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Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:28:36 PM   
BoiJen


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Status: offline 		Recently I've picked up a book called "Your Pain, My Pleasure," by FifthAngel.

Just in a brief reading I'm reminded of something I already knew...but thought would make a great topic...of course with my own personal spin.

sadism 
  1. (mainly psychiatric) the enjoyment of inflicting pain
  2. achievement of sexual gratification by inflicting pain on others
  3. gaining sexual excitement and satisfaction by watching pain inflicted by others on their victims
  4. a morbid form of enjoyment achieved by acting cruel to another, or others.
  5. (In general use) deliberate cruelty either mental or physical also applicable to the cruelty inflicted upon animals whether for sexual gratification or not.
Now that I have sadism and hopefully those of you reading can make the leap to sadist...

There would be cause to believe that sadist is a type of top and that not all tops are sadists because not alll tops inflict pain and uncomfort.

Having stated this and knowing that position within structured power dynamic does not always reflect position within scenes...

Do you as an individual believe in "sadistic s-types?" And why?

I'll reply shortly with my own opinion on the subject :)


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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:33:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I for one do! There is such a culture of pleasure for pleasure, feeding into someone else's kink to then garner something for your own pleasure. Its always been such a skewed line here I've noticed that people go back and forth with the "what a slave is comfortable with" "Im happy when they are happy" and as much as I can attest to that myself with my chastity slave. I've always had a terrible desire to have a girl slave for the sheer purpose of tormenting, seeing no pleasure in her from the acts I commit and would reveal in the tears. Its so easy to be seen as extreme of offputting. Im not here to force that personal desire on anyone, but freely admit I have it.

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PS: Great topic


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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:36:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi jen, i dont think s types can be considered sadist unless they switch. To me, a sadist inflicts pain on others, so they that would be done by a D type.

Unless it`s mental pain, in which case thats a whole different story.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:38:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks! lol...your post also leads to the Dominant bottom and sadistic bottom...

the servant who is completely capable but totally uncomfortable to the point of tears at topping their D-type....but the D-type wants it...so many twists and turns...

FA argues that a top delivers sensations that one interprets as pleasurable. FA goes on to state that he doesn't want someone who will enjoy what he does...but in the moment wishes they were else where...no matter what they consented to when they got there or how hard they'll masturbate to it afterwards.

As a bottom I enjoy those types of scenes best...thinking about them...after the action...and in the moment if I weren't bound I'd prolly kill someone. :)


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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:39:43 PM   
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Hi jen, i dont think s types can be considered sadist unless they switch. To me, a sadist inflicts pain on others, so they that would be done by a D type.

Unless it`s mental pain, in which case thats a whole different story.


can't delivering sadistic activties to a D-type be considered a service?

guess this gives away my position on things lol

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:40:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sure.  They really have nothing necessarily to do with eachother.  An s-type simply has to do with not having authority- nothing to do with enjoying pain in another.

You don't necessarily have to be topping someone to be inflicting pain in them.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:40:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Action, would an s type who enjoyed seing pain being inflicted be a sadist ? or for that to happen would one need to actually inflict the pain ?  In short, does being a voyuer make one sadistic ?

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:42:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice point jen but would delivering pain to a D type make you sadistic, or just obedient ?

Nice question all the same.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:44:53 PM   
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Action, would an s type who enjoyed seing pain being inflicted be a sadist ? or for that to happen would one need to actually inflict the pain ?  In short, does being a voyuer make one sadistic ?


In so much that someone who's watching something publicly is supporting the act itself. I have to think, yes even as a Voyuer if your gaining some pleasure for someone else's pain. Dispite inflicting it yourself or not.


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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:44:58 PM   
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Richard Freiherr von Krafft-Ebing one of the first professionals to use the term "sadist" in this manner, or modern srinks and the DSM

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:45:14 PM   
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For mine own part, I see no conflict whatsoever to a slave also being a sadist.  One of my absolute favorite sadists is the slave of a good friend of mine.  She's particularly fond of, and expert in needlework, a favorite of mine as well.  She doesn't do it just for "service."  She does it because she LIKES it.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:47:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Nice point jen but would delivering pain to a D type make you sadistic, or just obedient ?

Nice question all the same.


That would depend on the negotiation now wouldn't it?

I know a couple of D-types would consent to a scene and their limits and that's it...they deal otherwise and indulge their need to bottom...no matter how they feel in the moment...and I'm the type to deliver...as I very much enjoy hurting people.

Then there's the top from the bottom moment by moment type. Or the script from the D-type before they begin.

Several different possibilities...

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:47:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Harry that makes a lot of sense to me. Dont try to look too deep for a reason other than "just because "

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed jen, from my own standpoint i could inflict pain if ordered to, but it doesnt come naturally.i think to be sadistic one needs to derive some pleasure from the act, whether ordered to do it or not.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 5:52:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhh...that I do...I most like it from the people who don't normally ask for it...says the boi who said to the Lady in Charge..."Ummm...do You think...maybe...I could...ummm...cut You again soon?...Ya know?" lol

And practically came my pants as She "sacrificed" Herself for the sake of the community during a demo....I got pay back from that shit but enough material to masturbate until I passed out was worth it!


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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 6:06:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoiJen
Do you as an individual believe in "sadistic s-types?" And why?



yes.. because being a Sadistic Top doesn't dictate that one need be Dominant in the scene.

A Sadistic Top that is submissive will be inflicting pain on another but the decisions of what pain.. how etc will be decided by the Dominant of the scene... who could actually be the bottom as well.

I have done scenes where my girls have cause pain to another under my direction.  Now it's different for each of the two......Kyra I think has a Sadistic streak in her.. because she gets enjoyment from doing it that comes intrinsically.  While Alandra is only doing it because I have instructed her.

so.... Kyra with more experience could develop into a Submissive Sadistic Top.
while Alandra has shown herself to be a Submissive Top.... she just doesn't get a kick on causing pain.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 6:27:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Do you as an individual believe in "sadistic s-types?"


Absolutely.

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And why?


I'm a slave who happens to have sadistic (and a masochistic) streak. One is my M/s orientation and speaks to what I am, the other is my S/m orientation and speaks to what I do. I enjoy causing pain in the forms which appeal to me (needles, knives, wax etc) and several things which are pleasing to my eye such as rope bondage. I am almost always willing to poke needles into anyone who says 'yes' though.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 8:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I do. I've SEEN it. I've also seen masochistic Masters.

One of the hottest scenes I've ever seen: Masochistic Master is on the cross, shirtless. Sadists slave is behind with a blood-knot flogger, naked. she flogs him until he's well marked. she runs around to the front and asks, breathlessly, "Can I hurt you some more, Master?"

HOT!!!

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 8:11:17 PM   
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I think it's Midori that has some workshops along this line? Submissive sadist/dominant masochist.

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RE: Sadistic S-type? - 11/11/2007 8:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a sub and have been described as an "empathetic sadist". Basically I get a thrill out of watching what other subs are going through. More specifically their reactions, eg: a gasp that slips out when a crotch rope is yanked. I've never been a top before, but I suspect that the thrill would be the same. Given that I'm not a masochist that may be bad karma 

I really doubt that I'm a switch. While I enjoy watching these reactions, I just don't feel any need to take control.

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