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missturbation -> Prince charming (11/23/2007 11:02:44 AM)

I've never posted in this section before. Wow, i feel all virginal [:)]
 
After reading and posting (quite frankly) in the 'knight in shining armour' thread in general i began to wonder...........
 
 Bloodluna Says - (hope you dont mind me using this quote [:D])
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Unfortunately - girls are surrounded from the cradle with Disneyesque fairy tales of "the Knight in Shining Armor" and the subservient images of Cinderella and Snow White with their pollyanna attitudes and their Donna Reed housekeeping styles.


I responded with -
{quote]I'm with you here. Over romanticised girlie bullshit that leads to even bigger knight in shining armour bullshit!! Just my opinion of course [:D] {/quote]

My questions would be - Do you come across many women with this 'looking for prince charming' mentality? Do you avoid this mentality?
And also if we grew up thinking we could find our 'prince charming', has part of you grown up thinking you should be 'prince charming?



topcat -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 11:41:50 AM)

Dear Miss'-
 
Excellent seeder.
 
Yes, sadly, the DID mentality (Damsel In Distress) is alive and well, and flourishing in the scene. And I have dated more than my fair share, before I wised up, hung the sword on the wall, sold the armor on ebay, and had the white charger made into steaks...
 
I have actually seen women (rarely, but more than once) go on a self destructive binge when they meet a guy the like. Pretty scary stuff. More commonly, I know a few who seem to have the notion that it's OK that their life is a mess because, Any Day Now, that prince is going to show up and make it all alright...
 
Certainly, these behaviors and situations are not found only in the scene, but like a lot of things, they seem to be ampped up a bit when SM is present.
 
I too blame disney. Allowing young girls to watch 'Beauty and the Beast' is tatmount to child abuse, IMO.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence



IrishMist -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 11:46:31 AM)

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I've never posted in this section before. Wow, i feel all virginal [:)]

LOL did not last long did it?
Was it good for you?

[sm=applause.gif]

Sorry misst, I could not resist

[8|]



BloodLuna -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 11:48:33 AM)

(Whoo hoo - lets crash the masters!!!)  I'm honored misst!!!!  And I look forward to seeing the responses.
 
Luna

PS  Lawrence - you HAVE to admit that Jasmine (Aladin) in chains holding up an apple is a rather appealing sight!!!!!   [sm=whip.gif]



laurell3 -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 11:54:56 AM)

I don't think it's wrong to be idealistic in what you seek as long as you are realistic in what you actually find and expect.  There's nothing wrong with desiring it all, but one must be cognizant of the fact that it's unlikely to happen.

Answering from the other side: sadly, it's not just "girlie bullshit", as I speak to male subs I realize that some are looking for a Domme that is the stereotype and has no real feelings and maintains the idealistic role image.  I can't be that, nor do I want to and I often wonder if the image is something they need because they don't feel comfortable with intimacy with a real person. I do attempt to explain what I view as the problem, rarely is it received in a positive fashion, and eventually just end up avoiding it. 



Qithoras -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 12:57:22 PM)

As I generally put it, I'm built like a truck and ugly as a trucker - So I haven't had any girls coming to me thinking I'm Prince Charming, nor do I come across it in my searches.

However to:
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And also if we grew up thinking we could find our 'prince charming', has part of you grown up thinking you should be 'prince charming?


No. I've long ago come to terms with who and what I am, and have a rough idea of who I will be in the future. If being Prince Charming was a part of me, yes I would aspire towards it.

However I'm arrogant, cocky, generally intollerant of alot of things and I make bad jokes. So I don't think who I am fits into the Prince Charming idea. Hell, I doubt if there is anyone out there who matches those exacting fantasy standards.

Hope this helped to answer your question.





vampchick88 -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:22:10 PM)

  When I was young I believed in it until I discovered I could never find a guy who would treat me even with a little respect.  So prince charming went out the window, that icky thing that was the frog who wanted to be kissed was all I found.Then this year I was blessed to find, well to be found my somone I thought was impossible and too good to be true. He's my knight in shining latex and treats me with respect or my rubber frog navy guy[;)]
As for prince charming I don't want a guy in a horse telling me I'm to be queen and pop out his royal children while he gets to flirt with princesses.



Level -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:24:03 PM)

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I've never posted in this section before. Wow, i feel all virginal [:)]
 
[:D]

 
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My questions would be - Do you come across many women with this 'looking for prince charming' mentality?
 
Some, not many.
 
quote:

 Do you avoid this mentality?

 
Like syphilis.

quote:

And also if we grew up thinking we could find our 'prince charming', has part of you grown up thinking you should be 'prince charming?

 
Hmm. Courteous and protective of women, yes.  Being a man that has his own ideas, though, this upbringing only goes so far [:D]




velvetears -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:26:13 PM)

i don't think you are ugly at all... rather handsome in my opinion.  



Focus50 -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:30:26 PM)

Not so sure about a "prince charming' mentality" but many of my favourite feminine qualities are related.  I like "girlie" girls, which can inevitably overflow into overly romanticised notions of life and potential partners. 
 
So, as a moderate in most things, I'd say as long as the girl isn't chronically naive and doesn't have unrealistic expectations of a prince charming, I'd probably think her ideals cute, attractive and charming in their own right.
 
