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Here's a suggestion, which is likely unlawful, but food for thought.

If the guys in the video were so pissed off, why not just call the local PD non-emergency #, and LIE.

Tell them that YOU are the Home Depot General Manager, and you have these illegals trespassing in your parking lot.

Watch hilarity ensue.

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Yeh well this whole thing is called "civil unrest"

when you have a government that is doing what they are hired for in the dirst place you dont get this sort of citizen uprising.

Personally i think its good and it should happen everywhere so its not an isolated incident.  that way our blind deaf and dumb government might hear how PISSED OFF WE ARE ABOUT ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY.


If the population of this country cant get something done about the problem civily as they have been doing with literally millions of faxes to congressmen AS HAS BEEN DONE stating how we dont want it how else do you suggest to get the peoples point across to our UNREPRESENTATIVE government?

Send more faxes?

Bravo to them for using corporate strategies against the corporation.

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/23/2007 9:35:08 PM


domiguy
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Status: online Most the people on this thread lack a certain type of common sense.....Incarcerate the illegals?...Stop them from crossing by any means possible?....Fuck you!!! That is what your government is telling you.

The majority of the people who cross are doing work that none of us.....NONE OF US would be willing to do. The economy would suffer dramatically with their removal...Obviously the government does not feel that their additional cost on our health care outweighs their economic benefit.

You can bitch about'em all you want....When you are done you can go outside and scream at the rain.....There are two solutions....1) A government who cares...2) A plan to severely punish employers who utilize illegals.

Personally I could give two squirts either way....But it amuses me to watch the brain trusts get into a twist because they want to hunt down and penalize the illegals one by one.....Good luck with that boys!!!! When you are done with this futile venture... I've got some sand that needs counting. It's amazing the lack of sense that the folks out here seem to aspire to.

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Most the people on this thread lack a certain type of common sense.....Incarcerate the illegals?...Stop them from crossing by any means possible?....Fuck you!!!  That is what your government is telling you.

The majority of the people who cross are doing work that none of us.....NONE OF US would be willing to do.  The economy would suffer dramatically with their removal...Obviously the government does not feel that their additional cost on our health care outweighs their economic benefit.

You can bitch about'em all you want....When you are done you can go outside and scream at the rain.....There are two solutions....1) A government who cares...2) A plan to severely punish employers who utilize illegals.

Personally I could give two squirts either way....But it amuses me to watch the brain trusts get into a twist because they want to hunt down and penalize the illegals one by one.....Good luck with that boys!!!!  When you are done with this futile venture... I've got some sand that needs counting.  It's amazing the lack of sense that the folks out here seem to aspire to.

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RE: Man on a mission or a**hole with an excuse? - 11/23/2007 9:35:08 PM


domiguy
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Posts: 4607
Joined: 5/2/2006
Status: online Most the people on this thread lack a certain type of common sense.....Incarcerate the illegals?...Stop them from crossing by any means possible?....Fuck you!!! That is what your government is telling you.

The majority of the people who cross are doing work that none of us.....NONE OF US would be willing to do. The economy would suffer dramatically with their removal...Obviously the government does not feel that their additional cost on our health care outweighs their economic benefit.

You can bitch about'em all you want....When you are done you can go outside and scream at the rain.....There are two solutions....1) A government who cares...2) A plan to severely punish employers who utilize illegals.

Personally I could give two squirts either way....But it amuses me to watch the brain trusts get into a twist because they want to hunt down and penalize the illegals one by one.....Good luck with that boys!!!! When you are done with this futile venture... I've got some sand that needs counting. It's amazing the lack of sense that the folks out here seem to aspire to.

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Most the people on this thread lack a certain type of common sense.....Incarcerate the illegals?...Stop them from crossing by any means possible?....Fuck you!!!  That is what your government is telling you.

The majority of the people who cross are doing work that none of us.....NONE OF US would be willing to do.  The economy would suffer dramatically with their removal...Obviously the government does not feel that their additional cost on our health care outweighs their economic benefit.

