It is the utmost gift that any slave can bestow to his or her owner. Its love, dedication, sincerity, compassion, basically giving all of themselves to their owner.
A loving heart merely means that you love someone dearly and yes may lay down your life for them. A slave heart is a commitment of being truly owned for time and eternity by someone they would do anything to make them even smile. It is my most prized possession because of the trust that was gained to give it so freely, without question, without worry. To those who have not experience this connection I hope that one day you may understand the beauty it holds within. For those who act as though they understand it, and try to judge I pity you, for this happiness you’ll never know. Don’t judge this Mistress without walking a day in her shoes.
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Is this directed at me? Then you have loved before, thats all your statement means? You think any loving can ever be a "that's all"? How ridiculous.

Judging? Undermining? I think you are the one who is judging and undermining someones emotions. You know nothing about me, my life, my world. How dare you undermine my life and experiences? Don't judge me without walking a day in my shoes either.

By the way, I HAVE slaves. I have had slaves for years, so I do have a little experience of the feelings they feel.  I also, due to my job, have a more than passing understanding of human emotions.

Get off your idiotic metaphorical high horse and realise that emotion and love is as individual as DNA.  A "slaves" heart is no different to anyone elses. It is simply a DEGREE and TYPE of love.

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 7:06:12 PM   
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Its love, dedication, sincerity, compassion, basically giving all of themselves to their owner.


People can give these things, in a relationship, without being owned.  Surprised?


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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 7:53:31 PM   
vampchick88


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I am not on a metaphorical high, I know quite a bit about human emotions… so sure I know them too. But knowing them the exact way I do no one can. Its an individual experience for everyone, that EVERYONE is entitled. I never said other people would experience the same things as I do. 
I've been writing about a slaves hear which is what the post is about. I was stating the degree of my slaves love for me and how dear it is for me.
True a slaves love might be different in every case but I thought I'd write my two cents worth, after all I do live in the United States and am entitled to do so. I wish that some people could understand there are different forms of love, and in this particular post I wrote about my slaves heart and what it means to me.

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 9:52:46 PM   
MidnightMaiden


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Status: offline 		Oh wow I didn't mean to open such a can of worms!  In reference to the OP's question, what is a slave heart, in all the posts I read I see it the strongest in rubberpets posts.  If I could point to anything tangible, written and say "there, that's what it looks like", his posts are the example I would use.  But that's just what I see, that doesnt make it a Websters definition :)

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/11/2007 10:14:12 PM   
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Just as "Pepsi" (or Coke) is soda to some, soft drink to anothers and pop to more, these words are all descriptive of a carbonated beverage. I use the term "slave's heart" to describe my level of submissiveness. I often split hairs with the terminology used in the lifestyle because I don't think that anyone  in this country can ever be a true slave........... (taking cover from incoming flames).............. there in nothing that  can be done if one day i decided i don't want to be a slave anymore............... you cant hunt me down, killed  me,  these things a not legal and sane actions................nothing, except the fact i would have to be true to myself and honor my commitment  could stop me from "leaving" .................and that is how i am.............. ....i don't like the term slave............ because it implies no choice............ absolutely.............IMO the only CHOICE a slave has is self preservation................ period..........


.So when i am speaking  about my submissiveness  i often state it this way " I am a deep submissive with a slave's heart." because at some  point of time in the future if agree to a total, absolute.. power exchange with anyone (AKA slavery) it will be because together we have chosen with the short list of limits (choices) i do have.......and i will do everything i can to honor that commitment.... but  i will still be a submissive.....not a slave IMO




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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 3:32:02 AM   
rubberpet


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Status: offline 		Wow, this thread surely took off...LOL.  The type of love I have for Mistress is a combo of slave (which one feels toward his owner) and vanilla (which one feels toward his girlfriend).  Since we can't live "kink" 24/7, the vanilla world creeps in.  I want to marry this girl.  I would die to protect Her and kill to keep Her safe should She ever be in danger.  That is the deep "vanilla" love someone feels for their spouse, immediate family, or child.

