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Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 4:12:58 AM   
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There has to be a time when a Domme's buttons are pushed or triggered by their sub/slave. I am not talking about screaming and yelling. But something that triggers angers, saddness, and even something very emotional for you.

I know that I have had this happen to me. And sometimes I catch it other times, I catch it after the fact.

My question is how does one deal with it- without losing respect from your sub/slave? And how do you handle it?
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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 5:46:37 AM   
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I may look at Mistress as if She is a Goddess from the heavens and place Her upon a pedestal above everything else, but I also remember that She is human and, therefore, has feelings and emotions.  I may say or do something that was meant to be playful, but if She takes what I said and gets angry, sad, or feels something negative, then as Her slave I feel as though I've let Her down in someway.  I try to put myself in Her shoes and see things from Her point of view.  What exactly did I say?  Why did She react the way She did?  Is there something to the story I don't know yet?  These are all questions I ask myself.  Once I can understand what it was that She reacted negatively towards, then I know what not to do the next time.

In other words, even if Mistress gets angry or cries, I do not look at Her any differently or lose any respect for Her whatsoever.  She is still and will always be my Goddess.  For me, I have limitless love and respect for Her and She is the greatest gift I could have ever hoped for.  It is my resposibility to serve Her to the best of my abilities and treat Her like the Goddess She is.  So if that means I have to listen to her vent, scream, or cry, I'll just do what I can to comfort Her and make Her feel better.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 5:50:36 AM   
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I am not sure if this will be something I stand alone on or not, but I dont let anything show, I always keep a poker face, even if something shocked Me to death, she would never know it.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 6:31:49 AM   
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Hi

Why would showing emotion lose me respect from my slaves? I am not a robot, and am not about to cover up how I feel, because of some stereotype that Dommes have to be hard, cold, and emotionless.

As for your question, are you talking about manipulation? Or inadvertent triggers?

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 6:41:12 AM   
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quote:

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Hi

Why would showing emotion lose me respect from my slaves? I am not a robot, and am not about to cover up how I feel, because of some stereotype that Dommes have to be hard, cold, and emotionless.




I am not sure if that is directed at Me or not, but perhaps I should clearify that I am like that all the time, not just with My slaves.  I always keep My emotions contained and a str8 face.  It has nothing to do with a sterotype, its just who I am.  I have in the past, had slaves that could not even deal with that fact, so believe Me, it is not for their benefit.  I just dont think it is appropriate to be seen upset, how can you control someone else, if you can not even control yourself?  I know this may not be the popular opinion, but it is Mine.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 7:01:23 AM   
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I just dont think it is appropriate to be seen upset, how can you control someone else, if you can not even control yourself?  I know this may not be the popular opinion, but it is Mine.



Everyone has a right to their opinions...However, emotions are natural mental functions. 

To show emotion is not to be out of control, to let that emotion take you to the extremes is to be out of control.  If you let your anger make you abusive, that is out of control, if you let your sadness make you so depressed that you are suicidal, that is out of control, if you allow your pleasure to make you obnoxious and unbearable, that is out of control.

To the OP:

I don't think anyone, be they DOMINANT or submissive wants an automaton as a partner. 



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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 8:31:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha

There has to be a time when a Domme's buttons are pushed or triggered by their sub/slave. I am not talking about screaming and yelling. But something that triggers angers, sadness, and even something very emotional for you.

I know that I have had this happen to me. And sometimes I catch it other times, I catch it after the fact.

My question is how does one deal with it- without losing respect from your sub/slave? And how do you handle it?


If my submissive does something that hurts my feelings or causes me to feel emotional usually I say something like "that was very hurtful to me, you need to leave me alone for awhile and when I am ready to speak to you again, I will."  Usually I will take some time to myself and then go back to him and explain why I am upset and usually when he sees that he has caused me to be hurt...he is 10x more hurt than I am.  I also practice a ritual where he is told what he did that displeased me, allow him opportunity to apologize (sometimes punished) and then we reconcile with a hug and/or kiss.  This allows him comfort in his service to know he can be human and while I do expect him to be respectful and kind, he has room to improve...we all do.

