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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 11:06:30 AM   
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And the IMPORTANT THING is "Why buy the Bush Administration's MISDIRECTION from their own culpability towards whatever Clinton said"?

It's not about what Clinton Said. It's about the Criminal Fraud Bush Committed.




Hiya Fargle,

Actually, this thread is about what Clinton said.  There's plenty other "Bush is evil" threads to raise hell in.

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 11:51:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Falling for the distraction of "What Clinton Said" does NOTHING to restore Honor and Integrity to the White House.

And don't we need to focus on restoring Honor and Integrity to the White House?

Don't take the bait, and go down the pointless road they would like you to follow. That continues to let them define the discussion. And here there is no discussion.

Bush committed federal felonies resulting in the deaths of a million people.

To discuss anything BUT the Due Process required in this case is ludicrous.



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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 12:39:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dude, at any given time there are thousands of running threads on this site.  A few dozen active threads here in Off Topic are politically oriented.  Not every single thread needs to have your position on the Bush issue spamming it.  I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid; I'm saying your opinion on Bush has nothing to do with the original topic of Clinton using his perceived political clout to paint his wife as an agent of change when she's no less guilty (as a senator who voted for the war) than Bush; if anything, as a senator, she is one of a handful of politicians who, under our constitution, has the power to bring legal action against the President. 

You make some good points on various topics; but if you sound like a broken record, people start tuning you out after the fourth or fifth time.  Please stick to the issue at hand, and start a new thread with a different topic if you think it's necessary.

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 3:06:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has about as much validity as you "plugging" your fraud case in a thread about whether Bill Clinton "opposed" the war from the beginning. have you ever thought about starting your own thread about that? I actually feel those links have more validity in this thread, than your off thread comments on the fraud. You have still yet to draw the connection for me there.

Hold ALL political figures accountable for lies.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQVyznw2zE&feature=related

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What does that have to do with the intentional fraud committed by Bush, resulting in a million dead, or my comment about how pretty much everyone who is saying "Well Hilary should have known better before going along with the Iraqi-AUMF" WAS ALSO a gullible fool who fell for the con.

It's ludicrous to for any of the Suckers who fell for the Fraud to suggest that anyone else who also got suckered in by the con-men are somehow less responsible than they are.

People who fell for the Fraud, don't get to criticize anyone ELSE who fell for the Fraud. Hold the Fraudsters Accountable.




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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 3:09:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, the important thing on the topic I started is whether Clinton opposed the war from the beginning or not, and if he did not, then why did he say he did? Looks like a lie. Looks like you want to detract attention from Bill's lie, and only focus on Bush's lie.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And the IMPORTANT THING is "Why buy the Bush Administration's MISDIRECTION from their own culpability towards whatever Clinton said"?

It's not about what Clinton Said. It's about the Criminal Fraud Bush Committed.




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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 3:11:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		No there is enough attention span to include all the liars.

Just keep your socialistic nonsense up, because it is not helping with Honor or Integrity either?

Your point is a seperate topic, and this topic is a seperate point.


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Falling for the distraction of "What Clinton Said" does NOTHING to restore Honor and Integrity to the White House.

And don't we need to focus on restoring Honor and Integrity to the White House?

Don't take the bait, and go down the pointless road they would like you to follow. That continues to let them define the discussion. And here there is no discussion.

Bush committed federal felonies resulting in the deaths of a million people.

To discuss anything BUT the Due Process required in this case is ludicrous.




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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 4:29:59 PM   
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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 4:34:08 PM   
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No, the important thing on the topic I started is whether Clinton opposed the war from the beginning or not,


Yes, and I understand that the entire purpose of bringing up the topic of "What Clinton Does" is simply to distract people from the criminal acts of those CURRENTLY IN the White House.

I am simply reminding people that to even bother entertaining the question ONLY serves to insulate the true criminals from Justice.

Now, if someone was so gullible to have fallen for Bush's Fraud in the first place, I can understand them falling for this strategy. The are, of course, incorrect.


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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 5:17:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		No I did not bring it up to distract anyone. I actually believe most people are intelligent enough to be able to discuss and handle several issues at a time. Your reminding equates to any thread that mentions Iraq, has a minimum of 4 posts that mention the fraud. That is a little more than reminding people. If you want to remind people, then start a thread and post to it every few days so that it remains current.

There is no strategy here, other than when I was researching Hillary, this incident occured, so I posted about it. My mail has been coming regularly too, is it a distraction from Bush fraud?


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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

No, the important thing on the topic I started is whether Clinton opposed the war from the beginning or not,


Yes, and I understand that the entire purpose of bringing up the topic of "What Clinton Does" is simply to distract people from the criminal acts of those CURRENTLY IN the White House.

I am simply reminding people that to even bother entertaining the question ONLY serves to insulate the true criminals from Justice.

Now, if someone was so gullible to have fallen for Bush's Fraud in the first place, I can understand them falling for this strategy. The are, of course, incorrect.



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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 8:44:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a copy of Time magazine from the Lewinsky era (Feb 2, 1998), and it talks about how Clinton is treatening war against Saddam because he is not cooperating with the UN inspectors.  "Privately, White House aides are suggesting that U.S. military force may soon be unavoidable.  "We're not going to stand by if we feel that our interests are profoundly threatened," says one.  Administration officails believe Saddam's political and military authoirty would be disrupted by sustained bombing-even though they acknowledge air power alone is unliekly to eliminate his capability to resume production of chemical and biological weapons.  But if the U.N. monitors are unable to perform their mission, little is lost by resort to force, they argue."

