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Lkg4MstrSacramen -> Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 10:46:31 AM)

What about these men here who are proclaiming to be dominant, and feel this excuses them from any sort of personal politness or common courtesies?

I for one feel genuinely sorry for the "new ones" who run into these guys and think this is the "way it is".

So question for the group when you declare yourself dominant; does that mean you are excused from being polite?




mnottertail -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 10:48:02 AM)

I am just an impolite sort of motherfucker, has nothing to do with dominance.

Ron




Jeffff -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 10:49:02 AM)

Yeah what Ron said

Jeff




ownedgirlie -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 10:51:01 AM)

LOL Ron took the words from my mouth...sort of.  Some people just have that make up about them.  There are just as many dominants who I might say are "too" polite.  It depends on what one is looking for.

I've run into Dominants and submissives alike - both men and women in both categories - who lack basic etiquette.  It's the way of the land, I suppose.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 10:51:25 AM)

There are submissives who think that they dont have to bother being polite becasue they are submissive and it isnt expected that they have manners before they are trained. There are Dominants that dont bother with it becasue its a handy excuse. And there are of course, those who dont believe the usual rules for courtesy extend to the internet

It takes all kinds

DV




bipolarber -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 10:52:15 AM)

I've always felt that, if you are going to be someone's superior, you should act in a superior manner.

(Just tell the new ones to stay off the "fantasy planet" parts of the Message Boards... that's where the worst of it seems to happen.)




tdslittlehelper -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:01:20 AM)

My Sir is Dominate and is polite and kind and in fact I feel that I have learned from Him how to bite my tounge when we are out and another Dom was RUDE to the waiter RUDE.. I didn't say anything to the other Dom (which before I was collared I would have because quite frankly waiters are PEOPLE) but I knew how my Sir expects polite manners.  P.S.  I wrote the waiter a note on the back of my bill and it said "I am sorry he was such an ass, you are a great waiter."  and tipped him 5 times the tip.  My Sir thought that was a great way to handle it.  So, there are two Dominates that both had different behaviors in public.





toservez -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:03:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

There are submissives who think that they dont have to bother being polite becasue they are submissive and it isnt expected that they have manners before they are trained. There are Dominants that dont bother with it becasue its a handy excuse. And there are of course, those who dont believe the usual rules for courtesy extend to the internet

It takes all kinds

DV



I tend to agree with this. Often like most things in life people act a certain way because that is how they are then they just work back into a belief or theory to make their preference or behavior ok. This life tends to lend itself to make things much easier on people like this from both genders and roles, just different ways.




fairerthanshe -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:07:19 AM)

Greetings DV,

so...would it be horribly impolite to growl at your photo??? 

winks ~ fairer




IrishMist -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:07:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am just an impolite sort of motherfucker, has nothing to do with dominance.

Ron

LMFAO Ron...





emdoub -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:10:51 AM)

Personally, I *love* the rude, annoying dominants.  It make me look so much better by comparison - so don't clue them in, okay?[;)]




ctrlaltdelete -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:11:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lkg4MstrSacramen
What about these men here who are proclaiming to be dominant, and feel this excuses them from any sort of personal politness or common courtesies?

So question for the group when you declare yourself dominant; does that mean you are excused from being polite?


I would say that you stated the crux of the matter right there in your questions. There is a world between "being dominant" (i.e., an innate propensity) and "declaring yourself dominant" (i.e., chasing after a trendy vogue thing).

Maybe someone should check in the latest edition of "I Am Dominate" For Dummies as to whether rude behavior was recommended as the first required characteristic when declaring oneself dominant.




MasterMike04103 -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:12:21 AM)

Ok I am going to get flamed for this one but...

There are two kinds of Tops, there are the Dominants and the Dominates. I am going to try my best to discribe both of them for the masses.

Dominants are ususally well versed in manners, protocal and ettiquete. They have been trained by someone, have paid their dues to the community and know how to tactfully handle most any situation that might arise. This type of person whether Sadistic or not will show everyone they come in contact with, curtisy, respect, and class.