On the other hand...we are married and share a wide range of emotions together in our lives.  We've been through births, deaths, illness, accomplishments and just life in general.    During the course of day we can laugh together, cry together, get mad together...it is life, we are humans.  When we play we laugh, a lot.  I am enjoying myself...I love to laugh, to smile and to show my appreciation for his submissiveness.  I don't think this make me less dominant in any way, shape or form.  If he loses respect me for me crying than he doesn't have a realistic look upon me as a person.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 11:12:58 AM   
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Im very openly emotional from tears to joy. Sometimes my boy pushes the buttons that brings out any of them but thats just human nature isnt it?
He wouldnt intentionally try to upset me and I would hate it if he felt he wasnt able to speak his mind (at an appropirate time of course) if that pushes my buttons then it pushes them we deal with it as it comes.  He is mortified if he hurts or upsets me emotionally if that happens we snuggle up tight and talk about the whats and whys and then make it better
Ive come home today in a foul mood after having a shitty day and he said the wrong thing and I got upset.  He didnt mean to and looking at it rationally he wasnt actually saying anything wrong I am just that way out today.  I came upstairs had 5 minutes and then we hugged I apoligised so did he and we hugged for a bit while I had a cry about my day.  Ive never been in a relationship that has the right amount of communication and honesty about emotions and everything else til now, and I have to say its lovely having someone who will let me bitch and then hold me till I feel better
Im hoping later he will push that special button that makes me cry out for a whole different reason



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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 12:28:40 PM   
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I think a lot of this starts with the amount of respect a submissive has for you and the relationship itself.  As I think on this, there are a lot of things that factor in, but I will just address it simply.

If my submissive doesn't know my buttons and pushes one, he might get a raised eyebrow and an... "oh really" or an "is that so".  I then think on how I will address this as a lesson about me or any correction I want.  I rarely do anything at that moment.  If it is something emotional, then I may respond in emotion such as eyes welling up or something.  I don't hide my emotions from someone I want to understand my emotions so that he can better know and serve me without constant orders from me.  If I am able to discuss it at that moment, great... if not... again it gets filed in the todo file for a better time.

As for my submissive pushing an anger button or a button he knows is there... well we have a far different situation! lol  I will not allow myself to go off on something that has been done, that he has no clue about.  If I am angry, he may hear it in my voice or see it written on me somehow, but I will remain in control and will give him a quick explaination of some sort so that he doesn't have undue fears manifesting, but may let him know the topic will be discussed at a later time, which lets him know he may or may not be in trouble and he is to maintain as normal until I bring it up again... because I surely will.

If he knows it is a button and is testing me, manipulating or anything else I find offensive to the relationship... well... then we have a serious relationship issue on top of a d/s issue and it will be addressed!  I cannot see myself losing control too often... but... when and if it does happen... I tend to get mad simply because they made me mad!  Then it is all out 'redhead' and in my world... that isn't a pretty thing one willfully asks for!  Then they get the hottlicks tongue lashing I am named for and most likely won't get the other kind for a while.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 2:53:04 PM   
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I think ISM is right to have a straight face; it can sometimes hurt a slave to not receive the appropriate punishment.

Say you overact in your head about an infraction a slave has committed, then punish them too harshly. It can have detrimental consequences for your relationship together...

IMO.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 3:12:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha
My question is how does one deal with it- without losing respect from your sub/slave? And how do you handle it?


I think it really comes down to how it as handled by the dominant and the mindset of the sub.

If the situation is handled well, say for example the dominant expresses that they are angry and why while in control of themselves still instead of raging and acting out, then  sub losing respect for their dominant simply on the basis that they felt upset about something speaks more of the sub's views and feelings on what a dominant should be. 

That's not something the dominant can really change and in these cases I lean towards  serious talk and possible ending of the relationship.  For another example, if a sub feels a dominant should never feel sad, be brought to tears by something, is a god/goddess that is above all human upsets and is loses respect because they showed they were indeed human and could be effected by their sub's thoughts or behaviors...  well, it's an extreme example but we do see it.

Best we can do is keep control of ourselves, pick good partners, and then have an honest and open discussion after everyone's calmed down to clear the air and work out what was the source of the upset.  Can only try our best.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 4:04:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha

There has to be a time when a Domme's buttons are pushed or triggered by their sub/slave. I am not talking about screaming and yelling. But something that triggers angers, saddness, and even something very emotional for you.

I know that I have had this happen to me. And sometimes I catch it other times, I catch it after the fact.




Why would it be okay for someone to push your buttons or trigger anger, sadness or any other emotions in you, never mind your slave??

Does it bother you that you are not respected in Moments of your emotional stress? You should be loved unconditionally, especially by your slave. :)

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ORIGINAL: Kaiynasha

My question is how does one deal with it- without losing respect from your sub/slave? And how do you handle it?



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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 4:17:41 PM   
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MsLilac, you ask two very interesting questions. I was going to just answer and say...triggers only...but you know, sometimes subs try to manipulate. So both buttons triggers and manipulation.

MistressDolly- I loved how you said how to handle it, "the belt." :)

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 4:29:22 PM   
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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 7:20:36 PM   
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Kaiynasha,

quote:

There has to be a time when a Domme's buttons are pushed or triggered by their sub/slave.  I am not talking about screaming and yelling.  But something that triggers angers, sadness, and even something very emotional for you.  I know that I have had this happen to me.  And sometimes I catch it other times, I catch it after the fact.  My question is how does one deal with it - without losing respect from your sub/slave?  And how do you handle it?