So Clinton was reading to go to war in 1998, fully five years before war finally did break out. 

No, he supported the war at the time.

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 8:49:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Besides, no one running now will pull out US forces from Iraq for years.

We had and still have the right to intervene anywhere in the world we want, for any reason, at any time.

We have the power to do so, and will do so if it is in our best interests.  Of course, we aren't going to invade China or Russia.  There's no need to, anyway.  China is rapidly growing a middle class who will eventually bring about revolution in that country, once a world-wide economic slowdown shuts down the factories in China.  And Russia is a terrible basket case in the best of times (I've been to Russia, haven't been to China).

Our country runs on oil, we need oil, we take oil, either from buying it or from just, well, taking it.

Sorry! (not really)

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/20/2007 9:12:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And the IMPORTANT THING is "Why buy the Bush Administration's MISDIRECTION from their own culpability towards whatever Clinton said"?

It's not about what Clinton Said. It's about the Criminal Fraud Bush Committed.




It really does come back to why are we talking about what Bill Clinton did when Monkey in the Middle has literally fucked us


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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 2:30:28 AM   
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There is no strategy here

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No, the important thing on the topic I started is whether Clinton opposed the war from the beginning or not,


Yes, and I understand that the entire purpose of bringing up the topic of "What Clinton Does" is simply to distract people from the criminal acts of those CURRENTLY IN the White House.

I am simply reminding people that to even bother entertaining the question ONLY serves to insulate the true criminals from Justice.

Now, if someone was so gullible to have fallen for Bush's Fraud in the first place, I can understand them falling for this strategy. The are, of course, incorrect.




Exactly. There was no "strategy" when I started this thread.

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 6:25:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		The STRATEGY of distracting people from the salient issue of returning Honesty and Integrity to the White House is the Bush Administration's.

Anyone falling for it, hurts America by delaying the return of Honesty and Integrity to the White House.

There is no greater issue today than prosecuting the criminals and proving that Due Process and Equal Protection apply, as per the 5th and 14th Amendments to "All Persons". Until that is done, the people they have tortured will not see their torturers brought to justice.





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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 6:37:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Clinton also remembered, "Black Churches burning in Arkansas in the 1960's."
Only problem was, there were no Black Churches that burned in Arkansas in the 1960's.

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 6:40:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fargle, people can have multiple issues in front of them to deal with, and assign priority to those issues. You make it seem like nothing else should be done, but focus on that indictment 24/7. If that is what you wish to do, then why are you posting anything in the other threads? You should respond to every post with your fraud posts, but you do not, do you?

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 6:42:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		julia, the reason why is in the other posts, but I will summarize for you. The reason why is because I made this topic to discuss it. Why do you post anything else? Join with fargle and post nothing else but about that fraud. To do less is being hypocritical.


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And the IMPORTANT THING is "Why buy the Bush Administration's MISDIRECTION from their own culpability towards whatever Clinton said"?

It's not about what Clinton Said. It's about the Criminal Fraud Bush Committed.




It really does come back to why are we talking about what Bill Clinton did when Monkey in the Middle has literally fucked us



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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 6:47:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Stephan and Orion, put a sock in it.
Or better yet, start a seperate thread on it and we'll all comment on it, deal?
Now, if someone believes anything that the Clintons say then there has to be something wrong with their brains.
What do they call that type of thinking, The Stockholm Syndrome?

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 6:52:40 AM   
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Fargle, people can have multiple issues in front of them to deal with, and assign priority to those issues. You make it seem like nothing else should be done, but focus on that indictment 24/7. If that is what you wish to do, then why are you posting anything in the other threads? You should respond to every post with your fraud posts, but you do not, do you?


I understand balancing multiple issues. Let's examine these priorities.

1) A HAS-BEEN politician makes a statement, which could be spun in a negative way, which in *some way* negatively affects the campaign of his Carpetbagging Cunt of a wife.

2) The person who ORDERED THE TORTURE OF PRISONERS IN US CUSTODY, *also* happened to COMMIT CRIMINAL FRAUD launching a war which has since resulted in a MILLION DEAD, the unlawful suspension of the Right of habeas corpus, Contempt of Court and Congress, and the Obstruction of Justice...

Which one is important?

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RE: Bill Clinton opposed war in Iraq from the beginning? - 12/21/2007 8:06:40 AM   
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julia, the reason why is in the other posts, but I will summarize for you. The reason why is because I made this topic to discuss it. Why do you post anything else? Join with fargle and post nothing else but about that fraud. To do less is being hypocritical.


I think it is rather amusing that people still chase their tails around in a circle because the name "Bill Clinton" is mentioned.... go ahead, bash him all day and all night, I really could give a rat's ass, I am no Bill Clinton fan...

I will say concentrating on the opinion of Bill Clinton in regard to discussing the invasion of Iraq is a rather fruitless conversation, Bill Clinton was not president when it happened, he had no power to invade Iraq, it is a red herring of a conversation as to why we are there, and Rice throwing it out there into the mix for discourse is nothing but a distraction that you and other people that are still worried about Bill Clinton are only too hungry to embrace...

Feel free to discuss it, offer opinions, I am only expressing my own... and how that became hypocritical is beyond me.

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