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juliaoceania -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:15:38 PM)

I have a feeling her master is the one telling her to write down names and not to respond to certain people... You know, that Daeldus person... I will probably be blocked by her... so it would do me no good to ask her anything.

You know, I am unaccustomed to being a "bad influence"... I was always the girl parents wanted their kids to hang out with... damn, it does not feel good to be the fema-nazi![:o]



kc692 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:15:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Come on kc, they missed day 1 in true Dom school.  Respect is earned not demanded.



laurell3, it's TWUE Dammit, get it right, lol.  I do give courtesy though until someone starts calling other people 12 year olds, like a 6 year old would.



laurell3 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:19:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kc692

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Come on kc, they missed day 1 in true Dom school.  Respect is earned not demanded.



laurell3, it's TWUE Dammit, get it right, lol.  I do give courtesy though until someone starts calling other people 12 year olds, like a 6 year old would.


Meh who cares, it is works for him it does.  What works for me isn't that.  The question is really about the forum and the answer is rather clear.



kc692 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:22:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I have a feeling her master is the one telling her to write down names and not to respond to certain people... You know, that Daeldus person... I will probably be blocked by her... so it would do me no good to ask her anything.

You know, I am unaccustomed to being a "bad influence"... I was always the girl parents wanted their kids to hang out with... damn, it does not feel good to be the fema-nazi![:o]


He is telling her not to respond to the females on this thread, as is his right as his slave, that is not our judgement call to make.  The judgement call on him for me personally comes in when he is of the opinion that we are female and should not post on this board, and she should not answer us as if we don't exist, but he can't resist all of a sudden deciding we do in fact exist on this board and actually responds to us....wonder if he thought about that before he started calling one names.  I hope you are able to talk to her on the other forum julia, she is just doing as she was told, tis not her judgement or lack of courtesy I am questioning.  Actually, I looked at her profile earlier and she sent me a nice email thanking me for looking at it, and actually read my profile, and commented on something in my journal, which I think speaks volumes to the good about her.  This view isn't her.  I just find it humorous that he didn't have the guts to get on here and bitch himself, but directed her to write the thread, and then couldn't resist taking her off and him getting on..  Wow, hope we didnt emasculate him by him feeling the need to respond to us.

edited to add:  saki, you do bring your Master honor by your courtesy.  Shame he doesn't do that for himself.



juliaoceania -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:25:13 PM)

I enjoyed her posts in the submissive forum...and she writes well

I completely respect obedience... and I endeavor to be obedient myself... I am a good girl dammit![:D]



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:37:49 PM)

I agree with you in general KC, but she did choose him as her master and chooses to be in a relationship with him- therefore his character and behavior WILL affect how she is perceived and judged as a whole.



dcnovice -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:43:56 PM)

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BTW, Valyraen read this message and approved.


Doesn't he need to say, "I'm Valyraen, and I approved this message"? That's what they do on TV.



sakidorei -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:47:58 PM)

~sighs~ i had not planned to respond to the Ladies on this thread because i had deliberately asked my questions of the Masters.  i asked them because i DO believe that in large part society has largely emasculated men ... just read popular mags like Cosmo and what they have to say about getting what you want from a Man or using Him ... or how He has to be soft and gentle and tender and deferential all the time ... in this respect i suppose i have a rather Gorean bent to me as i see these things as undermining the strength of men. 
 
i don't intend for that to be a slur on Dommes as i have met a few that i really enjoyed and respected ... i do mean that more of a very personal feeling about natural roles and how i see them. 
 
i didn't post here to explain or defend myself as i said because my questions were posted to a specific audience (Masters) asking for a specific opinion on THEIR feelings.  i was not interested in what switches, subs and Dommes thought about the issue because that wasn't what i was wondering about or thinking about or even askng about.  i don't mean that disrespectfully ... but it's a bit like someone asking a question about floggers and everyone else saying ... "well what about whips and chains too!!!???!!!  you need to know about them as well!"  i picked the audience that i wanted because they possess the perspective i was interested in.
 
i did look briefly at the Mistress board and switch boards but i didn't see nearly as much posting by Masters or Doms in those sections.  Additionally ... i wasn't concerned with them in forming my own thoughts about this phenomina here on cm of women posting in a section that is designed to be for the asking of Masters.  i realize that others don't see a problem with it ... obviously ... i simply wanted to know how the Masters felt about it ... or if they had no feelings at all.  i don't go to the orthodontist and ask Him about what a gynocologist thinks ... they are both doctors yes ... but they view things differently.  You know?
 
i want to be very clear however because as any slave would feel ... i can stand much attack on myself and it pains me greatly to see assumption about my Owner without my clarification ... which is ... the questions were ENTIRELY mine.  If you read my journal in my profile you'll see this has been sort of a common theme for me in my thinking lately and while i did paraphrase something that He said to me ... He in no way put me up to posting this.  My Master has been on cm since 2003 ... long before many people were here.  He isn't new and He definitely isn't shy about stating what He feels. 
 
While people didn't like the post that i made ... it's a shame that i am not given the liberty to ask my questions in a respectful way to a target audience that is listed in the forum, with directs on how i can approach that audience - "Ask a Master" ... without having to endure such vicious attacks and flagrant character bashing.  i realize that some of you may have strong feelings about what i posted or my Master posted ... but i can not speak for Him as He chose on this thread to end 4 years of board silence to speak to the issue Himself.  i regret that i made this post out of my own curious nature for the negative reflection that has fallen on Him.  i do not regret having the questions in my mind and i don't think it's wrong that i don't share those curiosities about other boards ... i mean ... some things we are interested in and some things we are not ... right? 
 
