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Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 11:21:50 AM   
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i am opening up this thread to discuss experiences people may have had regarding this.  i had my first experience in my early 20's and it was extremely frightening for me as i had no idea what happened to me.  i was in college at the time and the summer preceeding that i had worked in an answering service, mainly for doctors of all specalities. i had someone call in regards to her husband being released from a psychiatric facility, she was very agitated and eager to get his psychiatrist on the phone as they were releasing her husband and she did not want that to happen.

As fate would have it this particular doctor was on vacation in New Hampshire and left explicit instructions regarding being contacted in emergencies.  my gut instincts told me that even though i would probably be chewed out, i should most definately make the call. i informed the woman that her husband's doctor would be charging her $35.00 to return her call and she hastily agreed, with a pleadiness in her voice to quickly get him on the line.  We had a call out that day and my boss had to cover for the sick woman and as fate would have it, she sat next to me the entire night. She heard me making the call to this doctor and abruptly pulled the plug to my console and asked me if i had read his instructions. i explained the situation to her, but she had no sympathy and simply told me, "sweetheart everyone has an emergency" and told me to call that woman back and ask he if it was a true emergency. i did and the woman, who was waiting in a phone booth, ended up hanging up on me.  i will never forget the regret and sense of dread i felt at that moment, someting inside me told me i should have went against my boss and made the call anyway to the doctor. 

To make a long story short i come to find out all hell broke loose the next day as i was called into her office as she said "we have a slight problem on our hands". This institutionalized man was in fact released, whereby at his first opportunity went and jumped off one of the borroughs bridges and died.  You can imagine the impact, i broke down nearly hysterical and quit that job immediately.

Fast forward 3 to 4 months. i am in my dorm laying in my bed trying to go to sleep. i am lying facing the radiator away from the hallway leading to the door.  i hear the door opening.... i hear footsteps slowly making their way down the hallway. i am terrified but i cannot move. i have my eyes opened, they are the only parts of my body i can move and control.  my heart is pounding... who is this entering my room! i thought i locked the door.  i feel the bed depress as if someone has sat down on the end of it.  All of a sudden a hand grips my shoulder and yanks me over to my back, a body is on top of mine, i see an angry man's face above me, his wet hair dripping down into my face.  i cannot scream even though i try all i can do is passively lay there as he angrily tells me who he is, the man who jumped off the bridge and he is asking me why i didn't call his doctor.....   i suppose the fear escalated beyond my ability to stay asleep and i let out a blood curdling scream which woke up the whole floor. There was pounding on my locked door and in a daze i got up and opened the door to let everyone know it was just a "bad dream" - what else could i say?  i honestly did not think it was a dream, but i had no words for what it was.  That was the first time, since then i have had many more troubling ones, but none as morbidly horrifying as the first (thank god). 

A few years later i got the courage to ask a therapist i was seeing about it.  i thought i was perhaps having psychotic breaks and was going to end up a helpless psychotic and he chuckled saying velvet your not psychotic, far from it, what you are describing is hypnagogic imagery. You can imagine my relief. His explanation was that it was caused by the extreme stress and guilt i felt over the man's death, which was never resolved. 

i still get them at 47. Not as often, but always as frightening.  Eyes are always open, always paralysed.  Visual, tactile, and auditory are usually all three involved in my "awake dreams".  Never happy stuff like pretty fairies dancing or calming stuff always scary things like demons and monsters... One time the face of my clock came alive and kept zooming into my face saying evil things to me lol, my luck lol.  i have done reading and you can find this experience under hypnagogic imagery as well as sleep paralysis, and i think sleep awake. 

Is there anyone out there who has had these experiences,or has anyone in their life with these experiences, any knowledge of their own to share about what is happening.  They say 10% of the population has this condition and that at least 40% will have at least one episode in their lifetime.  i think it is what has led me to be the insomniac that i am.  i can feel something different when i first lay down that i have come to identify as it coming on. If i can catch myself before its too late (when paralysis sets in) and i can get up, i take a medication and when i go back to sleep i have no problem. i can't always do this, sometimes it's like being sucked into a black hole you can't get out of.  Problem is i can't always predict them and i don't want to take this med all the time.

Thanks for the patience reading this long thread and for (hopefully) sharing your experiences. 