How does one deal with instant anger, sadness, and disappointment?  My answer is the same regardless of gender or BDSM proclivity.  Hopefully one deals with these situations as a mature, responsible adult.  For me, and I dare say most people, first and foremost this means I must defuse myself before I can talk rationally to my partner.  Thus, I'll timeout by myself, go for a walk, leave the issue for a few days while I reflect, or do something that I know puts me in a happy place.  Often I'll do a combination of these things.  Once I've had time to reflect, then I'll communicate with my partner and try to find a solution.

There are times when feelings like this must be dealt with as they happen.  This is difficult ground because it can be tempting to say something nasty to my partner.  I try to hold my tongue as much as possible in this circumstance because really, I'll probably feel and speak differently once I've had time to reflect.  Therefore, if things must be processed in the immediate, I try to communicate directly and let my partner know what I'm feeling and what it will take to make me feel better.  At the same time, I try to recognize that my partner has feelings too and may see the situation differently than I do.  Therefore, I use a combination of communicating my own feelings and just listening to and understanding my partner.  Certainly, if my partner is feeling bad, I'll ask if there is anything I can do in the immediate that will make her feel better (such as make dinner, give her some space, hold, cuddle, and kiss her, etc.).

If both my partner and I have been triggered simultaneously, sometimes it is necessary to say "I can't talk rationally about this right now, can we discuss this in an hour or two, or tomorrow?"  I think it's an important relationship skill to know when you're not capable of respectful, loving discussion.  Even if you are one hundred percent correct and justified, harsh words are never received well be a partner so I think it best to avoid them.  You can do far more damage with harsh words than whatever the original infraction was.  My experience has been that it is better to hold your tongue for a time when you're able to speak calmly and constructively than to rip into your partner - even when BDSM relationship dynamics allow for this.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 7:35:00 PM   
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rubberpet,

quote:

I may look at Mistress as if She is a Goddess from the heavens and place Her upon a pedestal above everything else, but I also remember that She is human and, therefore, has feelings and emotions.  I may say or do something that was meant to be playful, but if She takes what I said and gets angry, sad, or feels something negative, then as Her slave I feel as though I've let Her down in someway.  I try to put myself in Her shoes and see things from Her point of view.  What exactly did I say?  Why did She react the way She did?  Is there something to the story I don't know yet?  These are all questions I ask myself.  Once I can understand what it was that She reacted negatively towards, then I know what not to do the next time.

In other words, even if Mistress gets angry or cries, I do not look at Her any differently or lose any respect for Her whatsoever.  She is still and will always be my Goddess.  For me, I have limitless love and respect for Her and She is the greatest gift I could have ever hoped for.  It is my responsibility to serve Her to the best of my abilities and treat Her like the Goddess She is.  So if that means I have to listen to her vent, scream, or cry, I'll just do what I can to comfort Her and make Her feel better.


I think your sentiments are coming from the right place, but the wording is so utterly flowery and saccharine.  Let's defer the "disappointed your perfect Goddess" perspective and get right to the crux of the matter.

A mistress is a human being just like anybody else.  She owns her feelings, just as you own yours.  It may be true that you do something, inadvertently, that angers your mistress.  Likewise, it may also be true that from time-to-time your mistress makes a mistake that unintentionally angers you.  Mistakes and triggers happen from both sides.  That's real life and real people.  So you communicate to one another, apologize as necessary, move on, and try not to repeat the same patter again.

Empathy is a wonderful tool that all partners should learn.  If you make a mistake, inadvertently trigger anger in your partner, and/or fail to live up to a promise, accepting responsibility, apologizing, and showing empathy is not a bad place to start.  I've never equated this essential relationship skill as the domain of submissives.  Rather, this is a skill all partners have had in any successful, long-term relationship that I've ever been in.  And of course, whatever the infraction, equally important is that after the fact you show your partner you heard them and take steps to avoid the problem happening again.

Elan.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/14/2007 10:25:00 PM   
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If you handle it in an adult, conflict-resolution way and the slave looses respect for you...they're not a good match for you.

I have most of my buttons clearly stated in my Household Manual. For example: even if I am acting as if I am 'The Bitch' incarnate, never ask me, "Have you taken your meds today?" This is a button that will send me flying, especially if I'm already bitchy. If you want to know if I've taken my meds, go look. If I haven't, calmly and quietly bring them with a glass of water. I know I have this button. I know where it came from (my second husband used my mental health against me in order to remain 'the good guy' - typical alcoholic behavior). I work to never let it be a problem by consistantly taking my meds or by graciously accepting them when brought.

