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Flechettes - 12/1/2007 4:02:55 PM

NewKnotTyer

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Ive been somewhat inspired by kushiels dart and am looking for flechettes, which im guessing are scalpels? anyhow, ive searched the nooks and crannies of the internets and have come up with nothing. do they exist, or am i really just looking for scalpels....?

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 4:09:19 PM

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Funny, last Saturday I was looking all over the house for some to show my friend.
I had about a dozen or so from Vietnam... maybe we are talking about something different?

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 5:14:40 PM

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heh, i think we may be. what im wanting is im guessing a scalpel that i can use on my sub while i have her bound to cut her skin, causing the skin to part and a little blood, but no lasting marks.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 6:19:44 PM

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I don't know of the "no lasting marks" part...

Perhaps you want a lancet (sometimes spelled lancette and also called a lance)? It is a double-edge blade, usually in a v-shape. Most common usage for a lancet is to insert in a spring-loaded holder and then released to prick a finger to get a couple drops of blood to measure blood sugar levels. The tiny hole that was made does not leave a mark; but if you were to use it drawn along the skin, it might be different (and I'm not sure that much different than a scalpel).

A scalpel is a single-edged blade.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 7:26:20 PM

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The French word flechette means "little arrow" or dart projectile of steel that is sharp and pointed with a vaned tail for stable flight, according to Wikipedia.

Lancets are what you want sounds like. They usually come individually packaged and sterile. A lancet can be similar to a scalpel but with a double-edged blade, or a needle used in a device for diabetics to check blood sugar by extracting a drop or two of blood. The blade-type can be used for a finger stick, but are also used medically for other purposes. The ones I have seen were a smallish metal rectangle with a 1/4" long triangular blade in the middle of one end. The "shoulders" provided by the rectangle edges imited how deeply ot could be inserted.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 8:00:15 PM

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thanls for everyone ttrying to help! Here is an exerpt from the book kushiels dart, where i sorta got the idea....

"For you, my dear," I heard her whisper, "I will not dally with lesser toys."
A sound, then, of a catch being lifted. I hung suspended, too high to kneel, too weak to stand, and wondered what.
"Do you know these?" The cold caress of steel against my cheek, a razor-fine edge tracing the line of the sash binding my eyes. "They are called flechettes."
Then I did weep, and it availed nothing.

So, what im wanting to do, in essence, is cut my sub while she is bound. I dont want anything deep, just the first layers of skin. I do think maybe im after scalpels, or maybe a nice exacto set would do.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 9:08:06 PM

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X-acto blades aren't sterile, yannow...

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RE: Flechettes - 12/1/2007 11:19:52 PM

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This is what they are but I don't think it is what you are looking for:
http://www.armslocker.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-32156.html

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 1:10:05 AM

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Here you go, and with pictures.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM005-57714-1395.html

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 1:23:28 AM

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quote:

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Here you go, and with pictures.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM005-57714-1395.html

ahhhhhh you had to post that site....

there is a Demascus steel sword for 130 on that site.... Christmas ideas folks...

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 5:44:40 AM

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i was never very clear from the novels on whether flechettes were needles or blades... Since it translates as "little arrows", i've always thought of them more as needles, 5-6" long, solid, with a long ground point that could also be used to cut. No real analog to anything existing today.

However, lancets do seem like the best tool for what you're trying to do. Definitely better than an X-acto. i've had hobby knives used on me for cuttings, and it doesn't take much pressure to go significantly deeper than you'd intended.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 5:46:23 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I don't know of the "no lasting marks" part...

Perhaps you want a lancet (sometimes spelled lancette and also called a lance)? It is a double-edge blade, usually in a v-shape. Most common usage for a lancet is to insert in a spring-loaded holder and then released to prick a finger to get a couple drops of blood to measure blood sugar levels. The tiny hole that was made does not leave a mark; but if you were to use it drawn along the skin, it might be different (and I'm not sure that much different than a scalpel).

A scalpel is a single-edged blade.

Cali

Kinda like this device, would be fun to play with, especially when the canvas is bound and blindfolded. Then you could carefully paint tiny little red marks all over her soft skin. Nice.

As for knife play, you could always find something BIG and mean to flash around. Then after your sub is blindfolded use something small, sterile and far easier to handle with out mistake. At least that's what I'd do, but then I'm not really experienced enough at play to want to take any risks. I'm more interested in getting into a little girls head. Well....ok....that's a lie.
But I do like mental play as much as physical. And it's as much about what's perceived as it is what actually happens, just brushing the skin with the edge of cold steal will likely get an interesting response. Hope you find what you're looking for dude.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 6:37:07 AM

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quote:

Kinda like this device, would be fun to play with, especially when the canvas is bound and blindfolded. Then you could carefully paint tiny little red marks all over her soft skin. Nice.

