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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 5:11:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I wonder if there are more self employed people into bdsm?

Yup, I think there are several of us.

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However, I can tell you that I doubt I would have taken that attitude with just any "guy" that I was dating who happened to live under my roof. Any signs of laziness, sleeping til noon, playing video games all day and seeing it as a free vacation and he'd have gotten the boot because I'd be seriously agitated after working my ass off to make a living.

I can relate to this. I have no problem with a "stay at home slave" so long as they make themselves useful and help out in various ways. Truth be told at this point I prefer someone who stays at home. But if a gal thinks she can live under my roof and curl up on a silk pillow all day, naked or not, she's in for a rude awakening.



Well dom/mes are NOT the only ones self employed...i am as well. i certainly wish the self-employed label came with the financial stability most think self employed have. *sigh

You know Padraig, your last sentence reminds me of Proverbs 31. This chapter in the Bible describes a productive, gracious and submissive woman...one any man would desire... a woman of noble character.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 5:44:08 PM   
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Well dom/mes are NOT the only ones self employed...i am as well. i certainly wish the self-employed label came with the financial stability most think self employed have. *sigh

Heh... you an me both. Things aren't always as stable as I would like but in a way it does provide its own security. I know no matter what I can always find a way to earn a living.

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You know Padraig, your last sentence reminds me of Proverbs 31. This chapter in the Bible describes a productive, gracious and submissive woman...one any man would desire... a woman of noble character.

~~shy

That's a funny thing to say to an athiest Seriously though, noble character rings true to me... someone I can respect is very important to me.

"A perfect woman, nobly planned
To warn, to comfort and command."

Gotta love ole Wordsworth

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 8:47:40 PM   
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I worked full-time when I met my Mistress, but it was really important to her for me to continue my education...probably because she knew how important it was to me. She loves me and wants me to reach my full potential.
Now I'm in school full-time and also help at home a few hours a week with an internet business we run. Add to that about 3/4 of the household domestic duties (she still does some) and being a mom, and I barely have any time left over. I'm just as tired as she is at the end of the day, although I no longer work outside of the home.
It's a very vulnerable feeling to be dependent on someone financially. But my Mistress knows I'm working hard, and even if it's not bringing in any money right now, she considers it working for OUR future.
I know there are people in this world who will always take advantage of the generosity of others. Some people really are just lazy. But occasionally, there could be other factors at work. For instance, a couple of years ago, Mistress noticed that my attitude and behavior changed drastically over a series of months. I wasn't ambitious anymore. I wanted to lay around all day (would even skip work frequently) and didn't get much of anything productive done. I didn't have energy to even go up and down the stairs sometimes. To anyone outside the relationship, I would have appeared very lazy. Turns out, I was seriously depressed instead and didn't even recognize it. Thank god my Mistress knew me better than that by that point and insisted I go to the doctor. A couple of weeks and some anti-depressants later, and I was back on track. Better than ever, in fact.
I guess I wrote all that just to support my point, which is the same as some other posters' have made...don't assume someone is a free-rider simply because he or she doesn't work outside the home. It's okay if that's not best for you and your household, but that doesn't keep it from being best for others.
Also (my public service announcement of the day), if your submissive's or slave's behavior changes suddenly or even gradually over a period of months and he or she starts showing lack of energy or focus...make sure there's not a medical reason for it.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 8:57:38 PM   
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This response isn't to you, Clover...I'm just too tired to find a better jumping in point.

It seems to me that this is one more area a person would discuss with a potential partner. Afterall, there are those who wouldn't consider letting their slave work outside the home (or in a vanilla setting, their wife). You have those who are more old fashioned in their beliefs (that the man is the provider and the little woman's job is to take care of the home, raise the unmentionables and tend to his needs). On the other hand, you have women who would never consider staying home and not pursuing their career and financial independence....and the men who think women who don't work outside the home are freeloaders. As long as you hook up with someone with the same values in this regard, I can't imagine why it would become an issue at all.


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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 9:08:05 PM   
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We actually are looking for a domestic that would be a stay at home.

Wouldn't be a free loader though. My wife has run her own business for a few years. ANd I work 10-12 hours a day. I am the main breadwinner in the house, and our finances are mixed.