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 11:35:26 AM   
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Here are a few sites i found which explain this condition.  Some say 33% - i was surprised as i had only read 10% have this experience on a continual basis.  i have gone for sleep studies and i might have a mild for of narcolepsy.  i once had to have an EKG and i remember laying on the table with the leads coing out of my scalp waiting, with my eyes closed feeling very relaxed but definately not asleep and a tech coming over to me and annoyed telling me not to fall asleep. When i told him i wasn't he insisted i was as he was looking at my brain waves - should have been a clue something was up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogic_imagery

http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/3549/pa_sp3.html

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/keithhearne/States.htm

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/keithhearne/Images.html

http://www.gis.net/~tbirch/mi2c.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis



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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 11:56:13 AM   
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21 years ago, carrying the first offspring, it happened almost every time this slave went to go to sleep, from the first month on.  it was accompanied by out-of-body experiences, lucid and prophetic dreams.
 
this slave now thanks her eldest for the experiences...but the first few times it happened, this slave thought she was dying!!! the ONLY thing she could control was her breathing, and if she could get breathing fast enough, then she could move a finger, then a hand, then an arm and shake out of it to consciousness.  after repeating this process like 20 times in a row one night, she would give in to the paralysis and let the vertigo spin her wherever it was going.  it led to the other experiences she mentioned and a few times actually just went to sleep.
 
this slave has posted previously what cures her insomnia and, from previous discussions, is pretty sure you wouldn't consider it.
 
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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 11:56:14 AM   
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Although I have not had an experience with this myself, my younger brother frequently had this occur to him almost on a nightly basis when he was still in elementary school.  The sleep specialist we took him to originally thought it might have been just night terrors, but after having my brother explain what he felt it was clear it was hypnagogic imagery and accute sleep paralysis.  He eventually got over it after about 7 years, although now he talks in his sleep rather loudly at times.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 11:59:53 AM   
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Wow, velvet. Scary. I will watch this thread with interest.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 12:04:23 PM   
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They actually think this phenomenon is at the root of claimed alien abductions and demonic possessions. It's almost like experiencing a dream while being awake.

What's at play is that the brain basically switches off certain motor functions during certain periods of REM sleep (period of sleep where dreaming occurs). This is a defense mechanism to prevent sleepwalking. People who sleepwalk have the opposite effect of this disorder in that they begin to act out their dreams. Some people even have it it so severe they wonder outside their house while asleep. Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain becomes confused in what state of sleep it is in. You wake up and become conscious but the brain still thinks it is asleep.

More freightning is that the fear of the paralysis only further provokes the perception of something fearful (as an alien or demonic visit) and the ability to distinguish fantasy and reality becomes difficult as the perception of the dream begins to take place in the real world. Eventually the brain will wake itself up and snap out of it. But it's an odd phenomenon that is difficult to study.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 12:39:57 PM   
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beth, i am curious do you believe it is linked to hormones??  i didn't mentione it here but i can lucid dream and have done so many times.  i also have had prophetic dreams as well. i don't much talk about it because people simply think you're nuts when you do... and i just don't want to argue with them or be in a position to have to "prove" anything.  i have found on a few occassions if i moved my eyes enough i could help bring myself out of it i never had success moving any part of my body though.  i am sincerely glad your remedy helps you and you're right, it's not an option for me for many reasons not just  those that were debated.  i take a xanax, which isn't a sleep med but it seems to keep "the demons" away. 

MasterDragas, i am glad your brother grew out of it. i never had night terrors as a kid although i was always a very vivid dreamer all my life.  i did have nightmares as a child but i think every child does.  i don't think i talk in my sleep, but then again how would i know lol.

batshalom, VERY frightening.  my last one was over the summer.  i was laying on my bed and saw and felt little hooded demons running all over my bed.  one was under the cover and i grabbed it's little clammy hand lol.  my daughter and niece heard me making sounds, kinda like moaning and mumbling/wimpering and they tried to wake me up.  i was desperately trying to hold onto the demons hand and it was wriggling frantically to get away... i was finally going to prove to everyone what was happening!  my bed is in my den for now (renovations) and i saw someone at the kitchen sink and a demon was sitting on his head trying to open it up to get in. my daughter and niece hovering over me trying to wake me up - i see them and and tell them to look at the demons.... the one i had in my hand slipped away and i said "look they are trying to get into xxxx's head"... they looked at me like i was nuts and said xxxx had gone to bed an hour ago and had no idea what i was talking about.... i said they scared away the demons and was so upset i couldn't prove it to them. Then it occured to me perhaps i wasn't out of it and they (daughter and niece) were part of my awake dream... so i asked my niece to get me some water which she did and then when i was handed something i could actually grab onto and sip i came to more and when fully awake had two puzzled, freaked out teens on my hands lol.  my niece ended up moving back to NJ to her moms and i regret thinking this episode had something to do with it - she's spooked easily.  As much as i tried to reassure them i was in fact dreaming and i had no real  thought that demons were really involved, they were still unnerved by it. 