You can bitch about'em all you want....When you are done you can go outside and scream at the rain.....There are two solutions....1) A government who cares...2) A plan to severely punish employers who utilize illegals.

Personally I could give two squirts either way....But it amuses me to watch the brain trusts get into a twist because they want to hunt down and penalize the illegals one by one.....Good luck with that boys!!!!  When you are done with this futile venture... I've got some sand that needs counting.  It's amazing the lack of sense that the folks out here seem to aspire to.

I see your point and I agree.  I think its a more complicated issue than face value and has a lot to do with economics and the job market.  For instance in an area of the UK it is actually more financially viable to go on benefits than to get a job on minimum wage, so working full time would get you marginally more at £10 a week. I think that that there needs to be a good balance between the minimum wage and the benefits system and I think that might apply to where you mention those that do work that others wouldnt do.

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Most the people on this thread lack a certain type of common sense.....Incarcerate the illegals?...Stop them from crossing by any means possible?....Fuck you!!!  That is what your government is telling you.
The majority of the people who cross are doing work that none of us.....NONE OF US would be willing to do.  The economy would suffer dramatically with their removal...Obviously the government does not feel that their additional cost on our health care outweighs their economic benefit.

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BTW, you never did say why the "Jobs Americans Won't Do" (AT THOSE PRICES--would you be willing to take a 60% pay cut, even if you were allowed to "forget" to pay taxes on it?), or even when the "low prices" offered by the invaders will kick in!

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In another state in the past, Union Roofers were underbid on a job for a large building project by a company that used illegal alien labor.
The project was a few weeks away from completion.
Early one morning the building caught fire and burned down.
If you have fires on your building projects too many times you can't get construction insurance, the insurance that builders have on a property before they pass papers with the new owners.
If you can't get insurance you're screwed.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Here's a suggestion, which is likely unlawful, but food for thought.

If the guys in the video were so pissed off, why not just call the local PD non-emergency #, and LIE.

Tell them that YOU are the Home Depot General Manager, and you have these illegals trespassing in your parking lot.

Watch hilarity ensue.

Fargle, and if you see a bunch of illegals hanging out looking for work you can call the police and say the magic words; "man with a gun."

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Most the people on this thread lack a certain type of common sense
I can see you have finally recognized one of your major faults.

.....Incarcerate the illegals?...Stop them from crossing by any means possible?....Fuck you!!!  That is what your government is telling you.
No, the government is telling us what those who own them want them to tell us.

The majority of the people who cross are doing work that none of us.....NONE OF US would be willing to do.  The economy would suffer dramatically with their removal...Obviously the government does not feel that their additional cost on our health care outweighs their economic benefit.
There have been numerous studies that show unequivocally that illegal immigrants contribute more to the system than they take out.  If you spent as much effort in doing some basic research as you do with your vile denunciations you might learn something.

Of course they don't, they have a separate but BETTER retirement plan, unaffected by the millions of cockroaches streaming in...They get paid enough that health-care isn't a problem...I've even heard some of them having their OWN on-call doctors, and I bet that costs even more than normal health-care!
And as I said before, illegals are a sort of "defrayed cost" workforce: The cost is "defrayed" by having ALL of us pay it, rather than just the ones that use'em!
Yes that is how health care and all types of insurance work...everyone pays into it and the few who get sick are the ones who benifit...would you like to volunteer for some sort of infirmity so you too can use the system?


The idea that enforcing immigration laws will create a labor shortage amuses me.
It is a well known fact in the mental health field that the simple minded are easily amused.


What if it does? The greatest advantages made in the American economy were the result of labor shortages. Europe, with a surplus of cheap peasant labor, never invented the mechanical reaper.
It would seem painfully obvious that any item only needs to be invented once.

America HAD to. Making more efficient use of manpower, designing our society for easier maintenance, etc.--these are better solutions than opening the borders to large numbers of unskilled manual laborers, just so everybody can have the perfect lawn. The Open Borders crowd is the strangest combination of Hispanic activists and privileged white people it's possible to imagine. Greedy employers want to hire cheap maids and muscle, and everybody in Mexico just wants to take back what we took from Santa Anna. In the meantime, Mexico's borders with Central America are as tight as the Siefried Line.
Once again your knowledge of history seems to equal your lack of understanding of the English language.  The Siegfried Line offered less resistance to the allies than our boarder does to the illegal aliens.