We have a good home, large and private in the desert (private salt water pool at night is yummy), as well as a guesthouse/mother inlaw house on our property. That is alot of upkeep.

Though generally easy to please, we have some standards and actually are looking for a 100% domestic, though the contributions to the household come on different levels. Some people like being pure domestics, and my wife and I are looking for jsut such a one.

Alos, we have a requirement of bettering oneself. GOing to school, self improvement, etc.

All that being said, there are those out there (we flew one out to our home once about 2 years ago), and we literally had to order her to even attempt a contribution like setting the table for dinner. It was terrible.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 9:25:06 PM   
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To be honest, if I was a dominant, I'd probably be one of the ones offering the free ride to the submissive willing to submit to me. So I can see how easy it would be for a submissive to attempt to achieve such a dynamic, or a free ride.

There's a certain fantasy to a total 24/7 where everything is dictated, controlled and supplied by a dominant. Very rarely can it ever be achieved in reality (as the people offering it are so many fewer than those trying to receive it), but because every now and then someone does achieve it, it makes it that much more attractive to those who have yet to attempt it. I know that as a submissive, I used to think I'd jump at the chance if it was ever offered to me. Probably still would, for all I know.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 9:44:25 PM   
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To be honest, if I was a dominant, I'd probably be one of the ones offering the free ride to the submissive willing to submit to me. So I can see how easy it would be for a submissive to attempt to achieve such a dynamic, or a free ride.

There's a certain fantasy to a total 24/7 where everything is dictated, controlled and supplied by a dominant. Very rarely can it ever be achieved in reality (as the people offering it are so many fewer than those trying to receive it), but because every now and then someone does achieve it, it makes it that much more attractive to those who have yet to attempt it. I know that as a submissive, I used to think I'd jump at the chance if it was ever offered to me. Probably still would, for all I know.


You miss a huge, critical dynamic issue in what it is you seek. And, it's extremely important because it's why so many subs get misled by the fantasy and the HUGE difference between that and reality. And it's why "submissives" are less likely to get this coveted spot of "live in sub" or slaveboy or houseboy.

You state:
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There's a certain fantasy to a total 24/7 where everything is dictated, controlled and supplied by a dominant.


That's the fantasy you have to get out of your head. The reality is that a femdom who wants a 24/7 live in probably wants one that does not desire everything to be 'dictated, controlled and supplied' by a dominant. That's a fantasy of "submission" where in reality the sub is a huge drain on the dominant. It is not the thing subs should strive for -- and the ones you perceive that "have it" and make you want to "jump" at it are unrealistic, or it's a fantasy they portray.

Do you think any femdom who is self supporting has the time to micromanage in this way? Or, gets any pleasure from it?

My husband is basically a 24/7 houseboy and our relationship is also colored with fetishy/femdom play fairly core to our intimacy and sexual relations. But the only reason he got the position of 24/7 houseboy is because he demonstrated the ability to self motivate, work without supervision, anticipate my needs and not need constant attention, OR need affirmation. Also, he does not have a "need" to be in service constantly, so he does not bug me for things to do in order to feel needed or happy. He basically requires absolutely no monitoring from me and no positive reinforcement (he gets a lot of praise, but no more than any husband would get for doing things like going out to gas up the car so I don't have to or making sure my favorite outfit is clean and hanging in the closet because he anticipated it's what I would wear the next day). So there is zero of what you state in your fantasy.

I do not consider any of our "service" arrangements at home to be "femdom" and I get no sexual, erotic pleasure from the fact that I don't ever wash dishes, cook or run errands and that basically I am waited on hand and foot. I still am pretty self sufficient in a lot of ways, I get up to fetch my own soda most of the time or whatnot, but the difference is that I do not feel at all guilty for asking him/ordering him to do things that I want done -- which to an outsider might look like I'm lazy or demanding. The fact is that I am busy running a company and when I am in that mode, he's everything from an office boy to a secretary to a maid.

But there is nothing submissive about the way he does it and nothing dominant about the way I command it. It's just how we are. If you remove the "fantasy" of the dynamic and see it for what it is, I think it's a lot more acheivable and realistic.

