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GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? (11/23/2007 3:34:18 PM)
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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
True, but if you "catch" them enough to give them food and water, however minimal, you could also lace it with some sort of tranquilizer and have them taken back unconscious...(And hopefully some kind of contraceptive could also be added)
They are not empowered to do such a thing. This is precisely why people have no right to call the Minutemen "vigilantes" (in the negative sense of the word). They are simply picking up the slack that those in power are refusing to pick up. They are reporting and then they hope for the best. And I would hope you do not wish to live in a country that thinks that this is okay. For it could be you next, for whatever reason, who becomes undesireable and then they might be putting a tanquilizer in your food so that you can be rendered incapaable of procreating.
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If you believe they are human, they need to face the consequences of crossing illegally, since that is a CHOICE...If they are simply animals, shrug, turn your back, and let Darwin's Will be done...
Yes, but those consequences do not need to be a yell out that "I will be reporting you and I hope you die of thirst before they catch you" kind of consequence. Believe Me, these people try to avoid the Minutemen so they will not be reported and have a better chance of making it all the way in. They are not seeking out crossing areas where they know thy will be there because they can get food and water. I only brought that up to show that these "vigilantes" are not necessarily hearltess s.o.b.'s. They are just trying to help the situation in some small way. There is a lot of misinformation out there ergarding these volunteers. Either people love them because they assume they are going to chase them back across the border at gunpoint, or they hate them because they assume that they are going to chase all those "poor, poor" people back across the border at gunpooint. *Sigh* The reality is much different, I assure you!
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I myself, notice that they attack and rob Americans, sometimes just raiding, stealing what they want and retreating back into Mexico, who will protect them, and other times, doing a long-con, taking money from America and siphoning it into Mexico. (Not to mention their more subtle larcenies of our welfare, educational, medical, and prison systems) Yet no matter how much they steal, it makes no improvement in Mexico and does NOT diminish the number of invaders...indeed, some might even say they increased (Including the illegals themselves, when they "show their strength" in our streets!) Because of that, they are either sociopathic as a "class", or just feral humanoids--dangerous animals that need to be treated--well, like dangerous animals!
No, it does not make a difference in Mexico, because other than the families who are now receiving American dollars from across the border who can now buy more food, there is no reall change in Mexico. We are just allowing the redistribution of American wealth ( something many are for in these forums) to cross into another country or countries. And we do allow it. The American people have squashed attempts at new amnesty bills. We need to understand the power we have and begin using it more effectively. It does no good to complain about things, unless you are willing to do something about it. And that something does not need to be shooting a gun at anyone you think is illegal. It is, however, within our power to refuse to support it with tax dollars and dollars in the private sector. Just once I would like to see the American public, as a whole. refuse to pay income tax for one year. They already managed to get around that though with automatic witholding. And with automatic billing of other taxes included as part of our utility bills. And with automatic adding on of sales tax to every single purchase. Everybody needs to remember that every single time they go into a voting booth and say "yes" to the next tax increase. It is requested in many instances, and we always say yes... or we don't make our views known at all. Congress has to pass any income tax increases. They are supposed to be representing us...do we get on the horn and tell our representatives "No"? We dont'...or at least not enough us us do. Why is that?
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As to their children, I sincerely doubt any American FORCED them to have children, so the children are THEIR responsibility, not America's! And yes, I know about their hijacking of the 14th Amendment, and their use of their children as anchors and/or sympathy props when caught, "But you're breaking up our family!"...Again, choice is theirs, punishment should be equal, not lessened simply because they "can't keep it in their pants", I think the cliche is?
I said aboslutely nothing regarding children being used as a means to stay in this country. I did state that I did not think children should have to be forced to thirst to death in the desert because their parents made an unwise choice. Once they are here, whether the children were born here or came with the parents, I feel the entire family should be deported. That is My opinion, and I do not feel that I am being cruel in feeling that way.
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Corporations from DELL to Zenith have factories in Mexico, so they need not invade America for a job! How many jobs must we outsource to prevent them from showing up here?
I don't feel we have any obligation to outsource anything. Outsourcing is done for one reason, and one reason only. The corporate interests have a better profit margin by doing so and they have laws in effect that allow them to do so and import their products back to the USA for American consumption. We are not outsourcing to help another country. If that is a by product, that is just extra. I have never been of the belief that any corporation is outsourcing out of the goodness of their hearts. So this is a non-arugment for Me.
What we need to do in order to have them "stop showing up here" is to not have any jobs available here, in this country! This does not mean we are obligated to have jobs for them in their own country. If it is no longer attractive for illegals to get here...then, guess what? They won't come here! If severe penalties start being enforced towards those who hire illegal immigrants, then guess what? They won't.
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The, "For a better life" excuse is specious, since a bank-robber or drug-dealer could justify their crimes that same way...And I just covered why the, "For the sake of the children" excuse is invalid.
Moreover, once here, they treat it as their "right" to corrupt and destroy our neighborhoods, burden our schools with children that don't have any intention of learning, bring drugs, disease, and violence to our lands.
If you believe America is inherently a better nation, then we owe it to ourselves to keep the bad ones out...If you say that America already has criminals, I agree, therefore we don't need more. Furthermore, if Mexico's rejects can no longer escape into America, then Mexico will be FORCED to make the necessary reforms to make life "bearable" for them down there...After all, America--despite being the ones invaded by their rejects--CANNOT force them to shape up; that would be imperialist![;)]
Mexico isn't going to be forced to do anyting unless the people rise up and force the issues. We have many people entering this country illegally who are not criminals, or intend for their children to be criminals. We are not just taking Mexico's "rejects". We are taking all sorts of good people who think this is the way they can better themselves. I agree that they then demand the same rights and insist that they are entitled, when they aren't. Frankly, none of us are entitled. I hate that word. But our safety nets, which are already being abused to the hilt by legal citizens are now being strained to the breaking point so we can also take care of the illegal residents.
Simple solution...if they cannot achieve the "better life" here, they will not come. I am not sure how many ways I can say it and get anyone to understand. Why are you arguing with Me? Over a bottle of water in the desert? Jeez!
Even if we are going to deport them by the busload, and that does happen here...we still give them a meal before the long trip back. C'mon down here and live in Phoenix for 3 months...preferably in June, July and August. I dare you!
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