They don't consider Guatemalans who steal across THEIR border "heroes."

And have you ever considered what America will look like after the invaders are done with it? Take a look at Los Angeles, and imagine that kind of crime rewritten across our whole country...Or think of a field picked clean by locusts...
It would appear that your knowledge of LA is limited to what you watch on TV.

After they ruin America, where will we go?
No it is people like you who ruin America with your viciousness and bigotry.

Mexico won't take us...Canada, for all that they love immigration, can't, and WON'T afford all of us cramming into THEIR land...Basically, we'll be considered imbeciles on a global scale for letting invading scum ruin our country without punishing them and/or fighting back! And noone will want US in THEIR country, despite the outpouring of support they show for the illegals in OURS!
Here is a novel idea...how about trying to get along with people who do not look like you.

BTW, you never did say why the "Jobs Americans Won't Do" (AT THOSE PRICES--would you be willing to take a 60% pay cut, even if you were allowed to "forget" to pay taxes on it?), or even when the "low prices" offered by the invaders will kick in!
You do not seem to have a very firm grasp on economics.  The simple way to do away with the "need" for illegal aliens is to raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour.  What employer would pay an illegal fifteen dollars when he could hire a citizen the same amount?  The reason there is a "need" for illegal labor is that citizens will not work for five bux an hour and illegals will.  As long as the government does not invoke "rico" or asset forfeiture then business will continue to hire illegals instead of citizens.
As long as you focus on the symptom and not the cause you will fail to slove the problem.

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And as I said before, illegals are a sort of "defrayed cost" workforce: The cost is "defrayed" by having ALL of us pay it, rather than just the ones that use'em!
Yes that is how health care and all types of insurance work...everyone pays into it and the few who get sick are the ones who benifit...would you like to volunteer for some sort of infirmity so you too can use the system?
Well, actually, I asked the doctor what would happen if I refused to pay. After he stopped laughing, he told me the hospital would seize my house, my car, all my worldly possessions...
Then I asked him how illegals get it for free...He looked and the ground, poking a loose thread with his foot for awhile before he muttered, "We can't track them"
So that is the problem: American's can be tracked, and held accountable, illegals can simply hit and run!
I mentioned to him that the hospital COULD go cash-up-front, like the local gas-stations, or since they can't be tracked, maybe they never really came to his hospital...He was rubbing his chin when I left...If we deny them services until they pay

What if it does? The greatest advantages made in the American economy were the result of labor shortages. Europe, with a surplus of cheap peasant labor, never invented the mechanical reaper.
It would seem painfully obvious that any item only needs to be invented once.
True, but then the other countries would be SO ashamed to use American technology!

America HAD to. Making more efficient use of manpower, designing our society for easier maintenance, etc.--these are better solutions than opening the borders to large numbers of unskilled manual laborers, just so everybody can have the perfect lawn. The Open Borders crowd is the strangest combination of Hispanic activists and privileged white people it's possible to imagine. Greedy employers want to hire cheap maids and muscle, and everybody in Mexico just wants to take back what we took from Santa Anna. In the meantime, Mexico's borders with Central America are as tight as the Siefried Line.
Once again your knowledge of history seems to equal your lack of understanding of the English language.  The Siegfried Line offered less resistance to the allies than our boarder does to the illegal aliens.
The fact that it put up ANY resistance is more than our border...Our border at least has hostile terrain in some parts, circumvented, of course, by "do-gooders" leaving out food&water for the strays!