Dominates, these are the people who have the "its my way" mentality, although they might also be well veresed in education both in and out of the lifestyle. This type tends to have the egocentric personality and think they are the god/dess of what ever they see and hold. I say this bacause Dominant is a title while Dominate is a verb. The Dominate is usually all for show but doesn't always have the cooth of tact thats needed for some circumstances.

Mike




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:15:37 AM)

That's simply your opinion only and is not true universally or across the board.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterMike04103

Ok I am going to get flamed for this one but...

There are two kinds of Tops, there are the Dominants and the Dominates. I am going to try my best to discribe both of them for the masses.

Dominants are ususally well versed in manners, protocal and ettiquete. They have been trained by someone, have paid their dues to the community and know how to tactfully handle most any situation that might arise. This type of person whether Sadistic or not will show everyone they come in contact with, curtisy, respect, and class.

Dominates, these are the people who have the "its my way" mentality, although they might also be well veresed in education both in and out of the lifestyle. This type tends to have the egocentric personality and think they are the god/dess of what ever they see and hold. I say this bacause Dominant is a title while Dominate is a verb. The Dominate is usually all for show but doesn't always have the cooth of tact thats needed for some circumstances.

Mike





Lkg4MstrSacramen -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:16:23 AM)

yep this guy has a sense of humor and that is a good thing.At least you know who you are, right?




quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am just an impolite sort of motherfucker, has nothing to do with dominance.

Ron

LMFAO Ron...






goodgirl08 -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:16:25 AM)

That is the beautiful thing about self identity. Anyone can call themselves a Dominant, and if they don't want to be held accountable for rudeness, in their head they don't have to. They can block anyone who challenges them, and they can make their own rules. The little worlds that we can all freely build up for ourselves are pretty fascinating in that way.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:16:58 AM)

Thank you, Mike. 

And Ron, right back at ya, you hot old mofo!




sazmira -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:31:23 AM)

People are people on either side of the hitty stick.




MasterMike04103 -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:31:37 AM)

For the people who have and will say that my opinion is wrong:

There is a little known or should I say accepted secret in the world of BDSM. This magical peice of knowledge is: Submissives have more power than Dominants. Now before you flame this post all to hell, let me post a essay on the topic I wrote while back. After you read it, come back and talk to me.


The Ultimate Submission

I know by the title some of you might think you know what I am about to say, but I assure you, unless you are sitting here with me as I compose this essay, you surely do not. As I have gotten to know quite a few members of the BDSM community around my home state, as well as some from around the world, I have learned one important lesson: the greatest gift of submission is not when a person who identifies as a sub kneels and accepts a collar, nor is it the extreme maso-slave who is has a "leather ass;" what it truly is, is the Dominant person of the relationship accepting the submissive person in whatever his or her state of mental, emotional and physical conditioning.

Ask a thousand people the same question and you will get a thousand different answers. I say this because in our lifestyle it is what the couple or "family" makes it. Families in this lifestyle, however, are a totally different story which I might attempt to touch on in the future, but for now, I am going to break down the roles of Dominant and Submissive for the masses. To do this I am going to simply take what is common knowledge about our lifestyle and mix it with a bit of psychology, shake it over ice and strain into a martini glass, for what I like to call... Dominants are submissive too.

For some people in our lifestyle, being a Dominant is purely for their own self gain. We call these ego-driven people "Dominates," because they have a way of taking anything from our lifestyle and twisting it in such a way that it is to the point of cartoon humor. Take your average online-only Dominate, Lord High Grand Master Zeus: he is the ruler of all he sees, and on his home planet he is king of all he can put his pecker against. Once this person finds that he has picked through all the new meat, he changes his name to something equally as ridiculous and repeats the cycle. As comical as these people are, you truly can find them at munches as well as online cyber rooms. They make up a small percentage of the true ranks.

