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Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 6:37:14 AM   
Veav


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Status: offline 		Be honest... you dominants, have you ever used your position over a submission to end an ideological debate by saying "I'm your master, therefore I'm right and you're wrong, that's the end of it"?

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 6:42:18 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Be honest... you dominants, have you ever used your position over a submission to end an ideological debate by saying "I'm your master, therefore I'm right and you're wrong, that's the end of it"?
No, I would never say I'm right because I'm the dominant (I don't think); we can disagree, and if after a certain amount of time discussing the issue, you've not been able to convince me yours is the better idea/more logical path, you will shut up because I'm the dominant and I've listenened to the last words I want to hear about this subject for the day. M


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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 6:52:54 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Oh, you fuckin Z A. As dominant in a relationship I am right by agreement. Only by agreement, not for any other reason. Hopefully the dearth of decisions are fundamentally sound. If not I am not gonna be HER dominant very long.
On the other hand, sometimes her opinion is very valid and that will be the decision I choose to be the right one.
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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 7:14:19 AM   
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Be honest... you dominants, have you ever used your position over a submission to end an ideological debate by saying "I'm your master, therefore I'm right and you're wrong, that's the end of it"?


In an ideological debate? Never, ever. I don't claim that kind of superiority over anyone.

That kind of attitude/response would be the biggest copout ever and a total sign of weakness in my opinion.

- LA

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 7:18:02 AM   
Padriag


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Status: offline 		Nope, but then I enjoy a good philosophical debate. I have however used my authority to stop a debate that was turning into an argument until we both cooled off.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 7:46:17 AM   
MstrHellsFury


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Status: offline 		if one is having an ideological debate...then that's what it is..a debate...if for whatever reason it turns into an arguement as to who's right or wrong...(and it should never come to that)...a simple this topic is closed...will end it...

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 7:55:26 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		when i an my Dom discuss, i must be polite, but he never claim to be right by definition, he can however end an arugment by saying, we speak no more on this matter for now. i would be seriously worrid aboute a Dominant that belived him or herself to always be right, even in ideological debates.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 8:15:56 AM   
ShiftedJewel


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Status: offline 		Never..... I love a good debate and I don't see either party as winning or losing, it's just educational and I love to learn new things.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 8:30:36 AM   
cellogrrlMK


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

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Be honest... you dominants, have you ever used your position over a submission to end an ideological debate by saying "I'm your master, therefore I'm right and you're wrong, that's the end of it"?


In an ideological debate? Never, ever. I don't claim that kind of superiority over anyone.

That kind of attitude/response would be the biggest copout ever and a total sign of weakness in my opinion.

- LA


Brava LadyAngelika!


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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 8:35:39 AM   
Fidelity


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Status: offline 		Only when she insisted on trying to drag me along on ten hour shoe shopping expeditions.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 9:14:49 AM   
EvilTwin


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Status: offline 		No, I enjoy a good bout of mental sparring.
I can see calling a halt to things due to the discussion becomming heated, but that wouldnt be declating victory.
Everyone has the capacity to be wrong. If that should ever happen to me... then after the initial shock... I would admit to it.


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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 9:18:55 AM   
nella


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Only when she insisted on trying to drag me along on ten hour shoe shopping expeditions.


There we have one advantage Dominants have over vanilla men Fidelity, they can refuse to be dragged whit on the torture that women refer to as sho shopping.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 9:39:02 AM   
PrincessinLatex


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Be honest... you dominants, have you ever used your position over a submission to end an ideological debate by saying "I'm your master, therefore I'm right and you're wrong, that's the end of it"?


Actually, wouldn't that fallacy be closer to Argument ad Baculum?

And I admit. . .I've ummm. . .used it on occassion (as a joke.)

Princess

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 9:45:52 AM   
stef


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Actually, wouldn't that fallacy be closer to Argument ad Baculum?

Why do I get the feeling you would rather employ Argument ad Speculum?

~stef

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 10:07:00 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: Veav

Be honest... you dominants, have you ever used your position over a submission to end an ideological debate by saying "I'm your master, therefore I'm right and you're wrong, that's the end of it"?

The Owner does this constantly. Obviously he doesn't use it in ways such as "It's 3 am not 4am and I'm right because I'm the Owner" but in ways such as "It's always your fault." It's one of the best ways we have of teasing and laughing at ourselves.

He definitely will sometimes cut off discussions because of this- and it's completely good with me. To me obeying orders from him is always right, and it was my job to figure that out BEFORE I became owned by him.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 10:21:59 AM   
KittenWithaTwist


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Status: offline 		I've done it as a joke, but never seriously. I want my submissive to have a brain. I don't want her to be stuck in that pre recorded "Whatever you wish, Mistress" crap.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 10:43:23 AM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		no, debate of any kind is strictly forbidden in this relationship. for my Master, having me there as his verbal sparring partner would be carrying on as if i were his equal, which obviously i'm not.

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 10:49:10 AM   
ChereeAmoor


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Status: offline 		If we are going to talk politics or religion or some other hot debating topic, his being sexually dominant has nothing whatever to do with the discussion. We have spent almost 19 years now arguing with each other about the death penalty, for example, and look forward to another 19 years or so of sparring about it - what THAT has to do with our sex life or love for each other I truly fail to see.

I can love him even when he is wrong. *cheeky smile*

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 11:18:32 AM   
MstrssPassion


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Status: offline 		To those who practice this authority, to call an end to a discussion/argument, it is one of the things that separates our type of relationship over 'vanilla' ones. It is essential to the strength & life of our relationships to have solid communication in place. Keep in mind that overuse of this authority to end a discussion would not promote communication.

To say "I am right & you are wrong" simply because of their role within the relationship is rather weak.

MstrssPassion

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RE: Ad hominem d/s - 8/14/2005 12:28:29 PM   
junecleaver


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Status: offline 		I've been shut up that way before. We both thought it was funny.

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