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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 9:31:57 PM

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I'd rather be tased than shot.

lol,... me too.

Who wouldn`t?lol

Would that have been a justified shooting?With what you saw in the tape,would shooting that kid be the way to go?

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 9:32:10 PM

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I wonder what our world would be like without them?...They are all lousy bully losers...until you need them.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 9:38:20 PM

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Bullshit, Butch, they have never shown up when I need them but are there in droves when I don't.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 9:49:34 PM

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I am truly sorry to hear that Ron...I'll admit they have pissed me off a time or two... but also helped me a few times… In my job I often had to work closely with law enforcement and got to hear personally some of the abuse they had to take and I was impressed with their restraint in general.
Yes this guy was quick to use force...but not totally unreasonable…they have a tough underpaid job and over time they become jaded and beat down… They see the dark side of humane nature every day and must assume the worst to survive...or so they believe.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 9:53:34 PM

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So everyoneee is against the cops hmmm? He was going back to his car. Not complying with the officer. Who knows, the guy could of had a pistol in his wheelrack. I'm not going to read the responses to this because I know I'll just get attacked by a bunch of cop-haters.

No but you can expect to get lots of flaq from people who know there is no law that says that kid had to sign a damn thing. That is what this is all about. Or at least where it all started. They both were wrong, but since mr cop was in charge it is his responsiblity to de-escalate not escalate the situation as he did. Some moron rookie just wanted to play with his new toy walking around with a hard on looking for some place to stick it.

Signing the citation is the promise that you will appear in court without a further summons. If you don't sign the ticket, the officer is in fact supposed to arrest you to guarantee your appearance.

I'm not saying the cop was right, I didn't see him attempt to restrain or stop the guy other than overreacting with force. However, refusing to sign the ticket is in fact a valid reason to detain and he did in fact indicate to the guy that he was under arrest.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 10:28:07 PM

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So everyoneee is against the cops hmmm? He was going back to his car. Not complying with the officer. Who knows, the guy could of had a pistol in his wheelrack. I'm not going to read the responses to this because I know I'll just get attacked by a bunch of cop-haters.

No but you can expect to get lots of flaq from people who know there is no law that says that kid had to sign a damn thing. That is what this is all about. Or at least where it all started. They both were wrong, but since mr cop was in charge it is his responsiblity to de-escalate not escalate the situation as he did. Some moron rookie just wanted to play with his new toy walking around with a hard on looking for some place to stick it.

Signing the citation is the promise that you will appear in court without a further summons. If you don't sign the ticket, the officer is in fact supposed to arrest you to guarantee your appearance.

I'm not saying the cop was right, I didn't see him attempt to restrain or stop the guy other than overreacting with force. However, refusing to sign the ticket is in fact a valid reason to detain and he did in fact indicate to the guy that he was under arrest.

Didn`t know that.Here in Jersey,there`s no such requirement.If you don`t show up to court,you`re fucked anyhow.It must vary from state to state.

That kid learned some hard lessons....

The cops own the road, and you`re a guest.

Shut up and lick the scrotum exactly as told ,and pray you get away un-scathed.

Expect more and more bad.untrained,hot-headed cops to be out there.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 10:37:21 PM

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You don't have to lick their scrotum or shut up. You just have to remember that courts are the place to present arguments. If this guy would have taken the time to read the ticket he was signing, he would have seen that it is just a promise to appear. He could have then went back and taken photos of the place he got pulled over, and he had his girlfriend as a witness. He could have argued with the cop all he wanted in court. The cop was too quick to pull his taser, and I think a lot of that is due to laziness and bad training at the police academies now a days.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 10:45:23 PM

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The cop wasn't a big guy. The first thing he didn't want to do, was when he was WITHOUT backup, try to take on a man by himself who has bigger, and who also had a passenger, even if she was a woman. He did the exact right thing. The guy didn't comply, and the officer gave him ample warning to listen. He resisted arrest. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what the officer did. Yes, the tazer shooting in most videos (including this one) seems harsh, but it always looks bad. The tazer is used instead of a bullet, be thankful for that, incase the man would of got shot infront of his wife.

If a cop feels threatened in any way/shape or form, he has the right to do that. The guy was resisting orders, and that shit doesn't fly. At least SOME people understand the situation, instead of just bitching at cops, thinking their all the stero-typical, black man beating, people hating cops.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 11:00:56 PM

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Did a Google search and came up with over 1,000,000 videos of police brutality. Wonder how many are not video taped and unreported, because the cops are always right, aren't they?

