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Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 7:36:19 AM   
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In the closing days of campaigning for the referendum, with the government holding huge rallies, officials have continued to warn of anti-Chavez plots that could originate in the church or the business community.

Indeed, the authorities said they were going to investigate church leaders as well as CNN, which came under criticism after placing a caption reading, "Who Killed Him?" on a photograph of Chavez. The network said the caption was an error, designed for a story about the investigation into the murder of Washington Redskins player Sean Taylor.

On Friday, a day when an estimated 200,000 people in Caracas rallied in support of Chavez, officials saw yet one more possible sign of conspiracy. Toilet paper is in short supply -- as are milk, eggs and other staples.

"We know there are sectors hiding toilet paper," Finance Minister Rodrigo Cabezas said on state television. "A group of business leaders are playing mean, playing dirty." He said it was designed to "create the sensation of product shortage during the election."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22049468/page/2/ 



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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 9:19:46 AM   
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When it comes to toilet paper all it takes is for one person to suggest publicly that there is a shortage or one about to occur and it becomes self-prophesying. Johnny Carson proved that back in the early 70's when the US had shortages of gasoline, meat, sugar, and coffee and he got on the Tonight Show one night and jokingly asked, "What's next? A toilet paper shortage?" By nightfall of the following day you could not find a roll of toilet paper on any store shelf. People scared of the idea began hording toilet paper. Even a decade later I had a landlord who had a storeroom in his basement that was filled with at least a five year supply of toilet paper. He told me he had stocked up during the toilet paper shortage of the 70's as though there had been a real shortage. In effect there was, but it was entirely manufactured on fear.

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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 9:46:57 AM   
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There were gasoline shortages because the moronic idea of price controls interrupted supplies, but I don't a recall meat, sugar, coffee or toilet paper shortage. There might have been a bad coffee harvest or two, but that's all I recall concerning any shortages at about that time

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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 10:15:06 AM   
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It was spun out of a news item about Congressional discussion on the bidding process for all the TP the government used, IIRC. 

In the USSR of the 70s, it was commonly reported that buyers faced shortages of meat, sugar, etc.

Don't remember any in the US during that time.

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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 5:05:48 PM   
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Sugar shortage...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908958,00.html

Meat Shortage...
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MEAT: World production rose only 1% last year, not enough to keep up with the increase in population—or the burgeoning demand in industrialized countries that are experiencing an inflationary boom. Output in the European Common Market actually dropped because of a blundering policy that encouraged farmers to reduce cattle herds in order to eliminate dairy-product surpluses.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,907751,00.html

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Most cheering to consumers—and worrisome for farmers—is the conversion of last year's meat shortage into a glut, as a result of heavy production and a continuing reluctance by budget conscious housewives to buy meat as freely as they once did. 

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,942890,00.html

Couldn't quickly find any documentation on the coffee shortage but I remember people being up in arms because coffee had risen from roughly $1.25/lb to $5.00/lb very quickly due to short supply.

All of these shortages may have been artificially created by suppliers to drive up market prices, but on the grocery store shelves they were quite real.


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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 5:32:45 PM   
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i did not know toilet paper was not taxable in PA. some lady sued kmart in Pittsburgh for charging her tax. 

today at the grocery store- i bought hanburger that was marked $3.29  down from $7.89.  the scanner rejected- teh clerk and maager lectured me -that it was LAST weeks sale!  I firmly said- the tag says $3.29.  i guess i was supposed to say- "oh ok"... the screw balls!

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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/1/2007 6:03:09 PM   
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Maybe black ops should go put poison Ivy in Chavez's TP and blame it on his military leaders...

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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/2/2007 12:40:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

There were gasoline shortages because the moronic idea of price controls interrupted supplies, but I don't a recall meat, sugar, coffee or toilet paper shortage. There might have been a bad coffee harvest or two, but that's all I recall concerning any shortages at about that time


I don't think there was a coffee shortage.
You could buy all the coffee you wanted,...for a price!

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RE: Alleged toilet-paper tampering - 12/2/2007 5:15:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

Sugar shortage...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908958,00.html

Meat Shortage...
quote:

MEAT: World production rose only 1% last year, not enough to keep up with the increase in population—or the burgeoning demand in industrialized countries that are experiencing an inflationary boom. Output in the European Common Market actually dropped because of a blundering policy that encouraged farmers to reduce cattle herds in order to eliminate dairy-product surpluses.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,907751,00.html

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Most cheering to consumers—and worrisome for farmers—is the conversion of last year's meat shortage into a glut, as a result of heavy production and a continuing reluctance by budget conscious housewives to buy meat as freely as they once did. 

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,942890,00.html

Couldn't quickly find any documentation on the coffee shortage but I remember people being up in arms because coffee had risen from roughly $1.25/lb to $5.00/lb very quickly due to short supply.

All of these shortages may have been artificially created by suppliers to drive up market prices, but on the grocery store shelves they were quite real.




Those links talk about skyrocketing prices, with some vague reference to their cause being a nebulous shortage one minute and a glut the next.

There was in fact meat, etc. on US shelves for those who wanted to pay more. 

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