The most important thing is this: I think the most valuable thing a "service submissive" can offer is the ability to offer intuitive, hands-off assistance WITHOUT the need for constant affirmation, direction, domination or stimulation. Unfortunately, most service submission gets their very "juice" and motivation from just those things.

Akasha


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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 10:24:07 PM   
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Correct.

A live- in slave operates much more like a competent employee. After the training period,they are expected to function on thier own-with minimal oversight. Few who have the mentality of needing to be micromanaged can deal with this.

I have had a few like this approach me in the past-they were basically dysfunctional in real life,and felt they needed close supervision to make anything of themselves. But seriously,why would someone competent enough in life to afford a slave,want an incompetent slave?

I asked what thier work qualifications were.....they could offer none,they were screw ups. Then I asked how they expected to pay thier way.....one stuttured something about being a "pet".

I told her,"Do you really think that sex and play is so important to me overall, that it's the ONLY thing I would require of you? It is NOT that EASY!!!!

The reality of competent Dominants is that they require competent service. Nothing else will do. And an incompetent Dominant will not be able to maintain a workable situation with a slave for long-and that person will find themselves on the street,in a world of hurt.

No fallback,nothing.

Think carefully before entertaining a 24 7 fantasy.

You need to be able to bring a lot more than just your ELBOWS to put on the table!

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 11:06:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fidelity

Correct.

A live- in slave operates much more like a competent employee. After the training period,they are expected to function on thier own-with minimal oversight. Few who have the mentality of needing to be micromanaged can deal with this.

I have had a few like this approach me in the past-they were basically dysfunctional in real life,and felt they needed close supervision to make anything of themselves. But seriously,why would someone competent enough in life to afford a slave,want an incompetent slave?

I asked what thier work qualifications were.....they could offer none,they were screw ups. Then I asked how they expected to pay thier way.....one stuttured something about being a "pet".

I told her,"Do you really think that sex and play is so important to me overall, that it's the ONLY thing I would require of you? It is NOT that EASY!!!!

The reality of competent Dominants is that they require competent service. Nothing else will do. And an incompetent Dominant will not be able to maintain a workable situation with a slave for long-and that person will find themselves on the street,in a world of hurt.

No fallback,nothing.

Think carefully before entertaining a 24 7 fantasy.

You need to be able to bring a lot more than just your ELBOWS to put on the table!


I posted a year or so ago in another forum that in reality, the "service only" submissive that claims their deep-seeded need to "only please" -- "no strings attached" -- is actually the most high maintenance, potentially disruptive and difficult kind of sub to have in a relationship.

The reason is that their deep need to serve, or be needed, is very difficult to satisfy. They don't just need to serve; they need to be given tasks, they need to be either evaluated or corrected, and they need constant affirmation. If they are not "in service" they are lost and feel useless. Their need to be in service drives them to be pushy, and their fears of inadequacy and need for constant affirmation make them a black hole emotionally. If a femdom is in a bad mood, can't be bothered, overwhelmed, and the sub has that dramatic need to serve -- her need for space or for him to go on auto pilot can drive him into depression, make him mope, or turn him passive aggressive.

Her frustration and attempts to correct him emotionally are devastating to him -- push him into a self loathing mode. After all, her dissatisfaction is like venom, even if she's trying to correct him (*emotionally* -- not to be confused with correct him on tasks, which he thrives on).

If he completes a given task that is self motivated and she does not notice, he feels self pity and low self esteem. He does not want to bother her, so instead he mopes or pouts to make her notice or just because he can't help it. The femdom spends so much of her time trying to fill up his self image so he can be productive. These subs are also often manic and have wild mood swings.

What the sub needs to figure out is why he has such a bottomless pit when it comes to the need for affirmation. A sub that says his only need, his deepest need, is just to *serve* is really seeking affirmation, praise, self worth, self image. Sadly, this CANNOT be obtained by serving a femdom. Because a femdom is not a mind reader or a shrink, and does not have unlimited emotional strength to keep filling him up.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 11:30:44 PM   
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Remarkably insightful post, AAkasha. Thanks for posting it again here.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/13/2005 11:41:44 PM   
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Yes,there is a huge difference between being a competent servant,and a singularity.

I really feel that the best slaves move beyond the need for outside validation. They learn to trust themselves-instead of indwelling in nuerotic downward spirals of self doubt.