Anyone remember the elder lady killed in her own home, in Atlanta, I believe. The cops burst in, and she attempted to defend herself from an unknown invader?

Hmm, I wonder if more old ladies are killed by cops or by criminals? Try googling cops saving people's lives and see what number you get.
I am amazed that cops aren't tasing more often with all the yahoos like you that are around.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 11:13:48 PM

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Did a Google search and came up with over 1,000,000 videos of police brutality. Wonder how many are not video taped and unreported, because the cops are always right, aren't they?

Anyone remember the elder lady killed in her own home, in Atlanta, I believe. The cops burst in, and she attempted to defend herself from an unknown invader?

Hmm, I wonder if more old ladies are killed by cops or by criminals? Try googling cops saving people's lives and see what number you get.
I am amazed that cops aren't tasing more often with all the yahoos like you that are around.

Hmm, I wonder if more old ladies are killed by cops or by criminals? Try googling cops saving people's lives and see what number you get.

Seeing as it`s their job to save people,I would hope they save more than they kill.Not killing innocent folks is also a part of their job.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 11:15:12 PM

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Did a Google search and came up with over 1,000,000 videos of police brutality.

Wonders if that would be over 1,000,000 separate and unique cases of police brutality or the same cases uploaded over and over and over.
And who determines if it is police brutality or a reasonable response? As evidenced by this discussion alone, there are some who watched the video and feel the officer did what he needed to do. While others are in the opposite camp. *Shrug*
Not saying that it is acceptable at all (any true overstepping of boundaries and a power rush, that is), but saying that it is also easy to exaggerate.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 11:17:15 PM

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And if they are wrong they should be punished for it. Who is saying otherwise?
This is another version of a shark attack story. As soon as someone gets attacked by a shark, the media goes hysterical and makes it seem like shark attacks are happening all the time. They aren't, and neither are cops tasering innocent people.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 11:33:15 PM

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Exactly estring. Also. Seems to be all the unintelligent people who are hating on cops. For the MOST part anyway. Get your facts straight. Cops aren't perfect, but they did the right thing in this situation, hands down.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/23/2007 11:41:07 PM

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I wouldn't exactly say they did the right thing. Its true that the guy wasn't complying, however, he also wasn't making any threatening gestures / actions towards the trooper... he was simply being a smartass. Unfortunately, the little cop seemed to have a big ego... something I've seen quite a bit of when it comes to police officers. It seems like the smaller they are, the more they think they have to prove to everyone that they're "in control" of any given situation.
Just because I didn't care for the troopers attitude though, doesn't mean I don't think the citizen shouldn't have gotten tazed. I just think the trooper was a little premature in drawing his non-lethal weapon out, and very premature in his usage of it.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/24/2007 2:05:17 AM

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Tazers are NOT "NON-LETHAL".

Tazers can kill. That's why the reliance on them instead of the traditional methods is so bad. Once you draw the thing, you have no options left.

Just more shitty Hiring, Training, Supervision, Discipline and Termination practices.

Ask yourself this, "Would it have been RIGHT for the Cop to shoot the guy with his pistol?" If the answer is "NO", then a Tazer shouldn't be used, otherwise the Tazer just RAISES the level of violence committed by the Cops.

And remember to teach your kids this lesson: "NEVER TRUST A PIG".

They might be USEFUL, but they might be IMPOSTERS or CRAZY.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/24/2007 3:31:56 AM

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KittieKatt said:
"I'm not going to read the responses to this because I know I'll just get attacked by a bunch of cop-haters. "

And deservedly so.

Cops aren't in the mold of Sheriff Andy Taylor any longer, if they ever were. Most cops are assholes with esteem issues, hypocrisy aplenty, and the power of physical coercion behind their every whim - legal or not.

In short, thugs with badges.

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Sound like any governments near you, does it?

You are basically saying that anyone under seizure must obey everything a cop says or be shot or tasered. You know, that's just not so.

The law in question very probably states that the officer can arrest the man for the infraction or serve him notice to appear. no one has to sign anything. The cop could have handed him the ticket and walked away. Instead, he went into overdrive. He should probably be fired for causing the situation to escalate unnecessarily.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/24/2007 4:39:34 AM

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The cop wasn't a big guy. The first thing he didn't want to do, was when he was WITHOUT backup, try to take on a man by himself who has bigger, and who also had a passenger, even if she was a woman. He did the exact right thing. The guy didn't comply, and the officer gave him ample warning to listen. He resisted arrest. There's absolutely nothing wrong with what the officer did. Yes, the tazer shooting in most videos (including this one) seems harsh, but it always looks bad. The tazer is used instead of a bullet, be thankful for that, incase the man would of got shot infront of his wife.