cyberdude611, that is exactly what it is like - experiencing a dream while being awake.  The paralysis factor does make it that much more intensely fearful, which is why it's always something dreadful and not pleasant. i have yet to have one involving nice things like fairies, angels etc.  What i find is that if i can drag myself out of it i HAVE to physically get up and move around. if i stay immobile i will slip right back into it.  i have had what appears to be visits to my bedroom by a group of people... they seem to be studying me and when i woke up the next day it occured to me, this is what people are experiencing when they think they have been abducted by aliens.  i have no such illusions and never really concidered it aliens, ghosts etc..... but i can see how some people might if their thinking were inclined that way.  Thanks for sharing.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 12:52:27 PM   
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Velvet,
Go to his grave (there are websites for finding where people are buried, or check the obituary archives of the local paper) and apologize to him for letting your boss over-rule your gut feelings. You may find closure on this issue that way.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 1:04:02 PM   
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Velvet,
Go to his grave (there are websites for finding where people are buried, or check the obituary archives of the local paper) and apologize to him for letting your boss over-rule your gut feelings. You may find closure on this issue that way.


i wish i could but i don't even know his name. i was so distraught when it all happened that i could not even bring myself to speak to the very irate psychiatrist who wanted answers from me as to why he was not called.  my boss tried to comfort/reassure me i was not at fault for any of it, she took full responsibility and while i know if she wasn't there he would have been called, i feel i should have handled it differently.   i might be able to find that psychiatrist i know the town and stree he is on (forgot his name) but this was 25 years ago.  i believe i am at peace with it now and don't feel that guilt like i used to about it.  It was just the experience that initiated the sleep paralysis, if it wasn't that it would have been something else i supose. 

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 1:07:55 PM   
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Did you ever see the movie the entity?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082334/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082334/plotsummary


I guess she lives in texas somewhere and the attacks are less frequent now.





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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 1:13:19 PM   
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Did you ever see the movie the entity?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082334/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082334/plotsummary


I guess she lives in texas somewhere and the attacks are less frequent now.



No i never have but based on the plot summary i don't think it relates to my experience at all. i do not think what is happening to me are real entities, i know they are misplaced dream fragments.  They do feel quite real, but i know they aren't.  i am a very reality based person and while i do believe in the paranormal i tend to be most skeptical with this kind of reported event.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 1:14:45 PM   
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Velvet,
There is a good chance that 25 years later the psychiatrist himself may be deceased. His records would be somewhere but unless you were immediate family to the jumper you would not be given access. However you could easily look through archives of the local papers from that time period and find something about a jumper, that certainly would have made at least local news. There is a good chance you could discover the name in that way. You may think you are at peace with this but if you are still having sleep disturbances related to it then you aren't at peace on some level. I'm no shrink, but I bet one would agree with me on that.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 1:20:30 PM   
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Velvet,
There is a good chance that 25 years later the psychiatrist himself may be deceased. His records would be somewhere but unless you were immediate family to the jumper you would not be given access. However you could easily look through archives of the local papers from that time period and find something about a jumper, that certainly would have made at least local news. There is a good chance you could discover the name in that way. You may think you are at peace with this but if you are still having sleep disturbances related to it then you aren't at peace on some level. I'm no shrink, but I bet one would agree with me on that.


i never thought about looking through the archives of the papers for that time period, thanks for the idea. 

Just to clarify that first experience with him in my "dream" was the first and last about him. Since then it's been other things appearing.  The therapist did say extreme stress or guilt can exacerbate it as for instance right after the birth of my second, she was born with a disability i felt responsible for, i had them again.  In one i felt like an elephant was sitting on my chest and i could not breath and really felt like i was going to die... but i thought in a way it was maybe what i deserved at the time.  When not under such stress they come much less frequently. 