They don't consider Guatemalans who steal across THEIR border "heroes."
And have you ever considered what America will look like after the invaders are done with it? Take a look at Los Angeles, and imagine that kind of crime rewritten across our whole country...Or think of a field picked clean by locusts...
It would appear that your knowledge of LA is limited to what you watch on TV.
No, also the newspaper, especially the story of the Mexican-"American" choosing to JOIN the marching of the illegals, rather than suppress it...Some say that dual heritages confuse people, they are constantly pressed to pick a side. His was worse: He had to pick which side of the border to be loyal to...he chose wrong...But there were no consequences for it!

After they ruin America, where will we go?
No it is people like you who ruin America with your viciousness and bigotry.
Well, I'm not the one speaking the wrong language, or demanding freebies from a country that hates me, nor arranging a huge march in their streets...Hell, some places--including some places IN MEXICO--are almost wholly subsidized by tourists who visit another country, but PAY THEIR OWN WAY!
(Which right now, is just about every country, including many in the US. Without this self-hatred, Americans would assert our rights against the invaders...)

Mexico won't take us...Canada, for all that they love immigration, can't, and WON'T afford all of us cramming into THEIR land...Basically, we'll be considered imbeciles on a global scale for letting invading scum ruin our country without punishing them and/or fighting back! And noone will want US in THEIR country, despite the outpouring of support they show for the illegals in OURS!
Here is a novel idea...how about trying to get along with people who do not look like you.
I will, as soon as they can learn our language, obey our laws, and--here's a novel idea--pay for the havoc their spawn cause! Or for the extra classrooms we need, more police, etc....Put a Stupidity Tax on translation of any official documents to non-English language...
This sounds very much like GoddessDustyGold's idea: Deny them services and they'll leave...Or they'll reveal their true colors as opportunistic parasites, and frightened citizens will either give the cops the authority to round'em up and ship'em back (With something to stop them from re-entering America), or they might do a DIY job...which would be MUCH less pleasant for all, including the LEGALS (Who can actually speak English somehow...heck, China, of all places, is recruiting professors from my alma mater to teach English over there!)

BTW, you never did say why the "Jobs Americans Won't Do" (AT THOSE PRICES--would you be willing to take a 60% pay cut, even if you were allowed to "forget" to pay taxes on it?), or even when the "low prices" offered by the invaders will kick in!
You do not seem to have a very firm grasp on economics.  The simple way to do away with the "need" for illegal aliens is to raise the minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour.  What employer would pay an illegal fifteen dollars when he could hire a citizen the same amount?  The reason there is a "need" for illegal labor is that citizens will not work for five bux an hour and illegals will.  As long as the government does not invoke "rico" or asset forfeiture then business will continue to hire illegals instead of citizens.
As long as you focus on the symptom and not the cause you will fail to slove the problem.
Well, let's assume our Corporate Masters are beyond the law, (Insert "Beyond Good And Evil" ref here)...But we CAN cutoff their limitless hordes of workers, and FORCE them to hire Americans! Or if they insist on hiring illegals, at least cut the line from the taxpayers...Make the Corporate Masters pay for their own "slave" illegals!
Under Pre-Civil War slavery, I was taught that the Owner was responsible for housing and feeding them, not the government...And if they couldn't read/understand contracts or documents, that was THEIR problem! After all, the illegals are trying to make a perversion of the Civil Rights movement! Despite such minor differences in circumstances as bringing themselves here wilfully and against OUR will, rather than being brought here against THEIR will!

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Well, actually, I asked the doctor what would happen if I refused to pay. After he stopped laughing, he told me the hospital would seize my house, my car, all my worldly possessions...
It would appear that your doctor is as ignorant of the law as you are.


Then I asked him how illegals get it for free
You "know" that illegals get it for free.  How do you know this?  This is suppose to be a discussion not "tell me a story"

...He looked and the ground, poking a loose thread with his foot for awhile before he muttered, "We can't track them"
So that is the problem: American's can be tracked, and held accountable, illegals can simply hit and run!
That makes a nice bumper sticker but it is not reality...it is simply your bigoted little mind making stuff up.