And I have seen the passive agressive mode kick in when life interfered,and I didn't have time to pay as much attention as a sub wanted me to. It really bites to have someone playing games with you when you need to pay the bills!

Or undergo an emotional implosion when I had to basically tell her, "You are NOT my top priority at the moment!" In many ways,I see this sort of person as emotionally underdeveloped,and quite child-like.

Fortunately,one learns to beware of the warning signs after a time.

A few simple questions,a parable or two told-are quite sufficient to weed them out. The buttons are easy to push,and nearly universal.

You just have to know what they are.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 12:04:03 AM   
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This type of submissive "blackhole" is something I've only encountered once before but I learned enough from from that limited experience to avoid similar types. While I am detail-oriented enough to keep toy busy enough for two people most days, the submissive "blackhole" was incredibly exhausting on both an emotional and intellectual level. I am, I suppose, somewhat spoiled, having become accustomed to toy's degree of self-direction and internal motivation.
When I think of bringing in another servant to assist toy in maintaining the household, I think in terms of service-orientation, strong work ethics, team player, internally motivated but I think I need to add intuitive to that list. Until I read your post, I hadn't realized just how much I expect toy to be able to competently connect the dots. I tend to express myself in broad sweeps and add in the details as the need arises and I imagine someone less intuitive than toy would quickly find herself floundering, frustrated by the never-ending string of "Oh, by the way, ..." corrections, additions and revisions.
Great posts, AAkasha, insightful as usual.
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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 3:00:16 AM   
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this is common? wow.... can't relate to that.
If I could not pay my own way totally or bring income into the house....I would not be there.... for me, the way I was raised... the more income you can produce.. the more valuable I am.... the general facts of life, wouldn't you agree?

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 4:36:47 AM   
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To quote Ironbear, Oh yeah, now we're cooking with gas! AAkasha, Fidelity, you both make some great points and I hope submissives are paying attention and taking notes. There's some valuable insight to be had here regarding what we dominants want and need, what really pleases us and how we want to be served. There is a LOT more to a 24/7 live in relationship than just sex and sexual service. Sex is great, I enjoy sex, I like a lot of sex in my life... but sooner or later you do have to get out of bed and deal with the realities of life. Meals have to be cooked, laundry has to be done, the house needs to be cleaned, money has to be earned, bills have to be paid, the lawn/property has to be maintained, etc. etc. etc. And of all the things a dominant has to give, time is often the one thing in shortest supply. This is especially true of those of us who take who we are and what we do as a serious responsibility. We are busy people, busy earning the money to pay the bills and buy those nice toys, busy securing our future so we can someday retire and live comfortably, we generally have very active minds that need to be fed as much as our bodies.

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The most important thing is this: I think the most valuable thing a "service submissive" can offer is the ability to offer intuitive, hands-off assistance WITHOUT the need for constant affirmation, direction, domination or stimulation.

If you're a submissive/slave looking for a live in situation where the dominant supports you... write that down! Trust me, it'll improve the odds of you being accepted dramatically. Show us you know how to do something other than suck a cock and look pretty and we'll be a lot more impressed with you. What skills do you have to offer outside of sex; can you cook, are you a great housekeeper, are you a good conversationalist, do you have a college degree in some topic we might find interesting... can you stimulate our minds, have you ever taken a course in massage therapy, do you have any interesting hobbies like painting, music, crafts, etc.? I would really encourage any submissive or slave reading this to think about it carefully. Here's a tip for your profiles, take a personal inventory of the skills you have to offer, look at that list I just gave for ideas, what skills do you have to offer in service to a dominant. Now take that list an post it in your profile. Don't tell us how much you need to serve, how much of a painslut you are, how deeply you desire to crawl across the floor to us and beg to be played with... that doesn't impress us. Tell us what you can do for us, how can you serve us... because understand this, as a slave you are there to serve your dominant. If you lack skills, are you at least willing to learn? If I send you to a belly dancing class, are you going to go and give it your 100% best effort, will you stick with violin or piano lessons several times a week in order to please me, if I send you to a cooking class are you going to take it seriously?

