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Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 6:04:15 AM   
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Once a Master has lost your trust do you think it is possible to trust Him again ? Do you consider the possibility ?  How do you forget the past transgression?

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 6:07:52 AM   
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Once a Master has lost your trust do you think it is possible to trust Him again ? Do you consider the possibility ?  How do you forget the past transgression?

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It really depends on what he did. Your question is too vague for a yes or no answer.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 6:08:18 AM   
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What is the trust issue exactly?  If a sub were to cheat on me, no.  There are different things that would make me rethink a relationship.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 6:10:03 AM   
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It depends on you & him, the infraction, the ability to forgive & move on, how important the matter was to each one on a personal level.

For some reason, I feel compelled to add in here too, that very often, it is easy to lose trust in one's Dominant.  You could ask yourself if you felt you were able to trust him with the truth in the matter before or after it happened?  Ask yourself if you are truely the one who needs forgiveness? 

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 6:18:45 AM   
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quote:

For some reason, I feel compelled to add in here too, that very often, it is easy to lose trust in one's Dominant.  You could ask yourself if you felt you were able to trust him with the truth in the matter before or after it happened?  Ask yourself if you are truely the one who needs forgiveness? 

You know, I am the first to admit that very rarely do I ever think about that. It's good advice; very nice.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 8:07:46 AM   
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I agree that it matters on the transgression...  Broke a hard limit without previous discussion?  I would recommend never trusting them again and finding someone else who can respect limits and not just consider them annoyances.

They didn't tell you that they were going to play with their other sub on Tuesday instead of Thursday?  They didn't tell you that their other sub was moving in with them and you don't live with them?  These aren't necessarily items that fall under the trust arena, they fall under the "I need to know everything" arena and might be going too far.

Is this a rhetorical question or is there an actual situation involved?  Also, if there is a real situation involved, do you really want our answers or are you just venting?  I know that I'd probably just be venting and even if everyone here said that I was being an irrational twit to trust or not trust someone, I would trust or not trust them based upon my judgements, not based upon what anyone on a forum said.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 8:14:22 AM   
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Good answer Solinear...no would never decide just from reading a post..however it is very informative to seek out others point of views........ And yes it is a real situation...............

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 8:17:43 AM   
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Had never had reson to doubt Him in the past.............never once do I feel I was ever lied too................nonetheless something is off................Just a gut instinct something I never experienced before..............

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 8:24:02 AM   
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i find more times than not when i didn't listen to my gut instinct i regretted it.  Why not just be honest with this person and communicate with them what your feeling?

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 8:34:29 AM   
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It seems to me the issue may be with you rather than with him. Your gut feeling is just that - nothing tangible. Until you actually start talking, then and only then can you bring up any trust issues. You don't mention any real transgressions so not much to go on. I personally never trust my gut - I would rather hear the other side of the story if there is one.



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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 8:39:00 AM   
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Trust is an essential core element required for two or more parties to enter into and develop a good, strong, lasting relationship. If trust is missing, then the relationship suffers; thereby, both parties eventually suffer.

If one party to a relationship breaks that essential trust, then the happiness within the relationship quickly begins to deteriorate. If the trust deteriorates without the other party doing anything to cause such a demise, then the initial party should look deep within, since there probably exist issues from empirical influences which may be the actual causation of the deterioration.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 9:20:41 AM   
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Don't know about trust... I do know that it's possible to look at all the facts, including what makes me happy and what doesn't, and make the decision that he's worth so much more than just walking away.

So, my way of doing things is to get what needs to be talked about talked out to the point that both people feel heard and a resolution is reached that both can live with, and then, I drop it. This doesn't mean it can't be mentioned again as if it somehow didn't happen, but it can be approached as a part of our entire lives together, not as a weapon to wield against him for all time.

And once I've made my decision and we've done the talking that's necessary, I stand by my decision (afterall, it is MY decision to stay) and we move forward from there.

I've found that trust is not quick in coming and that there's this thought in the back of my head from time to time when I'm not feeling so strong, but these days, instead of that thought making me sad or angry, it's an opportunity to take a good look at the relationship I'm in and recommit all over again to a man who has it in him to be imperfect and still the perfect man for me.

So... is it possible? Yes, but not as a condition to continued interaction with him. It's more a result of continued interaction with him. (meaning you have to decide for yourself without waiting for some amorphous "proof" and then work from there.)

Do you consider the possibility? For me, absolutely - even though I wasn't sure at first if I wanted to or could. But I did and that was many years ago. I've never been sorry.