As for knife play, you could always find something BIG and mean to flash around. Then after your sub is blindfolded use something small, sterile and far easier to handle with out mistake. At least that's what I'd do, but then I'm not really experienced enough at play to want to take any risks. I'm more interested in getting into a little girls head. Well....ok....that's a lie.
But I do like mental play as much as physical. And it's as much about what's perceived as it is what actually happens, just brushing the skin with the edge of cold steal will likely get an interesting response. Hope you find what you're looking for dude.

Hugs.

YES, GOD YES! What a wonderful idea, thank you! Ive since realized that Im not looking for flechettes, that thats probably just a word she used in the novel. My sub likes the idea of a big heavy straight razor (like or shaving) however, i need to make sure that these marks heal as quickly as possible, at least for now anyhow; so i think that lancets may be the way to go. Thanks again for all the insight and advice!

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 9:16:29 AM

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lol, is all good. Have fun.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 9:49:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: petdave
i was never very clear from the novels on whether flechettes were needles or blades... Since it translates as "little arrows", i've always thought of them more as needles, 5-6" long, solid, with a long ground point that could also be used to cut. No real analog to anything existing today.

Actually, a 16 or 18 ga hypodermic needle will both pierce and cut and you can get them sterile at livestock supply places. Modern hypodermic needles are a hollow shaft cut at the end on a sharp slant to make the point. That slant is sharp and can also be used to cut. The big-bore needles also are sturdy and unlikely to break with most use.

But for shallow skin cutting, I really would get sterile, individually wrapped lancets.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 1:30:11 PM

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I love the Kushel's Dart book.. and in the descriptions I have always seen in my head them being as swing razor blades.. Watch the trailer for Sweeny Todd... and you will know what I mean.

Personaly I like the sterility of single use scapels. They do not dull, because they are one use only, they are sterile, and disposable.

Exacto knives are not sterile, and have a wicked burr to them most times. I dislike accidently cutting my finger on one. Little alone a sub.. icky!

As with any blood or knife play.. know your Grey's anatomy book inside and out.. be ever viglant for infection, and cutting to deep. Simple surface cuts will do wonders, and if well cared for will not scar badly. In these types of play it is best to have a go to person on hand to show you the ropes instead of all book knowledge. No book can accuratly tell you watch out for everything.. esp since each person is different.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 3:12:11 PM

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quote:

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Actually, a 16 or 18 ga hypodermic needle will both pierce and cut and you can get them sterile at livestock supply places. Modern hypodermic needles are a hollow shaft cut at the end on a sharp slant to make the point. That slant is sharp and can also be used to cut. The big-bore needles also are sturdy and unlikely to break with most use.

Certainly, i was just thinking academically, in terms of the novels... with the era they're set in, hollow-ground needles are unlikely.

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 8:46:19 PM

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I love Carrey for her use of just enough knowledge to make things interesting.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naamah_(demon)

It points to blades in the book.. I wouldnt let the French word translation for here throw you off of what the imagery in the book actualy was. I suppose I could just ask her. *smiles*

Like these old ones here: http://www.antiquemystique.com/barbershop.htm

http://www.nashvilleknifeshop.com/straight-razors-and-shaving-html1.html

I love the mother of pearl one.. damn my birthday is comming up too!

Gwyn,
who has got to get her hands on a new shiny ornate one.. *puuurs*

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 9:55:58 PM

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quote:

Personaly I like the sterility of single use scapels. They do not dull, because they are one use only, they are sterile, and disposable.

if you want to do cutting, which i don't recomend without a lot of education and training, which doesn't have to be from a medical school, but from somewhere reliable and someone that has done it before...the trial and error method can get kind of messy...please please please, go with tools that were built for the job...you can buy boxes of disposable scapels off the internet ...i did a google search and found thousands of sites to buy them from....

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RE: Flechettes - 12/2/2007 10:05:51 PM

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Always remember that when you cut someone, they may scar, no matter how fine the line, how shallow the cut, or how sharp the blade. You may not cause scars, but never pierce the skin unless you are prepared for it. If scars will be an issue, stick with mental knifeplay or restrict the area you cut.

Also, definitely stick with the single-use scalpels or lancettes. And practice on tomatoes first. Pick up some BZK wipes (benzalkonium chloride) to disinfect the area prior to cutting. It takes the romance out of it, but it's worth it. And I'm with chellekitty - attend a workshop at the Very Least if you can.

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