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Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/26/2007 5:57:12 PM

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The Southern Poverty Law Center reported more than 50 noose incidents since September. Hanging ropes evoking the thousands of lynchings of black men that occurred in the U.S. have been found on a Columbia University professor's door, a Boston subway train and a Houston factory, among others.

The center has started tracking noose incidents since the so-called Jena Six case.

The civil libertarians, including the ACLU, oppose a new bill introduced by Rep. Laura Richardson which would criminalize hanging nooses under federal penal law.

http://www.dailynews.com/ci_7558211

What do Y/you think?

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/26/2007 6:44:00 PM

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"The Southern Poverty Law Center."
That's all you had to say!
We should make a law outlawing groups like them.
Hey, let's start a new "RELIGION" that worships hangman's nooses.
Ask those dumb fuckers about the laws on the books now against hiring illegal aliens. Why isn't the SPLC up in arms about those laws not being enforced?
Cripes, I swear every taxi driver, waitress/waiter, homeless person, drug addict/ alchoholic is becomming a "lawyer!"

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/26/2007 6:44:50 PM

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"The Southern Poverty Law Center."
That's all you had to say!
We should make a law outlawing groups like them.

Why is that ,Popeye?

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/26/2007 6:50:54 PM

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I think we need to be careful about what we ask for.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/26/2007 7:24:54 PM

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Wow, 50 incidents! It's an epidemic. That's probably about how many there were before they started keeping track.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 7:41:22 PM

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quote:

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"The Southern Poverty Law Center."
That's all you had to say!
We should make a law outlawing groups like them.
Hey, let's start a new "RELIGION" that worships hangman's nooses.
Ask those dumb fuckers about the laws on the books now against hiring illegal aliens. Why isn't the SPLC up in arms about those laws not being enforced?
Cripes, I swear every taxi driver, waitress/waiter, homeless person, drug addict/ alchoholic is becomming a "lawyer!"

popeye:
If you had read the article you might have noticed that neither the SPLC nor the ACLU have endorsed the pending legislation. It would appear that you agree with them.
I thought you had mentioned that you were a retired service man and that as such you had worn a uniform to protect their right to voice their opinion. Now you seek to silence them....whaddup?
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 7:44:10 PM

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quote:

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Wow, 50 incidents! It's an epidemic. That's probably about how many there were before they started keeping track.

Estring:
This is an opinion which you do not seem to be interested in doing any research to validate...thus it remains ...opinion.
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 8:04:53 PM

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The center has started tracking noose incidents since the so-called Jena Six case.

.................................................... Why "so called?"........................................ Do you not agree with something about the incident? I'm not really concerned with the fact that a Southern Poverty Law Center exist. Apperantly there are people out there that need it and it fills their needs. At least someone is doing it. I'm not too sure I even care about them attempting to pass this new bill. I'm sure there will be people hollaring about their right to freedom of expression or some such. What I care about right now is why I keep hearing the phrase "so called" when the Jena Six case is mentioned; which is rarely. So tell me......why the "so called Jena Six case?"

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 8:13:48 PM

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yup just a razors edge from telling you what religion you gotta be. Oh wait thats the radical islam extremeists what have fucked up laws.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 9:52:04 PM

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What I care about right now is why I keep hearing the phrase "so called" when the Jena Six case is mentioned; which is rarely. So tell me......why the "so called Jena Six case?"

How many of the Jena Six went to jail on the felony attempted murder charges that so outraged people?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/jena6.asp

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 10:19:57 PM

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yup just a razors edge from telling you what religion you gotta be. Oh wait thats the radical islam extremeists what have fucked up laws.

Yup, it's the slippery slope. Then you'll only get so many gallons of gas per week and if you swear in public you lose 1 gallon.
I think people are missing the point here.
It's about *our government* trying to *dictate* to the people!
The govt is supposed to be *serving* the people not trying to tell us what we can or cannot do.
What if people started walking around with nooses around their own necks?
Would that be a "crime?"
And if a noose represents something wouldn't that be freedom of speech?
And what if the noose only had 7 or 8 loops around it? Would it be a "real" noose if it didn't have the required 13 loops?
Making "noose-hanging" a federal crime wouldn't do anything anyway.
How are they going to enforce it? There's 20 million illegal aliens who committed a "federal crime" to sneak into our country here right now.
I don't see *our govt* doing it's job and arresting and deporting them.
Oh, and then there's Halloween. Look at all the people who hang dummies up in their front yards! lol
If this rediculousness passes we could have a LOT of fun with it!
Hanging nooses on the side of roads and calling the cops! No, wait! The FBI!!!
"Hello, FBI there's 30 fucking nooses hung up along a 60 mile stretch of rt 95!"
"What are you calling us for?"
"The Police said to call you because it's a federal crime now get some forensic teams down there NOW college boy!"
"But our nearest office is 70 miles away and we're closing for the weekend in about two hours."
"Do I have to call Congressman Smith's office!"
Oh yeah, lots of fun.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 10:21:13 PM

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I'd like to know what she is going to define as a hate symbol. You can turn almost anything into a threat or insult.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 10:38:55 PM

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Slaveboy, I know guys up in Boston who hate the cops and the fbi.
They'd be putting them everywhere!
And to paraphrase Sen. Ted "Lifeguard" Kennedy they'd do it again and again and again and again and again. lol
The Boston FBI Office would never be able to solve a bank robbery they'd be so tied up on, "noose patrol!"
The thing is you can put them anywhere!
And if it's going to be a federal crime they have to do a "full" investigation for *each* noose! Right? lolol
Shit, the wiseguys would be calling their congressmen; "Hey, those pos FBI guys didn't even investigate that fuckin noose thing in Maverick Sq.!" "They didn't even dust for fingerprints!"
"And now there's two more going towards Logan airport!"
"We, er, I got a video tape of those schtroonz's picking their noses for 15 fuckin' minutes!"
"Do YOU guys want it or should I send it to Channel 7 News?"
"I want a THOUROUGH 4 hour investi- fuckin-gation on every single noose incident!"
"Those Irish guys are fuckin with us again, my fuckin civil RIGHTS are being stepped on here!"