If a cop feels threatened in any way/shape or form, he has the right to do that. The guy was resisting orders, and that shit doesn't fly. At least SOME people understand the situation, instead of just bitching at cops, thinking their all the stero-typical, black man beating, people hating cops.

first off tasers are leathal. maybe not to every person on the planet but they do kill people hence they are lethal.

next the cop could have given him the ticket and drove away. you cant arrest a man for not showing up for a court date that has not come up yet. (of course since peoiple stand up for the cop in cases like this maybe they can arrest them now days)

thats called pre=emptive arrest. they arrest you because you might commit a crime in the future and that way they know they got you.{sarcasm}

the cop clearly was not threatened

the cop clearly created the altercation

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/24/2007 5:44:04 AM

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"If a cop feels threatened in any way/shape or form, he has the right to do that. The guy was resisting orders, and that shit doesn't fly. At least SOME people understand the situation, instead of just bitching at cops, thinking their all the stero-typical, black man beating, people hating cops."

Last time I checked this was America- and a citizen doesn't have to take orders from anybody. We are not soldiers in a war and the cop is not our superior officer. Arguing that the cop acted reasonably is akin to saying he acted responsibly, and using potentially lethal force in a non-threatening situation is not. He did a bad job, but your attitude is he still shouldn't be fired or reprimanded. (Are you fond of GWB?) If this is how he acts in a non-life threatening situation, then how will he react in a bit more heated situation?

In terms of life threatening situations- there are probably between 25 and 50 million tickets written a year. It's a rarity that a cop gets killed during a traffic stop- thus the odds against this being a life threatening situation are one in 100 million or higher- odds like a lottery ticket. It's not reasonable claiming that this is a risky job- it isn't. Being a convenience store clerk in a 7/11 is, or being a taxi driver is far riskier. When simply explaining the situation to the guy- (and possibly using the threat, of if you don't shut up, I'm going to give you an additional citation for resisting arrest) probably would have worked, in my book, that would have been a better choice of action.

In terms of underpaid- in NY State, I just saw ads where a trooper after one year could be pulling down $70k. That's not exactly underpaid in my book. Too much of our "information" about cops is from the movies and TV.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/24/2007 5:44:40 AM

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A point of clarification here...

I think you can be arrested for any infraction because it's either a misdemeanor or a felony in its original form. They've strangely hooked us into admiralty law via the driver's license which creates these pseudo-criminal charges called infractions and also gives rise to the kangaroo courts called traffic courts. But again, you can be arrested for the infraction if that's what the cop wants to do. It usually doesn't happen, but it could potentially go that way.

But refusing to sign the ticket is not a crime in itself. Sometimes signing means you acknowledge receipt of the ticket, sometimes its means you promise to appear in court - doesn't matter. Not signing is itself indicative of nothing. The officer is certainly capable of performing service of process for the ticket without your signature.

The whole thing is pretty stupid once you realize that all of this shit is mainly about collecting revenue and that cops have become de facto tax collectors for the corporate cities they represent. In my town we have real crimes that go unresolved because cops spend most of their time harassing harmless citizens with traffic tickets and at drunk stops. Frankly, I rarely see the point of having cops at all.

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RE: Police taser man for alleged speeding ticket.... - 11/24/2007 5:51:37 AM

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You don't have to lick their scrotum or shut up. You just have to remember that courts are the place to present arguments. If this guy would have taken the time to read the ticket he was signing, he would have seen that it is just a promise to appear. He could have then went back and taken photos of the place he got pulled over, and he had his girlfriend as a witness. He could have argued with the cop all he wanted in court. The cop was too quick to pull his taser, and I think a lot of that is due to laziness and bad training at the police academies now a days.

I agree. In this particular case both carry blame. The driver should not have turned his back and walked away. The cop should have kept his cool.When I saw the interview the driver came across as a totally normal person unused to dealing with police before, he didn't seem to realise that arguing on the side of the road and walking away from a cop is a bad thing. IMO he should not have been tazered but that is also a time of high danger for a cop.Pulling someone over is a risky thing especially for a cop alone. I, as a whole do not trust the police. I've never been in trouble or had a negative experience but generally the police attract a certain type of personality to their ranks. That is why I would never argue with a cop along side a road, I would wait for my court appearance with my lawyer at my side. Both screwed up IMO. I think that since tazers are considered non-lethal it makes them too easy for a cop to use. They are not non-lethal.

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