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The reality of competent Dominants is that they require competent service. Nothing else will do. And an incompetent Dominant will not be able to maintain a workable situation with a slave for long-and that person will find themselves on the street,in a world of hurt.

Learn to serve us and we'll take care of you. But, for the submissive who thinks they can get away with just looking cute and begging for sex, don't be shocked when we kick you to the curb so fast it'll leave skid marks on your ass!

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What the sub needs to figure out is why he has such a bottomless pit when it comes to the need for affirmation. A sub that says his only need, his deepest need, is just to *serve* is really seeking affirmation, praise, self worth, self image. Sadly, this CANNOT be obtained by serving a femdom. Because a femdom is not a mind reader or a shrink, and does not have unlimited emotional strength to keep filling him up.

It can't be obtained by serving any competent dominant (btw Fidelity, that's a good term for us, I like it). Even those of us who have taken a serious interest in psychology, we can't read minds and we can't make up for that emptiness. At best we can guide a submissive through the process of healing, but we won't even do that unless the submissive first shows us a genuine desire to heal and change.

As a dominant, I do not want an automaton. If I could be happy with that I'd hire Honda Robotics and Real Dolls to whip me out a pleasure android and be done with it. I want a living breathing person who can take the initiative, who surprises me in little ways with the things she does for me. It might be something as simple as a batch of fresh baked cookies for no particular reason, it might be reminding me to come to bed when I've stayed up too late working on a project and lost track of time, and its all the other ways she tries to make my life easier and more pleasant. Sure I want the kinky sex, I'm a very horny Irishman! But it takes a lot more than that to make a 24/7 relationship work. Sometimes I think what we need more of at events is not demonstrations on how to use a single tail or do fire play, but classes on relationship skills and teaching effective communication.

There have been more than a few debates here from submissives who felt like or were tired of "dominants" seeing them as only sex toys. While I can sympathize with that, here's a clue, you want to be looked at as something more than a sex toy, then take the nude shots off your profile and be something more than a sex toy. Show you have more to offer than just sexual service. It won't impress the HNGs, but trust me, the kind of dominant you say you want will notice.

I see a lot of profiles here at CM for PYTs (pretty young things), if you think that just because you get 500 emails from HNGs begging to collar you makes you a hot commodity, think again. If you think just because you have perky tits and a darling smile makes you irresistable, think again. Let me share a reality check with you. I have my shit together, I offer a 24/7 live in position in a private home that includes stability and security, full medical benefits and a retirement plan; living with a competent dominant who is ambitious as hell, knows where he is going in life and has not just one plan to get there but several back up plans. I'm charming, good looking, intelligent, well educated and well heeled. I don't need to look on here to find a slave. In the nearly 5 months I've been a member of CM I have written to just 3 profiles with an interest in getting to know them as a potential slave... just three. I'm that picky, I can afford to be because I'm a competent dominant. Not one of those profiles had a nude photo in it. Not one of those three talked about what a hot sexy slut they would be. What they did do to catch my attention was sound sincere and let me see a bit of who they are as a person. Some of them were creative people, one just sounded like she was very kind and caring. I wrote to them because I thought I saw real potential, I took the time to write them a letter that took interest in them as a person. When a competent dominant takes the time to show that kind of interest in you, that's opportunity knocking and it likely won't knock twice. Its not too hard to spot us when we write to you, we don't beg. So take some advice, learn how to be of service and when opportunity knocks, answer. You won't be young and cute forever.

BTW, am I the only one who watched Kept, and thought it had some interesting parallels to this lifestyle?

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 5:12:54 AM   
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Read the thread, ok, but to me it comes to a simple little term, for both sides, you have to bring in your worth every day, what that worth is is up to the family, and or couple.


Matters not what your title, alpha, servent, toy, Master, dom what you are eating, sleeping, and useing space here, you will contripute in one way or another to the working of the realm.
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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 5:55:10 AM   
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Padriag this post is not in response to you...just a general post to the topic at hand.

This thread has been bothering me a bit and I have had a hard time understanding exactly why as I have never been in the position of being the "stay at home" type of slave. I have always worked outside of the home so what is being discussed here really doesn't apply much to me. After giving this some thought though, I realize that what is bothering me about this is that I think that what needs to be touched on has more to do with realistic expectations than whether or not one works or one does not.