I mentioned to him that the hospital COULD go cash-up-front, like the local gas-stations,
If you had actually been to a doctor to have this discussion you would have noticed the sign at the receptionist window that states that "it is customary for services to be paid for at the time of treatment"

or since they can't be tracked, maybe they never really came to his hospital...He was rubbing his chin when I left...If we deny them services until they pay
The only place where services are free are at the county hospital.  They are not really free they are paid for by the taxpayers which the illegal immigrant is.  Emergency rooms cannot always get money from comatose patients up front.


True, but then the other countries would be SO ashamed to use American technology!
Really?  Why is that?  We do not have a problem using technology of other nations and other nations do not have a problem using our technology.  This faux shame you speak of exists only in your mind,perhaps you should lay off the twinkies for a while.


The fact that it put up ANY resistance is more than our border...Our border at least has hostile terrain in some parts, circumvented, of course, by "do-gooders" leaving out food&water for the strays!
Did your mother teach you to refer to other human beings as strays?


No, also the newspaper, especially the story of the Mexican-"American" choosing to JOIN the marching of the illegals, rather than suppress it
Kinda like George Washington,Thomas Jefferson,John Adams and a lot of other British citizens who took a stand on ethical and moral grounds.

...Some say that dual heritages confuse people, they are constantly pressed to pick a side. His was worse: He had to pick which side of the border to be loyal to...he chose wrong...But there were no consequences for it!
The depth of your ignorance never ceases to amaze me.


Well, I'm not the one speaking the wrong language
Since America has no national language how can there be a wrong language?

, or demanding freebies from a country that hates me
What "freebies" are who demanding?  You seem to be the only one on a "hate" not the rest of my country.

, nor arranging a huge march in their streets...Hell, some places--including some places IN MEXICO--are almost wholly subsidized by tourists who visit another country, but PAY THEIR OWN WAY!
Perhaps you might enlighten me as to where any part of Mexico is "subsidized" by Americans. 
You do not seem to have a very firm grasp of English.  If you pay for a dinner you are not subsidizing the restaurant you are patronizing it.


(Which right now, is just about every country, including many in the US. Without this self-hatred
It sounds to me like you are the one consumed with self hatred and are expressing your angst toward Mexicans.

, Americans would assert our rights against the invaders...)
Invaders???You really need to learn to speak English.


I will, as soon as they can learn our language, obey our laws
You do not seem willing to learn our language and obey our laws.  You are the one who suggested drugging and sterilizing people against their will.  You do realize that that is a felony.

, and--here's a novel idea--pay for the havoc their spawn cause!
Precisely what havoc are you referring to?


Or for the extra classrooms we need,
Classrooms are paid for by property taxes and unless you live under a bridge you pay property taxes.


more police, etc....Put a Stupidity Tax on translation of any official documents to non-English language...
Since America has no national language that would be a little difficult.  There is a stupidity tax,  it is what we pay to fund schools and even though we paid it, it did not seem to help in your case as you have trouble speaking English and you do not seem able to tell what is against the law (drugging and sterilizing people against their will).



This sounds very much like GoddessDustyGold's idea: Deny them services and they'll leave...Or they'll reveal their true colors as opportunistic parasites,
By definition parasites are opportunistic.  You really must try to learn English.  You are a grown man for gawds sake.


and frightened citizens will either give the cops the authority to round'em up and ship'em back (With something to stop them from re-entering America),
I have asked you many times before and you continue to refuse to answer me.  How do you prove your citizenship in the U.S.?



or they might do a DIY job
This is called vigilantism which is a felony.  You do know that inciting the commission of a felony is called a conspiracy and conspiracy is a felony.  Just ask Tom Metzger.

...which would be MUCH less pleasant for all, including the LEGALS (Who can actually speak English somehow...heck, China, of all places, is recruiting professors from my alma mater to teach English over there!)
Who does your alma mater hire to teach Chinese?  Doesn't it make sense to hire a native speaker to teach that  language?


Well, let's assume our Corporate Masters are beyond the law
Lets don't because they aren't.

, (Insert "Beyond Good And Evil" ref here)...But we CAN cutoff their limitless hordes of workers, and FORCE them to hire Americans!
I have already told you how to do that but you continue to ignore it.