Other people perceive a Dominant person as a person who has a ton of experience and toys, judging the Dominance by the number of floggers in their toy bag rather than by the skill of which they use them. I like to call these the compensationalists, as they try to overcompensate for their lack of skills with flashy talk and large quantities of toys. These are often the ones who show up to an event stag and prey on the younger fresh meat, and we lovingly call them chicken hawkers. More experienced lifestylers will see these people as a threat and make it known that a person of their nature is not safe to any and all newcomers at the event.

Now that I have covered the nastiness of our lifestyle, at least as far as Dominates are concerned, I would like to look at your everyday lifestyle Dom -- the natural dominant. This person feels as comfortable being a companion as they do being the controller of power and all decisions. With that said, I would like to take a quick moment to go back to a statement I made in a previous paragraph. Dominants are submissive... Yup, I said it, and I stand by it with all the fibers in my body. A person like me who identifies as a Dominant and is respected as one, not only by my partner but by members and peers in the greater kink community, is truly submissive to our partner. No, it is not the typical role you think of when you think of Dom and sub couples, but trust me... it is true.

Think about this for a moment: as a Dominant, I am responsible for the safety of my submissive, for making all the final decisions in both of our lives. That is just the tip of the ice berg, in my opinion. To get my submissive to the point that I was able to offer a collar of any kind took a lot of work from me, which I hate to tell you Doms, is an act of service and submission. Going out and finding all the info and double checking that you agree with what the authors touch on is a huge job. You don't ask yourself to do this do you, Doms? No, the submissive asks it of you and without thinking you jump and get on it. See what I am saying, gang? They have us by the balls and they don't even know it most of the time.

Really, though, Doms, we are in control of a lot of power, which affects not only the sub but the Dom and the community as well. I firmly believe that, as much as we love being in control and being Dominant in their lives, without them and their gift, we are nothing but a bunch of kinky people with a huge investment in metals and leather. It was once said, "Behind every good man is a great woman." I think that behind every good Dominant person there is a even greater submissive partner allowing them to be who and what they are.

At any moment, the sub in your life, assuming you have one, could turn to you and say, "I'm done being your submissive. Go find someone else." For whatever reasons the submissive gives, it all boils down to the Dominant not succumbing to the true needs of the submissive. This again shows how the Dominant is really the one who must bow at times to the needs of another. If you don't believe what I am saying here as gospel, just go to any of the fetish dating sites like Collarme and Alt dot com, look at all the single Doms out there, and then compare that number to single submissives. In short, it is our job to take care of the needs, wants and desires of the submissive so that we as Doms can get all that we want out of our relationship with them.

I know by now if you are still reading this, you are saying, "Mike, you are a nut job. How can you expect me to believe all this bull crap you have just written?" Well, it is quite simple. When you find a submissive, try doing whatever you want with them and after a while, if you disregard their needs, you will be sitting on Alt dot com trolling for a new one because the submissive holds the power. Without the magical gift, Dominants are nothing. End of story. I know it is a hard pill to swallow at times but we are not talking anything more than a give and take. Even Doms, I am afraid, have to follow this rule and give a lot before they are able to take anything.

A D/s relationship on an intimate level is nothing more than a partnership. My girlfriend is also my submissive, and in all honesty, there are nights when we are together that I don't want to be Daddy Mike, the Dom. No, I want to be Boyfriend Mike, her lover and best friend. I have, on occasion, told my sub to take off her collar for this very reason and I am not ashamed to say so. I am a human, not some war machine that the lit-erotica crowd has conjured up in their fiction. I am sure that by now some of you out there are searching for a way to kill me because I am being honest and truthful. I am not making the typical stand that Dominates make. Hell, I challenge any one of the people reading this to prove me wrong. Go for it, I dare you, because deep down we all know that it is human nature to help and be helped, to love and to be loved. We in the lifestyle have just added in the sado-masochistic side to the dice of life.

Mike




Estring -> RE: Dominant because you say so? (11/20/2007 11:34:48 AM)

Are we talking about Dominants or Dominates?




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