How do you forget the past transgression? You don't. I put it in the category of things remembered and understand that no one is perfect. I look at the entire man, see the good, the not so good and the just plain bad and make a determination from there to stay if on the whole, I'm happy. And for a while -  a long while - I watch. I make myself fully present in the moment and leave the future to the future. As time passes, the "transgression" takes on less importance as over and over again, without me demanding or requesting or anything like that, he shows me that he meant what he said when we were talking this all out.

And I move on from there.

That's what I did. And know what? I thoroughly love the fact that I choose to submit to someone who is not perfect. I think on some level, I like that it's a harder row to hoe and that we've been successful. I like that when I say "I submit" I know that I'm doing so with the full knowledge that I can be hurt, that I have been hurt and that we've overcome all of that. For some reason, I think (contrary to many others who say these things are deal breakers) that problems like this, while having the potential to ruin us, have tempered our relationship and like steel, have created something much stronger than it was when we first began.

I'll admit there is this desire to still be able to approach him and us from a place of innocent trust, but I really do like much more the fact that I can trust him knowing full well what he's capable of. Most of all though, I like the idea that I trusted myself to make a decision and that it was a wise one.

You will never be able to control his actions, and if what you're feeling is true, you may be hurt badly, but to make the decision to stick it out just may be a life changing one as it was for me.

And seriously, do you really want to be able to control his actions?  I didn't, so the only thing I could do was control mine. I decided to stay. What I like best about this course of action is that if I ever do decide to leave, or if he decides to leave me...I won't be thinking myself the fool. Cause it was ME who decided to stay, regardless of his actions.

Since then, I've thought about back then often, and each time, I'm so utterly grateful we had that event in our lives. It made me realize with amazing clarity just how much he meant to me. (I think it also helped him to realize that I mean what I say and don't try to play games with thinly veiled attempts at underhanded control. When I say I can't do something, it means I can't...not that I'm telling him I won't.)

Since then, I don't think a day has passed since then where I've taken him or our relationship for granted. I know what's possible and am happy that so far, we've achieved what others have claimed is the impossible.

juliet

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 9:55:26 AM   
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Oh yea.. I should also add that I too had those "gut instincts" prior to discovering everything. Even if I'd have recognized and listened to them, the end result would have been the same.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 12:03:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: silentfire

Once a Master has lost your trust do you think it is possible to trust Him again ? Do you consider the possibility ?  How do you forget the past transgression?

silent.................



I think it all depends on what caused the breach in trust.  All relationships have ups and downs.  Sometimes the fact that they hang in there and work on overcoming the difficulties rebuilds trust and increases it.  However, there are certainly things I can conceive of that I would never feel safe to trust again should they happen.  I don't think we ever forget past transgressions, but do we forgive them is the real question.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 12:38:56 PM   
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Some people are very good at letting go of the past.  Most people nurse grudges for years.  My last slave fit into the later category, and it just made things a lot worse over time.

You have to ask yourself if it's worth remaining with the man or not.  If you don't think you can give up on your own issue of forgiving and moving on, then I'd say you're doing yourself and your dominant a favor by moving on.  Having said that, everyone makes mistakes; learning to move past those mistakes is a necessary part of all healthy relationships.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 1:02:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: silentfire
Just a gut instinct something I never experienced before..............


I make it a rule to listen to gut feelings, they generally prove to be telling you *something*. However it's that *something* that is in question. I've had gut feelings friends were hiding something from me, half interrogated them on it and found out they were planning a surprise for me.

Listen to your gut feelings, but don't base all your judgements solely on them.


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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 1:19:12 PM   
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I think it's more a repeated breaking of trust that makes it a deal-breaker, than a one-time thing you work through together.  Leaving out extreme circumstances, I don't think there's ever been a time in my life where I didn't go with a second chance (and sometimes, stupidly, third and fourth and fifth...). 

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 1:24:01 PM   
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Trust can absolutely be regained...but its HARD...and the person who did the "breaking" needs to be willing to do whatever it takes....for AS LONG as it takes to get your trust back.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 1:26:15 PM   
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Talk to him about it, tell him your feelings. This works well especially if you have an idea of what might seem off to you. Either way he should be understanding and try to console. If he freaks out, thats usually a tale-tell sign he's hiding somthing. But thats just my personal experiences.

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RE: Its a Matter Of Trust - 11/23/2007 1:48:47 PM   
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I forgive pretty easily (gullible is another word i've been called..lol) but i agree it would depend on the what, why, how and who.

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