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 3:14:29 PM   
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When my son was a teen he refused to sleep in his room.  He insisted that his room was "haunted" and that there were "spirits" who visited him when he slept there.  For some reason this never happened when he slept in the living room, on the couch, with the tv on.  I tried to get him to sleep in his room, but it got to the point where I felt it was a battle that I didn't need to win.  A few years ago I started to read about sleep paralysis and I'm convinced that's what he had.  He would tell me about "phantoms" and "specters" (his words) that would be in his room, he would see them, but he was unable to move away from them.  

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 3:31:46 PM   
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I get this every so often.. it actually only lasts about 10-15 seconds.  I find it comes on if I drank coffee or had eaten sweets after 3 pm in the day.  I've learned to play with it by talking to those faces or i let it become a dream and sleep through it.,

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 5:34:51 PM   
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I am very sorry that you still carry the guilt of what happened with you.  I would recommend CD/DVDs with guided meditations when you lay down to sleep.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/2/2007 7:26:09 PM   
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KateyLied, i would bet my bottom dollar on it, especially if he reports he cannot move to get away from them.   Does he still have these experiences?  i am assuming he is not a teen. Thank god i was older when they started, i cannot  imagine how horrifying it must be to a teen to experience this, they really are frightening. 

LotusSong, it's good you know what precipitates them.  i have no clue except to say stress, at least i think.  i cannot talk when in this state..... only when the fear reaches such high levels can i make sounds which people hear if they are around me and i tell everyone if they hear me make noises to pleaseeeeeeeeee wake me up.  Mine aren't just visual... i can feel things touch me, and hear things... which gives them a much more real quality.  It's only afterwards when i am fully conscious i realize they aren't real. Sometimes during it i am conscious of what is happening, but oddly enough that doesn't stop the fear i feel. 

Vendeval, thank you so much for the suggestion.  in my spiritual practices i do get to a state of relaxation and hightened awareness which i think has helped me over the years. i don't get these as often as i did.  i can honestly say i h ave regrets about that poor soul who ended his life and wish i had done things differently but i don't feel guilty anymore... not guilt in the traditional sense anyway. In my belief system our karmas were somehow connected and he lived out his karma as it should be, eventually the karma i created for myself will have to be reconed... but that is part of the human experience.  We never know on what level we are touching other lives and the impact we are making.  With this knowledge i always aim for increasing value and awareness.  Karma determines everything, it's like a law of physics - it is what it is and good or bad we accumulate it, even by the things we do that are seemingly out of our hands.  The good lesson i learned is to do what i feel is the right and moral thing to do, regardless of the consequences.  i have done this since and it cost me a job once, that's fine with me because as i have learned you have to live with the consequences of your actions.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/3/2007 8:10:56 AM   
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...beth, i am curious do you believe it is linked to hormones??...


if it would have happened the same way with the other two offspring, this slave would say yes...but all of the "usual" hormonal suspects like nausea, vomiting, lethargy, mood swings, breast changes, etc., etc. were over-exaggerated with all 3---the sleep paralysis and out-of-body experiences only happened with the first.
 
this slave believes the cause to be that of a spiritual nature.  after getting over the initial panic, holding tight to this slave's spiritual beliefs in the face of fear(submit and hold fast to the light, rebuke and release the dark)...the fear of the experience went away.
 
it then became somewhat of a doorway to the other experiences mentioned, especially the out-of-body sojourns. 

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/3/2007 8:34:28 AM   
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beth, even though you don't think it is hormonal you do think it is linked, spiritually, to the birth of your first, interesting.   i have over the years been able to "talk" myself out of fear during them if i am aware enough to know what is happening.  It's been rare though and mostly when it  has been too dark to see images and all i see are shadows moving and sounds.  If i close my eyes tightly i begin to experience it as others sitting on my bed and they touch me.. lightly, never in a harmful manner.  One time i opened my eyes and i saw a face right up close to mine as if inspecting me.  i snapped my eyes shut and just eventually drifted off to sleep.  i am going to try to get over this fear when they are happening.  i would love to develop my dream power as it were, especially out of body experiences. Someone once told me i have had many out of body experiences, when i asked why don't i remember them he said not everyone does.  If it's true i want to remember.

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RE: Hypnagogic Imagery and Sleep Paralysis - 12/3/2007 9:26:25 AM   
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Velvet, the weirdest thing about it, for me, was the fact that he was so adamant about our house being haunted and that the spirits lived in his room.  He said they weren't dreams they were real specters that lived in his room.  I could not convince him otherwise until we read about it.  He no longer seems troubled by them.  I think it made him feel better when we read about it and he realized it was something that others experience.

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