I have seen examples of the "free ride" slave and to be honest, those types of situations are generally not long lasting. Most Dominants, or at least the ones that I know, will not tolerate a cancerous growth on the couch for very long, no matter how perky her tits may be.

I have also seen, with much more frequency, the opposite end of that spectrum. slaves who will run themselves into the ground trying to fill all of the expectations that their Dominant has of them...sometimes to the point of making themselves sick. I have been guilty of doing this to myself a time or two. I am talking about Dominants who expect their submissives/slaves to hold down full time employment 8 to 10 hours a day and also take care of EVERY other household, domestic or personal need in addition to their outside work.

The Dominant wants the slave to go to work every morning and put in her 10 hours, come home and make sure the lawn is mowed, the flower garden is weeded, the house is dusted, vacuummed, windows are sparkling, floors you could eat off, the shopping is done, laundry is completed, the bathroom is scrubbed, the grout between the tiles has been gone over with a toothbrush, the dog has had a bath, the car has been run through the car wash, the dry cleaning has been picked up, the checkbook has been balanced, the freezer has been defrosted, the sheets have been changed and the pillows have been fluffed, the silver is polished, the unmentionable(gosh we can't forget them and the 1,000 extra tasks they require each day) have been given their after school snack, run to all of their various clubs and events, homework has been gone over and done, school clothes have been attended to, lunch boxes have been cleaned and are ready for the next day, and there is a fresh garden salad, a roast with mashed potatoes and gravy, fresh green beans and homemade bread sitting on the table when Master walks in the door from HIS long day. Now you can start taking care of all of his needs....and don't forget, you have to look sexy and appealing too so that he can get into the mood to have you take care of all those kinky sexual needs a bit later this evening. Wow, are you tired yet?

So you see, the pendulum can swing both ways. I think that it really does boil down to realistic expectations. There are only so many hours in a day and most of us were blessed with 2 hands, even if 4 would have made life so much easier. Of course, no one should have the expectation that they can come into a Dominants home and do nothing other than look pretty and suck good cock, but on the flip side Dominants also have to realize that we are still mere mortal beings and that our service also has limits that are dictated by the factors of time and our human condition. It's all about finding a balance and what is going to work out for each individual household.

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~erin~

There are no victims here...only volunteers.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 6:36:43 AM   
tinkJH


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The Dominant wants the slave to go to work every morning and put in her 10 hours, come home and make sure the lawn is mowed, the flower garden is weeded, the house is dusted, vacuummed, windows are sparkling, floors you could eat off, the shopping is done, laundry is completed, the bathroom is scrubbed, the grout between the tiles has been gone over with a toothbrush, the dog has had a bath, the car has been run through the car wash, the dry cleaning has been picked up, the checkbook has been balanced, the freezer has been defrosted, the sheets have been changed and the pillows have been fluffed, the silver is polished, the unmentionable(gosh we can't forget them and the 1,000 extra tasks they require each day) have been given their after school snack, run to all of their various clubs and events, homework has been gone over and done, school clothes have been attended to, lunch boxes have been cleaned and are ready for the next day, and there is a fresh garden salad, a roast with mashed potatoes and gravy, fresh green beans and homemade bread sitting on the table when Master walks in the door from HIS long day. Now you can start taking care of all of his needs....and don't forget, you have to look sexy and appealing too so that he can get into the mood to have you take care of all those kinky sexual needs a bit later this evening. Wow, are you tired yet?


Am I the only one that suddenly wants to cry at this list?


Before I was moved in with Master - I did all the above, minus tending to him. I had to work 10 hours, shove the kids in daycare then do everything when I got home at 6pm and be up by 5am to get ready to go, the kids fed so that the day could start all over. I woke up, got dressed and ready, made breakfast, got everyone else up and ready, fed the kids, out the door and to daycare/work - 6pm is was home, spend 15 minutes talking with the kids about what they learned and did as I made dinner, gave them baths, read one book each, shoved them in bed, then went about cleaning the house, getting laundry done and put away, making sure everything was nice and orderly (Sorry, Im a neat freak and a perfectionist) and then I would take my own bath, relax an hour and go to bed.. just to get up and do it all over. Even on my days off I had to go out do all the shopping, take the kids to the park and other little things to keep them busy and happy.