My questions were clear ... my target audience was clear ... i took and take full responsibility for my post from it's inception to it's conclusion.  i was not directed to post nor was i coached in what to do.  As i said ... i did choose orginally not to respond to those outside of my target audience because i did not want to be guilty of what i was asking the original questions about.  My Master obviously chose to reply to women in this thread because they were getting more and more nasty and assuming.  It's a mess and i certainly regret not having the ability to simply post a pointed question to a particular group and not feel that i can safely do so.  Safe not meaning physical harm but this intensively character attack that has ensued. 
 
i don't understand why it just simply wasn't clear that i was asking of a particular group and that i was politely not replying to others because i wasn't asking them.  And i didn't want to degrade this thread even worse.  Now that is obviously beyond my ability to help.  i make no apologies for my Master as i adore Him and am very proud to be His so please don't misinterpret what i've written here.  He is an Alpha male and He is a Master and He is my Master ... all of which i am very thankful for.  i just want to be clear ... i didn't generate this post on His behalf in any way ... so any disgust or revulsion that you feel about this post rests honestly and rightfully on me.  i crafted it ... i posted it ... i wanted to know.
 
i hope this answers most of your questions ... if not ... maybe a topic started on the slave board or even private emails via my profile would be more productive as i am not intending to post here again. 
 
~saki
Property of Master D.



laurell3 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:54:19 PM)

The negative response to his posts has nothing to do with you, it is his words, if anything the opposite is true.  You are quite obviously well-spoken and polite and I can see now that I was wrong assuming anything different.  However, it is nonetheless clearly his dogma that women shouldn't have a voice that you are repeating.  His posts and yours make that rather clear.  Telling any class of people they don't deserve respect out of some personal set of protocol and rules is ridiculous.  You didn't do that, he did.  However, singling out only males to respond to and not addressing females at all is not "politely not responding".

CM makes the rules, we just attempt to follow them.  The forum sections doesn't appear to be one in my reading nor is it enforced to my knowlege although, as I stated previously the Mods are quite active here.



dcnovice -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:54:21 PM)

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just read popular mags like Cosmo and what they have to say about getting what you want from a Man or using Him


Just read the story of Herod and Salome (Matthew 14: 3-11), and you'll see that getting what you want from a man aint nothin' new.



Aceton -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 8:57:47 PM)

It upsets me when people don't follow implied rules that aren't actually rules as well. Why can't people just understand that this is a place to be rigid in their thinking, and closely confine their interactions to those who fall within their own social, geographic, gender, and age groups and orientations? I don't understand it. It's almost like people have mistaken this for some kind of free forum where they can say almost whatever they want to whomever they want.

When will they learn that seperatism and heavy protocol in a virtual environment is the only way forward?

(Edited because I made a word up and then spelt it incorrectly, and I don't want to look silly in the eyes of all the Masters who roam this forum with whips waiting to beat down people who do it wrong.)







LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:14:19 PM)

OP do you know there are females who identify as masters? 

And trust me, your master isn't considered an alpha male on these particular boards.



kc692 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:19:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I agree with you in general KC, but she did choose him as her master and chooses to be in a relationship with him- therefore his character and behavior WILL affect how she is perceived and judged as a whole.


Perhaps, but she must see something in him that is right for her or that fills her need to serve, and she definitely has no control over him.  She has written me three very gracious emails on the other side tonight, and with her words, brought the only honor in him I have seen thus far, by her honor and courtesy, definitely not by his. I would not think he would have cared if she had emailed me in that gracious of a manner or not, but she did(and I know he did not disallow it, but I do not believe he encouraged it either, although I could be wrong.)



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:20:27 PM)

Perhaps it is more an issue of the OP thinking "everything in its place is the proper way" rather than making serious judgment calls?



YourhandMyAss -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:24:00 PM)

Me either, and my Dominant would be extreamly angry , and the Daddy bear would come out, if any one in real life thought they had a right to dominate another man's submissive, simply by virtue of calling themself Master. Online he's simply tell me to ignore the whanker.
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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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My Master tells me that there is a strong dillution on the BDSM community these days of strong Masters because no one wants to hear them roar. No one wants to be kept in check.


Do you think it is appropriate for a master to try to keep in check property that doe not belong to him?  That may be appropriate in the Gorean forum, but it would not go over well here.  I certainly have no desire to be "kept in check" by a random stranger on-line.




kc692 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:25:51 PM)

We really have to talk to the powers that be about getting a new icon of someone beating a dead horse, lol.

saki, think what you will, but you did not bring any disgrace to your Master, and I am truly happy for you that you adore him.  It is after all with the understanding that"your kink is DEFINITELY not my kink" or "different strokes for different folks".  You made your impression and after 4 years of board silence, he definitely made his.



kc692 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:26:52 PM)

I'll definitely agree with that, smiles.
edited to add:  Well, except that it was not an issue for the men to go on the other boards, that was not the concern..

**goes off to find that dead horse icon**[;)]



SweetSarijane -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:31:03 PM)

<grinning> I posted the suggestion that we needed one of those added to the smilies a while back in some thread. We so need one of those! [8D]



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:33:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kc692
I'll definitely agree with that, smiles.
edited to add:  Well, except that it was not an issue for the men to go on the other boards, that was not the concern..

**goes off to find that dead horse icon**[;)]


LOL I'm TRYING to be helpful and open minded here.



kc692 -> RE: Masters ... does it bother You ... ? (11/12/2007 9:33:34 PM)

**makes a note in case she ever meets the powers that be***[;)]



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