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Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 5:43:10 PM

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Two months into the school year, more than 2,000 students in this suburban county outside the nation's capital had yet to get the shots they needed to attend class. So the school system decided it was through playing nice.

Parents in Prince George's County have been ordered to appear at a special court hearing Saturday where they will be given a choice: Get their children vaccinated on the spot or risk up to 10 days in jail and fines.

It is one of the strongest efforts made by a U.S. school system to ensure its youngsters receive their shots.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071116/ap_on_re_us/shots_getting_tough

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 6:10:36 PM

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Hey This is a great concept. Let's lock up the parents of all the kids that didn't get their shots, take the kids away from them and put them in foster care, then charge all the parents with Child Endangerment and keep their kids in the state system away from those evil parents. this is a great way to build jobs (the legal industry, correctional industry and the child welfare industry). And lets just keep them all that way till the Supreme Court can decide the issue of what religions state that kids can't have immunizations (the burden of proof aspect required by the law for religious grounds).

I wonder who is backing this process? I mean really? Lets follow the money and find out.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 6:18:59 PM

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That HepB vaccine is a pain (no puns intended). It take 6 months to complete the series of 3 injections. And some folks found that the chicken pox vaccine may wear off after 6 years or so.

As a side note, when I went to engineering school full-time (1991) I had to get my MMR updated. There was a measles outbreak the year before - due to people who never got vaccinated as kids. So us old fogies had to get MMR again, along with the standard TB test and proof of polio shots.

Don't know how these guys have the authority to fine or imprison folks.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 6:32:19 PM

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Just as a side note...children die from those diseases… the children of parents that don’t get their kids vaccinated may be endangering their own children and deserve to be fined. Not only that but their children could be infecting others.

It is however their ultimate choice… but it is down right stupid not to protect your children. At the very least the unvaccinated children should not be allowed in day care or school until they are.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 6:44:04 PM

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When I was a kid,they wouldn`t let you attend school w/ out your shots.

That should be enough to motivate parents.This won`t stand a challenge.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 6:54:56 PM

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I did not have a problem vaccinating Mine when they were little and it was time. I did not do it because the state mandated it (I actually homeschooled for four years). I did it because I checked the facts and determined that the minimal risk was far outweighed by the healthy benefits. They are fine and all grown up now. I gew up when there were very few vaccinations available. I had every childhood disease, one on top of the other, and almost failed first grade because I was hardly ever there. So I had some personal experience that influenced My decision to vaccinate. However, as a young parent, I had a couple of friends who did not vaccinate, as they had a different view.
I suspect that most of the lack of vaccinations is due to laziness and scheduling problems. If parents are not pushed, they are not going to get around to it. But, most probably, the largest percentage of these unvaccinated students would be vaccinated pronto if the parents had to figure out daycare while they couldn't be in school. For the few who have true objection to being forced to vaccinate, I say, respect that and their's just don't get to attend school.
Our public school system is just that. Public, for the benefit of all and supported by taxes. The state can make the rules. That's the cost of relying on the public school system. Ya can't have it both ways.
What they should not do is force the parents into a court and then fine and /or jail them for not complying. The consequence should be removal from the school system. Put the burden on the parents, where it belongs, instead of stepping in and taking over.
Fines and jail? Wake up, please! *Sigh*

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 7:15:56 PM

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All 3 of my um's attended school in Maryland, and at that time they weren't even allowed to enroll if their shots weren't up to date. Considering the state of the schools there, it's a real shame that teachers and school administrators have to give so much time to something that should be done anyway, barring religious/physical restrictions, instead of what they really need -- a good, quality education. i ended up pulling my middle um out at 15 because i discovered, much to my dismay, that he couldn't read worth a damn. He had a great spoken vocabulary, smart as a tack, so we were shocked to say the least. We changed school districts for the youngest, which was our only recourse, since by then i was working full time out side of our home and home schooling really wasn't an option.

The District of Columbia had the same problem a few years ago, but they did the same thing that Maryland is doing now, and while there are tons and tons of problems there, at least they seem to have gotten this problem taken care of -- for now..lol.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 7:21:32 PM

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This is beyond simple to get around, in Maryland or any other state. One only needs to fill out the paper work (one page) that acknowledges that you have religious objections and you need not comply.

Then... if you so choose.... go get the shotrs anyway.

easy peasy

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 8:04:57 PM

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It's been ages since i had my UM given her last shot, and i gather there are new vaccinations available now, but i seem to remember warnings from my doctor that she might get flu, or worse, from the injections. Holding her down so they could be administered was one of my worst memories of raising her.