My slave heart comes into play (no pun intended) when I am willing to sacrifice my pride (if need be) and do whatever I can to bring Her pleasure or be of service to Her, no matter the inconvenience to me.  Since She is in school, earning Her degree, I am more than happy to stay up late at night helping Her do research for tests and term papers.  To me, I am being of service to Her, so in my eyes I'm doing it with a slave heart.  If She wants to do a scene which involves going somewhere public (say a mall) and I'm on Her leash in just my catsuit and I'm required to sit on the floor at Her feet as She shops or has lunch, it may be a little embarrassing to be, but I'm doing it because Mistress ordered me to, not my girlfriend.  My slave heart compels me to obey Her because it is Her wish.

Mistress was very touched because of what I wrote for Her.  She is very protective of me and who I am to Her.  I'm almost certain that She went off on MissMagnolia's response to mine because She felt that MM was saying what I felt wasn't what I truly felt.  (Make sense?  Good...lol).  I should have been more clear with my original post, but Mistress was just defending what I wrote for Her.  I do have both loves for Mistress, but She is my owner first and girlfriend second.

Now that's out of the way, let's just be happy for the ones who have found the missing part of their lives and root for the people who are still looking. 

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 5:19:16 AM   
lilsubl


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ORIGINAL: rubberpet

My slave heart comes into play (no pun intended) when I am willing to sacrifice my pride (if need be) and do whatever I can to bring Her pleasure or be of service to Her, no matter the inconvenience to me.  Since She is in school, earning Her degree, I am more than happy to stay up late at night helping Her do research for tests and term papers.  To me, I am being of service to Her, so in my eyes I'm doing it with a slave heart.  If She wants to do a scene which involves going somewhere public (say a mall) and I'm on Her leash in just my catsuit and I'm required to sit on the floor at Her feet as She shops or has lunch, it may be a little embarrassing to be, but I'm doing it because Mistress ordered me to, not my girlfriend.  My slave heart compels me to obey Her because it is Her wish.



thank you, rubberpet, for addressing the question that i had...it seemed that the thread went astray there for awhile, with posts about love & who has more love for whoever & whose love is deeper...i really wanted to read opinions about what constitutes this "slave heart" thing...

does the "slave heart" always involve love?  or can it be a term to describe one who simply obeys unconditionally because it pleases one's Master/Mistress?

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 5:38:43 AM   
Archer


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Status: offline 		The oldest use of slave heart I know of in the BDSM community is from a class given by Master Steve Sampson to OCLA (Orange Coast Leather Assembly) and it is quoted in the material from Butchmanns Academy that he started. Much of the information on this is now hosted on the APEX website.

And it makes no reference to romantic type love. Rather it talks about the heart more in the manner of an athlete or a person who is fully commited heart and soul to a calling. I guess the closest thing vanilla wise would be something like the "heart of a Priest".

http://www.arizonapowerexchange.org/AcademyHome.htm

The term may well have been used before ths but I never heard the term used until I heard it used by Master Steve, and I have found nouse of the term in writting that preceeds his use of it.

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 5:54:25 AM   
rubberpet


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Status: offline 		Lilsub, I will only speak for myself on this one.  I'm willing to do anything for Mistress because I love Her, both as my owner and my girlfriend.  My love for Her is limitless, therefore my commitment to Her as Her slave is limitless.  I know She will never ask or command me to do anything that would be harmful to me, so I have unlimited trust in Her.  So my servitude is conditionally based on my love for Her.  Mistress returns my love and affection ten-fold and makes me feel wanted, needed, and appreciated beyond what I ever imagined.  That makes me want to serve Her with the very last breath in my body.  If I felt unappreciated or taken for granted, I certainly would find an owner who cherishes my level of devotion and servitude.  In other words, I serve Mistress with complete because I love Her with all my heart and She returns that level of love to me.

There are a few out there who serve their owner because it is just their nature to want to please.  They will do almost anything to please their dominant, no matter if they have the same level of love or devotion returned to them.  To me, those are the rarities out there.  It doesn't make them better than anyone else, just more rare.

Does that make sense or am I way off base here?

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 6:28:48 AM   
lilsubl


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Status: offline 		yes, rubberpet, that does make sense...as i said, i really wanted to read of opinions & experiences & you have given me yours...that it's possibly different from others' views makes no difference...this is what it means to you & i'm grateful that you shared it....