Or if they insist on hiring illegals, at least cut the line from the taxpayers...Make the Corporate Masters pay for their own "slave" illegals!
You could at least try to be consistent.  Now you are saying it is OK to hire illegals if you pay the tax on them.


Under Pre-Civil War slavery, I was taught that the Owner was responsible for housing and feeding them, not the government...And if they couldn't read/understand contracts or documents, that was THEIR problem!
Are you saying that where you went to school that they did not teach you that it was illegal to teach a slave to read or write? Oh my where did you go to school?


After all, the illegals are trying to make a perversion of the Civil Rights movement! Despite such minor differences in circumstances as bringing themselves here wilfully and against OUR will, rather than being brought here against THEIR will!
They are brought here by the people YOU put in office and their cronies.

Secondarily, no matter how little they're paid in America, apparently they sneak in here because it's more than they make in the factories that have been outsourced to Mexico already
You seem to have an innate ability to grasp the obvious.

...But aren't their standards of living and/or costs of living lower "down there"?
If that is true, they're just being greedy, taking what was not offered, rather than accepting what America gives them!
You set up a premise that you admit you do not know the validity of and then draw a conclusion from it.
Just what has America given them?

Remember, our nation and our money is ours to GIVE, not theirs to STEAL!
What precisely have they stolen?


And as I said before, we could always bill Mexico and the other countries where the invaders are from...Or just confiscate the "remittances" of people who are "untrackable"! (The money from people who "don't exist" must be a bug in the system anyways![;)])
Confiscate remittances seems like a euphemism for grand theft which is a felony.  Why is it that you accuse Mexicans of being criminals but you advocate committing felonies?  You do know that it is against the TOS to advocate criminal behavior on the boards?


Their borders are quite impermeable when THEY want to...Like during Hurricane Katrina, ARMED Mexican troops stopped American tourists from retreating back to the relative "safety" of America--and prices for their "captive audience" mysteriously tripled!
I was unaware of this could you please give us a citation for this assertion?

Could Mexico have been acting in THEIR best interests, rather than the tourists, (i.e., soaking the "Rich Americans" for all they've got, proving once more that they're opportunistic parasites, NOT something we'd want in our country?)
Are you suggesting that there are no parasites in the U.S.?  Who is hiring all of these illegal aliens if not parasites?


When's the last time we armed our borders?
Our boarders are armed.  When was the last time you were in a fucking airport?

Sidenote: How silly would it be to have an influx of English speaking peoples in Mexico--or any other non-Anglophone foreign country--and for those people to EXPECT the mainstream populace (the majority) to understand that the english speaking influx have no desire to learn the native language...huh???
Your false premise here is that illegal immigrants to the U.S. have no desire to learn English.  You have stated on more than one occasion that you tried to teach an ESL class and were told by one of your students that he did not want to learn English because they were going to take over the country anyway.  If that is true why was he in the class to begin with.  You have stated that you cannot speak Spanish so if he could not speak English and you could not speak Spanish how did this conversation take place?  Do you just make this stuff up as you amble along?


...but STILL want to be accommodated. It seems when such a question is posed OUTSIDE of our borders, it makes perfect sense...but when it's posed WITHIN our borders...you're a rube who's intolerant, bigoted and more than likely ignorant
Yes that pretty well describes your behavior.

...BUT...with this particular issue...I gotta say...I find it MORE than silly that a decent sized subsection of our society seemingly has no desire to play ball with the rest of the populace and are perfectly content with being estranged from the mainstream...
That is your opinion but it is not borne out by the facts.


Games have rules. You're really not suppose to be able to cry foul if you won't play by the rules
You don't seem to want to play by the rules when you advocate people committing felonies so that those that you  are biased against can be treated with less than civil.

because then you're really not playing the game...you're making up your own!
Yes that pretty well describes how you are acting.

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Epgah, wow, you blew Thompson right out of the water!
"Cease Fire! Cease Fire!"

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Epgah, wow, you blew Thompson right out of the water!
"Cease Fire! Cease Fire!"

popeye:
ROFLMAO
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