If all you have to do is hang a noose up the FBI is going to be in DEEP shit!
And they can do it again and again and again!
"We want a FULL investigation!"
And that's just in Boston.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/28/2007 11:02:17 PM

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Oh I know how it is. You hear about someone burning a cross around here occasionally. It's usually teenagers playing a prank, thinking it's funny. There isn't a real KKK anymore, not the kind they had when my parents were growing up anyway. But they still send the cops out to investigate it like there was. People are just prone to hysterics anytime there is an incident. I remember people being convinced that Satanists were running around the country kidnapping people for sacrifices. They had a guy come to my high school with pictures of graffiti on underpasses to prove it. It was so ridiculous it was funny.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 6:02:27 AM

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It's a tricky issue. Overwhelmingly, when it's done, it's racist. However, nooses are pretty d- old and most people think nothing of them. A guy here in my hometown (Columbia, SC) got in trouble for hanging one alongside his Halloween decorations...pumpkins and ghosts. My dad, who built a platform in his yard to hang upside down from (he's a weird guy) used the extra rope to make a noose and then when I came outside, waved it at me and went, Ooooh, it's gonna get you! (I told you he was weird)

My point is... These people could certainly do without their nooses, but there's sort of a rights thing here. They're not practicing hatespeech, should they really be charged with a federal crime for stuff like that? Since the noosehangings, the racial ones, in a lot of places, have been anonymous, will this really help? Hopefully so...

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 6:02:54 AM

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Oh I know how it is. You hear about someone burning a cross around here occasionally. It's usually teenagers playing a prank, thinking it's funny. There isn't a real KKK anymore, not the kind they had when my parents were growing up anyway. But they still send the cops out to investigate it like there was. People are just prone to hysterics anytime there is an incident. I remember people being convinced that Satanists were running around the country kidnapping people for sacrifices. They had a guy come to my high school with pictures of graffiti on underpasses to prove it. It was so ridiculous it was funny.

slaveboyforyou:
The KKK does not exist anymore?????? Have you just returned from the "brain donor clinic"?
Do the names Tom Metzger or David Duke mean anything to you? These mindless ass-wipes are still lynching people. That is why Metzger is in prison.
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 6:24:50 AM

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slaveboyforyou:
The KKK does not exist anymore?????? Have you just returned from the "brain donor clinic"?
Do the names Tom Metzger or David Duke mean anything to you? These mindless ass-wipes are still lynching people. That is why Metzger is in prison.
thompson

I said there wasn't a "real" KKK anymore. Yes, there are some morons that still run around shouting racial epithets from bullhorns on courthouse steps. But there are no more white citizen's councils and the KKK doesn't control county governments anymore. They have no power. Metzger was the head of the White Aryan Resistance, not the KKK. He is not in prison right now, and he never lynched anyone. He was found liable in a case where some of his followers beat a African immigrant to death. He lost money, but not his freedom. David Duke served time for tax evasion and fraud if memory serves. He was never convicted or suspected of any kind of violent crime. Do some research before you call people names.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 6:47:32 AM

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slaveboyforyou:
The KKK does not exist anymore?????? Have you just returned from the "brain donor clinic"?
Do the names Tom Metzger or David Duke mean anything to you? These mindless ass-wipes are still lynching people. That is why Metzger is in prison.
thompson

I said there wasn't a "real" KKK anymore. Yes, there are some morons that still run around shouting racial epithets from bullhorns on courthouse steps. But there are no more white citizen's councils and the KKK doesn't control county governments anymore. They have no power. Metzger was the head of the White Aryan Resistance, not the KKK. He is not in prison right now, and he never lynched anyone. He was found liable in a case where some of his followers beat a African immigrant to death. He lost money, but not his freedom. David Duke served time for tax evasion and fraud if memory serves. He was never convicted or suspected of any kind of violent crime. Do some research before you call people names.

slaveboyforyou:
I have not called you any names. As for Metzger and Duke...yup... they are ass-wipes and so is the KKK and the WAR.
Tom Metzger was the Grand Dragon of the KKK for the state of California.
Tom Metzger did prison time in both California and Canada.
It would also seem that his asinine behavior was the proximate cause of the death of his wife.
You are right he is no longer in prison.
As for your contention that the KKK no longer "really" exists...that was the same thing its founder Nathan Forrest said when he had his ass hauled before congress back in 1871.
It would appear that your memory is faulty. Perhaps it is you who should do a little research.
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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 6:55:33 AM

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More BS from ThompsonX... Metzger was not sent to prison for lynching, and the KKK of the first half of the 20th century does not exist in any meaningful fashion today.
Totally fabricated, much like the 'cocaine is not addictive' quote from his imaginary PDR, and his claims about military service of others.

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RE: Hanging Nooses as Federal Crime - 11/29/2007 7:10:22 AM

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As it isn't illegal to deface public and private property with symbols of racial and religious hatred, sick fucks use the excuse of the First Amendment to carry out their intimidation tactics. It's terrorism.

In England there is legislation in force that aims to prevent such displays of hatred. In a democracy (arguably), should freedom of speech be used as an excuse to racially insult and terrorise communities and individuals?

(Pieces of legislation available on request.)

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