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 6:30:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		thank you very much, Archer for the link...i need to be off to work now, but i have bookmarked it so that i may read it later when i have the time......

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 6:46:01 AM   
Elegant


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Status: offline 		How has the term 'slave heart' come to be associated with 'romantic love'?

Steve Samson uses the definition 'Slave Spirit': an individual born with a slave spirit. No one can make an individual have this spirit; nothing can be done to create this state in an individual's being. No one trying hard or wishing for this sense of spirit can develop it within themselves, and no Master can cause it to occur. A slave is an extraordinary human being who is born with this slave spirit — as much as they are born to breathe, or to have gifted talents like design or music.

For the most part I agree with this analysis. I entered into a Master/slave relationship with Master Archer over eight years ago and, in the beginning, there was not even a murmer or hint of romantic love. I used my slave spirit to naturally serve and obey him and nurture his 'Heart of Master'. In return he used his 'Heart of Master' to nurture, protect and accept my slave spirit.



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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 6:58:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		While i didn't read Archer's link ... He hit on what i've been thinking as i saw this question posted yesturday.  Obviously it's a bit of a romantic term but i think it speaks of desire as much or more than love.  Often people speak of desire or drive by using the term "this is in my heart" ... especially women.  Someone might say "i have a heart for this or that" or they might say "i have this longing in my heart" ... perhaps they are using heart and soul interchangeably but i think most of us can understand that the reference is to our core.  Maybe the heart is choosen as the organ to pinpoint or attribute because it's our center of life ... it's one of our most critical organs and too ... it usually is understood to be speaking from a different place than a reference to say ... the brain. 
 
In general conversations we usually pick up the difference between referring to what we think verses what we feel. We might say ... "my brain tells me" verses "my heart tells me" in reference to deep feelings or drives.  It just depends upon the person and granted ... it's a romanticized expression though i don't see anything wrong with that at all ... often but not exclusively we are considering a love of sorts we we consider a deep M/s relationship with someone. 
 
If i am using the term "slave heart" for me i am not referencing a feeling of love exclusively or even necessarily.  Mostly i am speaking of my drive to please and serve and be owned ... hence the term "slave" in the equation verses some other descriptive.  It's one of the ways i may try to explain to a 'nilla person how i  feel driven to a different sort of life than they do.  In church there are times when you might here the term "servant's heart" or the "heart of a worshipper" which are both again ... phrases that denote a particular type of drive.  Martha from the old bible story who served while Mary sat at Jesus' feet as the story goes is often described as having a "servant's heart" because she was worried about all the details of getting things done and wanted to see to everyone's needs. 
 
Too i might ask another girl ... do you have a "slave's heart" or what does your "heart" tell you about a drive for a deep submission that involves sacrifice and living a life dedicated to someone else before yourself.  To me having a particular "type" of heart is simply a way of expressing that you hold the general tennents of a certain belief as the core of your being.  Two people can DO the very same action ... one might be thrilled and thrive in the doing of those actions ... it may truly fulfill them ... then you might say ... they have a "heart" for something.  Another person may do the same actions but it's a burden, a chore, and an imposition for them.  In that case it's pretty clear they don't have so much of a heart for the task at hand. 
 
Overall i think it's used to describe the deep disposition or convictions of a person ... but it can be used in a variety of other ways.  And as folks here are wont to quickly point out ... there are exceptions to everything and few rules ... beware the broad brushes and the broader strokes! ~winks~
 
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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 11:34:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		i don't have a slave heart i have a submissive heart i am a sub not a slave.  My heart belongs to Master it beats only for him.

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 3:25:02 PM   
Viridana


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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 7:02:03 PM   
lilsubl


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Status: offline 		thank you all for your contributions...i appreciate it...gives me something to think about, anyway......

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RE: slave heart?? - 11/12/2007 11:57:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		well maybe it's to do with our levels of submission; as we all know, a slave is much more submissive and gives more of themself than us mere submissives

it has to be true, i read it daily; and no one can be wrong on these boards, right?


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