Stephann
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"I'll pitch a couple thoughts in; I won't be sucked into the Bush is evil/good debate. He's gone in a year anyway.
Chavez isn't squelching television stations because they're backed by the US. He's using his power to squelch Venezualan media that does not support him. During the attempted coup, they didn't present news about how it went (or didn't.) They played cartoons (CNN has the backlog of stories.)
How do you know this?
I read the news. I happened to be living in Latin America at the time, so the region's stability had a more personal impact on my life.
SFGate
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Chávez decided not to allow RCTV's license to be renewed because, he claimed, the station had encouraged an attempted coup d'état against his government that took place in 2002. At that time, the station "ran movies and cartoons when the tide turned in Chávez's favor" and "refused to show huge crowds of the president's supporters rallying against the coup['s] leaders." Opinion-poll data indicate that "almost 70 percent of Venezuelans opposed the shut-down [of RCTV], but most cited the loss of their favorite soap operas rather than concerns about limits on freedom of expression." .
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He's made it clear, "you're for me, or you're against me."
Kinda like bush&co.
Why would it be right for Chavez, and wrong for Bush?
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There's no middle ground in Venezuala. I believe (still) that democracy isn't about taking sides; it's about having the right to express how you feel. Chavez is attempting to take his country out of democracy, by leading the poor and hungry to revolt for him. Lenin did the same thing.
I would love to see the arguements that communism as Stalin imposed was good for the USSR.
Perhaps you might compare the literacy rate and GDP of the USSR to Czarist Russia.
Would you like those figures adjusted to account for the 5 million or so peasents executed under Stalins rule? I'm sure if we practiced the same form of human extermination of our 5 million poorest and least literate, we'd also se a drastic increase in both our literacy rate and GDP.
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Rest assured, the only possible successor to Chavez will be someone equally bloody. A quick look at the deaths, imprisonment, and misery in Cuba under Chavez's close friend Castro gives us a lovely walk down memory lane.
I would be interested in you telling me just who all of these dead and imprisoned Cubans are.
From what I have read the majority of the misery in Cuba has been caused by the U.S.
"There were thousands of executions, forty, fifty thousand political prisoners. The treatment of political prisoners, with what we today know about human rights and the international norms governing human rights ... it is legitimate to raise questions about possible crimes against humanity in Cuba."
- Professor Marifeli Pérez Stable, a former Castro supporter
One of the more frustrating things about these discussions, is that I'm certain that they tend to be more a war of "I'm right, here's my proof" rather than "Here's what I think and why."
I'm not always right, and I'm willing to see issues from an opposing viewpoint, in order to understand the issue better.
Are you?
Stephan
< Message edited by Stephann -- 11/30/2007 1:55:07 PM >
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