The school district is going too far, threatening jail. Just prevent the kids from attending school -- business as usual. As far as i know there's no epidemic going on in MD.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 9:09:27 PM

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i think part of the problem is not so much scheduling, but talk shows that talk about those affected by the "risk" side of getting a shot, and the fact that this generation has not seen, up close and personal, the effects of some of these diseases -- like our parents and grandparents did.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 9:31:32 PM

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Threatening to fine and jail parents who don't vaccinate is flat out wrong. A few years ago, pharmaceutical companies were using Thimerosal, a Mercury componant in childhood vaccines as a preservative. At a Georgia conference, epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten told health officials and government scientists of his finding that "a mercury based substance in the vaccines - thimerosal - appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism." The CDC paid the institute of medicine to conduct a new study to whitewash the risks of thimerosal, ordering researchers to rule out the chemical's link to autism. Scientists were told Verstraeten's research had vanished. Once the new study was out, the pharmaceutical companies thought they were home free. Then an attorney obtained the private report. Parents of autistic children were outraged and many filed lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies. President Bush used the threat of biological weapons as an excuse to put a provision in the Homeland Security Act that prevents parents of autistic children from suing over vaccinations that contained the mercury componant thimerosal. If thimerosal doesn't cause autism, why the need for the provision? Supposedly, vaccines no longer contain thimerosal, but some parents may still hesitate. I just can't believe any state government has the nerve to make such threats to parents after millions of children were pumped full of mercury.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 10:28:04 PM

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They were pumped FULL of mercury?

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 11:33:36 PM

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defiant, you know about this too ?

everybody, why is it that we are not allowed to develop our own immune systems as nature intended ?

Follow the money.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 11:39:21 PM

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Because kids start dying again from diseases that were controlled decades ago. The developing your own immune system theory is fine until your child develops polio or tuberculosis, or catches diptheria. Vaccinations are contriversial, but some diseases can easily be controlled, and should be.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/16/2007 11:58:39 PM

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i can't imagine not getting vaccinated ( might have something to do with my OCD but i'm not sure) i'm sure the children won't immediately end up in the system ( i've been in it and it is horrible..but the first option is usually relatives) but the kids should just get the shot. A little pain and discomfort is better then really really sick...right?

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/17/2007 6:31:52 AM

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I can understand why a vaccine is needed for a permanently crippling disease like polio, but my grandmother and all four of her brothers had the measles. None of them died or suffered any permanent damage. I guess the question is, would parents rather their children be sick for a couple of weeks or spend the rest of their lives with permanently disabling autism? I'm having a hard time believing the pharmaceutical companies took the mercury componant out of vaccines, despite what they say. Otherwise, the number of children with autism would be decreasing.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/17/2007 6:47:41 AM

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My one job paid for the Hep shots. They are costly. [$200 at the time] I would do it again. It is a wise thing to have.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/17/2007 6:52:25 AM

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Saturday UPDATE:

This morning, on the local news, they said that the parents of over 1600 children had received a "notice to Appear" at the county courthouse, and set up a clinic on site so kids could get their shots. Hundreds have shown up, most complaining they hadn't had enough notice..oyyyy!!! LOL!!

In another story, one of Maryland's National Guard units is home after a year in Iraq. Their commander's voice cracked when he was thanking their families, bringing tears (i would think) to all of us watching, as did the story on the Homeless Walk that's taking place in DC this morning -- they raised 8 million dollars last year.

(and lots of other stories that help to make me thankful for those blessing i have..)

Happy Saturday, y'all :)

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/17/2007 6:56:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I can understand why a vaccine is needed for a permanently crippling disease like polio, but my grandmother and all four of her brothers had the measles. None of them died or suffered any permanent damage. I guess the question is, would parents rather their children be sick for a couple of weeks or spend the rest of their lives with permanently disabling autism? I'm having a hard time believing the pharmaceutical companies took the mercury componant out of vaccines, despite what they say. Otherwise, the number of children with autism would be decreasing.

There's no conclusive data that thimerosol causes autism. There are several reasons for the increase in autism rates: 1) the criteria has been broadened dramatically (used to be only sever cases were counted, and now there are a whole range of conditions that fall under "autism"; 2) there are so many programs to help parents with autism that they would rather have that diagnosis than developmentally delayed, ADHD, etc.

Scientific American had a great issue on autism in Nov 2006. Researches found that a class of neurons called "mirror neurons" are missing from the brains of people with autism (the article is available for purchase online, but your local library should have it.) This is something you're born with, so vaccines would have no effect. And there are some improved measurement techniques that show abnormalities in their brains from an very early age.

Vaccines were blamed for autism out of a coincidence: the age of onset or diagnosis happens to be around the age you get vaccines.

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RE: Maryland: vaccinate your child or go to jail? - 11/17/2007 8:06:21 AM

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Mercury componant Thimerosal doesn't cause autism? If that's the case, then why the need for a provision in the National Security Act to prevent lawsuits? Also, a UPI reporter conducted his own study by comparing a large group of Amish who don't believe in vaccination to the general population. Only four autistics were found when there should have been 130. Three of the four had been vaccinated (adoption or becoming Amish later) and the fourth one had been exposed to high levels of mercury at a power plant. I'm not saying you're wrong. Maybe mercury destroys "mirror neurons." Oh, and there is conclusive data. Andy Waters, an attorney of the Waters & Kraus Law Firm has it.

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