I'll add that I'm from the "old school" in that I think men should look after and take care of their women (yes, I open doors and go to the bar for my slave etc); that I don't care for feminist practises (though theoretical ideals seem outwardly reasonable) and I'm so tired of the plethora of movies and TV shows constantly portraying women as 100 pound stilettoed babes kicking the absolute tripe out of 200 muscle-bound male "weaklings" (plural)....  Now THAT'S fantasy!
 
Focus.



Qithoras -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:37:27 PM)

Well, Thank you, you've made my day.




krikket -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:38:50 PM)

Guess i'm telling my age here, but i don't blame Disney completely (not with a nick like mine..lol), but Mother Goose, Grimm's Fairy tales, the makers of toys like
Barbie, and Hollywood in general all share blame for furthering the Knight and/or damsel in distress pictures...having said that, i admit i'm a huge fan of romance novels..and they don't help either..lol. 

In my real life, however, i've been able to separate fiction from reality for a very long time.  Even as i teen i knew i was never gonna look like Cinderella or snow white or any of the other lovely ladies of literature and film.  i've kissed more than my fair share of frogs, but then i suspect more than a few have thought me a "froggett"..lol. 

Now, i don't wish for the knight (who'd have to take care of the damned horse anyway?), and i'm more than capable of handling my own life so definitely don't fix into the damsel-in-distress picture.  i wish for good friends, maybe one more special than others, but all in all i'm pretty happy with my life.

Happy Day after y'all...

cheers
jimini



MadRabbit -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:45:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

My questions would be - Do you come across many women with this 'looking for prince charming' mentality? Do you avoid this mentality?
And also if we grew up thinking we could find our 'prince charming', has part of you grown up thinking you should be 'prince charming?


Sure, the "All men are such assholes and why can't I just meet a decent guy?" song is just another version of this.

I think most women have sung this song at one point.

Actually, I think anyone who is looking for an ideal has sung this song whether it be prince charming, a damsel in distress, the true slave, the true Master, or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The sad part is I don't think the issue is ever "All men are assholes" or "There is no trully submissive women" or "True Masters who are worth serving are so hard to find", but rather the fact that a lot of people are searching for the ideal as opposed to a person.

Unfortanely, the ideal that exists in the imagination never completely matches up to the human being in reality.



missturbation -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:48:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

quote:

I've never posted in this section before. Wow, i feel all virginal [:)]

LOL did not last long did it?
Was it good for you?

[sm=applause.gif]

Sorry misst, I could not resist

[8|]


It did and i sweetly still have my ask a mistress, gorean and other cherries to top [:D]



missturbation -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:50:31 PM)

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Courteous and protective of women, yes.  Being a man that has his own ideas, though, this upbringing only goes so far [:D]

Mmm level, that gave me shivers [:)]



laurell3 -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:51:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation

My questions would be - Do you come across many women with this 'looking for prince charming' mentality? Do you avoid this mentality?
And also if we grew up thinking we could find our 'prince charming', has part of you grown up thinking you should be 'prince charming?


Sure, the "All men are such assholes and why can't I just meet a decent guy?" song is just another version of this.

I think most women have sung this song at one point.

Actually, I think anyone who is looking for an ideal has sung this song whether it be prince charming, a damsel in distress, the true slave, the true Master, or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

The sad part is I don't think the issue is ever "All men are assholes" or "There is no trully submissive women" or "True Masters who are worth serving are so hard to find", but rather the fact that a lot of people are searching for the ideal as opposed to a person.

Unfortanely, the ideal that exists in the imagination never completely matches up to the human being in reality.


I agree to an extent MR, however, there are quite a few people out that on these sites that don't fall even remotely close to the ideal apple tree.  That frustration I think is just a simple, unfortunate, reality.



breatheasone -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:51:56 PM)

Howdy OP [:)]....I would say I am not a damsel in distress that is in need of rescue. I am however i very girlie girl...and I FULLY warned my Master of this PRIOR to our 1st meeting ! [:D]  I think it tries His patience at times but I also think He finds it adorable and wouldn't have me any other way. My Master is an awesome Gentleman. He always opens my doors...holds my hand when walking...He makes sure to always walk on the outside(closest to street) when we are walking on a sidewalk. He is AWESOME....He IS my Prince Charming, but I call him Master, Baby or King [:)].....



missturbation -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:52:26 PM)

quote:

I'd say as long as the girl isn't chronically naive and doesn't have unrealistic expectations of a prince charming, I'd probably think her ideals cute, attractive and charming in their own right.

What is a realistic expectation of a 'prince charming' though?




missturbation -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:54:22 PM)

quote:

The sad part is I don't think the issue is ever "All men are assholes" or "There is no trully submissive women" or "True Masters who are worth serving are so hard to find", but rather the fact that a lot of people are searching for the ideal as opposed to a person.

Agreed [:D]



MadRabbit -> RE: Prince charming (11/23/2007 1:57:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

I agree to an extent MR, however, there are quite a few people out that on these sites that don't fall even remotely close to the ideal apple tree.  That frustration I think is just a simple, unfortunate, reality.


I would make a distinction between having standards and chasing an ideal.

The difference is looking for perfection.

Edited to Add : I think (Actually, I know from being one of these people) that when you look specfically for an idealized vision, then you get deeply disapointed when you find the imperfections and mistakes that are part of everyone.




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