I have other buttons, too. If they hit one I haven't told them about or I didn't even know about, I try to calmly explain how I'm feeling and why I think I'm feeling that way. Then, I may or may not excuse myself and physically withdraw from the situation.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/15/2007 3:14:50 AM   
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Argh!  Speaking of triggers... this f-ing bulletin board drives me crazy.  Whoever came up with the idea of stopping a post from being edited only seconds after it is submitted definitely pushes one of my buttons on a regular basis.  Yes, I know I should proofread well before posting, but sometimes mistakes slip through and I'd like to be able to fix these when I spot them.

At any rate.  This sounds odd:

"Even if you are one hundred percent correct and justified, harsh words are never received well be a partner so I think it best to avoid them."

What I meant to write is this:

"Even if you are one hundred percent correct and justified, harsh words are never well received so I think it best to avoid speaking to a partner this way."

As per my previous post, this is one example of how I deal with triggers.  Instead of allowing my anger to fester, I do something that makes me feel better. :-)

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/15/2007 5:54:35 AM   
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quote:

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rubberpet,

quote:

I may look at Mistress as if She is a Goddess from the heavens and place Her upon a pedestal above everything else, but I also remember that She is human and, therefore, has feelings and emotions.  I may say or do something that was meant to be playful, but if She takes what I said and gets angry, sad, or feels something negative, then as Her slave I feel as though I've let Her down in someway.  I try to put myself in Her shoes and see things from Her point of view.  What exactly did I say?  Why did She react the way She did?  Is there something to the story I don't know yet?  These are all questions I ask myself.  Once I can understand what it was that She reacted negatively towards, then I know what not to do the next time.

In other words, even if Mistress gets angry or cries, I do not look at Her any differently or lose any respect for Her whatsoever.  She is still and will always be my Goddess.  For me, I have limitless love and respect for Her and She is the greatest gift I could have ever hoped for.  It is my responsibility to serve Her to the best of my abilities and treat Her like the Goddess She is.  So if that means I have to listen to her vent, scream, or cry, I'll just do what I can to comfort Her and make Her feel better.


I think your sentiments are coming from the right place, but the wording is so utterly flowery and saccharine.  Let's defer the "disappointed your perfect Goddess" perspective and get right to the crux of the matter.

A mistress is a human being just like anybody else.  She owns her feelings, just as you own yours.  It may be true that you do something, inadvertently, that angers your mistress.  Likewise, it may also be true that from time-to-time your mistress makes a mistake that unintentionally angers you.  Mistakes and triggers happen from both sides.  That's real life and real people.  So you communicate to one another, apologize as necessary, move on, and try not to repeat the same patter again.

Empathy is a wonderful tool that all partners should learn.  If you make a mistake, inadvertently trigger anger in your partner, and/or fail to live up to a promise, accepting responsibility, apologizing, and showing empathy is not a bad place to start.  I've never equated this essential relationship skill as the domain of submissives.  Rather, this is a skill all partners have had in any successful, long-term relationship that I've ever been in.  And of course, whatever the infraction, equally important is that after the fact you show your partner you heard them and take steps to avoid the problem happening again.

Elan.



I'm sorry you view my words as "so utterly flowery and saccharine", Elan.  While I view Mistress through flowery, rose-colored glasses and love Her with all my heart, She is still human.  I stated everything you mentioned in your post, just in a more flowery and saccharine laced manner.

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RE: Controlling your buttons - 11/15/2007 6:40:06 AM   
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I am passionate, outspoken woman with real live emotions.  I'm not afraid to show them and I will never suppress them for fear that someone may see it or that someone might not be able to handle it.  I live my life with a submissive the same as I live every other moment in my life -- authentically.  My moments in BDSM aren't "roleplay", so I'm a human then, with feelings and emotions and reactivity, just as I am at any other point in my day.  If he chooses to be on that path with me, he knows this and embraces my genuine reactions and emotions.   We also communicate, so he knows that this is who and what I am, and we discuss the things that make us who we are -- the good and the bad.  I honestly feel that my emotions are a live part of who I am, and the expression of them shows how much investment I have in those around me.  Someone who cares for me, who is invested in me, and who wants to be a part of my life will accept that my emotions and reactivity is an exchange -- I want them to be as open with their feelings and passion as I am with them. 

It's risky to put your emotions out there.  You risk being judged; looked at as 'weak' or laughed at for being 'silly'.  It's a big responsibility to handle other people's emotions 'in the moment', whether they are a dominant or a submissive.  Most importantly, I think you run the risk leaving this life today with someone not knowing how you genuinely felt, reacted and cared for them being in your life if you don't share/express yourself (even the bad stuff.)  I know I don't want that to happen, but that's for each person to decide for themselves.

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