Do I miss it? Sometimes. But I am busy enough at home. Master has certain things he likes and wants done by the time he gets home, and certain things done by the time he wakes up. However, I had a mild OCD. I have to do things in a certain order and a certain way - He allows me this, as long as it gets done. And it all does. I dust, I wash the windows, I take out the trash, I sweep, I mop, I vaccum, I wash the walls, I scrub and vaccum the stairs, I even pull the toilet apart and fish the toys out of it when they're flushed down. I clean, sweep and straighten the basement, I do the laundry, I fold it, I put it away, I clean the cat's box, I wash the dogs (not everyday), I fluffy the sofa, change the sheets on most the beds, and see to it that generally - the house is clean, liveable and everything is organized neatly and in place.

Anyone that wants to call me unproductice and not worth as much as someone that has a job. Fine, I would LOVE to see them live a day in my shoes. I know that if I DID get paid for the things I do around the house, I would make more a week then they did. Maid Serivces in this area get paid 120 for a 2 hours visit for general cleaning, and get paid more for even more detailed cleaning and for the longer amount of time they are there. I don't have to work for someone else, outside the house, in order to "work" and be considered productive and "worth" something. I am productive to Master, and to his house and priceless to him. That is all that matters.

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"I know you didn't bring me out here to drown,
so why am I ten feet under and upside down..? " (Lifehouse ~ Storm)


~the everyday rantings of a still learning mommy slave~
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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 7:54:23 AM   
hardbodysub


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Hello? I didn't miss the point, I'm merely pointing out that there is another side of the coin. For crying out loud ...

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 8:54:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fidelity

Correct.

A live- in slave operates much more like a competent employee. After the training period,they are expected to function on thier own-with minimal oversight. Few who have the mentality of needing to be micromanaged can deal with this.

I have had a few like this approach me in the past-they were basically dysfunctional in real life,and felt they needed close supervision to make anything of themselves. But seriously,why would someone competent enough in life to afford a slave,want an incompetent slave?

I asked what thier work qualifications were.....they could offer none,they were screw ups. Then I asked how they expected to pay thier way.....one stuttured something about being a "pet".

I told her,"Do you really think that sex and play is so important to me overall, that it's the ONLY thing I would require of you? It is NOT that EASY!!!!

The reality of competent Dominants is that they require competent service. Nothing else will do. And an incompetent Dominant will not be able to maintain a workable situation with a slave for long-and that person will find themselves on the street,in a world of hurt.

No fallback,nothing.

Think carefully before entertaining a 24 7 fantasy.

You need to be able to bring a lot more than just your ELBOWS to put on the table!


I’m going to reply here to the thread generally as though I was issuing a statement to a potential 24/7 sive in slave who has no employment experience.

“From what you’ve told me your main work experience has been in the area of domestic duties. This is what I want; however I will not hold your hand every inch of the road as I too have other things, which take, up much of my attention. You will be given schedules listing Weekly Duties and a separate list showing you Daily Duties. Any additional tasks, which will crop uf at times, will be posted on the Notice Board along with the other two lists. It is your job to check the board daily. You will be given instructions regarding various tasks and you will be taught how we like our coffee or tea as well as dietary details including food likes and dislikes. I expect you to use initiative and if you see something amiss like something left laying around I expect you to deal with it or put the item away. Things will happen from time to time where you will need to ask me what I want done. However if I am not around, deal with it and report to me as soon as I’m available. Part of your training will consist on how I want serves of food and refreshment to be done, posture and your conduct when we have guests or when there is only the two of us there. This will be along Gorean standards. Regarding grocery shopping, you will consult with Lady Neets and myself. You will be taken to the market to carry out this task. I do expect you to ask if you don’t understand anything.”



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Iron Bear

Master of Bruin Cottage

http://www.bruincottage.org

Your attitude, words & actions are yours. Take responsibility for them and the consequences they incur.

D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F.

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RE: Looking for a free ride - 8/14/2005 8:57:39 AM   
Fidelity


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Tink?

Part of being a Competent Dominant is realizing that a girl can only do so much during any given day. And accepting that,and being realistic.

Burning out your property with overwork, is NOT taking care of it.

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