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Lack of honesty. Such can destroy any relationship.
Though I gather you were talking more about habits, and personality characteristics (I'd consider a lack of honesty a bit removed from a natural personality characteristic, and more a learned reaction to stimuli).
So lying is a learned reaction to stimuli? I disagree.
While lying can be influenced by hereditary factors, one has to learn in most cases how to do so, and often to do so effectively. Thus while it does occur in the animal kingdom (speaking of the larger realm of deception), it is learned there to a great extent as well. Speaking from a wholly scientific viewpoint and disregarding any presumed and unmeasurable influence from something such as a soul, etc. Behaviors come from:
A) Innate characteristics (based on pre-existing neurochemistry, etc).
B) Environment (including learned reactions to stimuli, etc).
C) Combination of both.
I simply view it to be more of a learned behavior/reaction than an innate characteristic. At large this seems to be the predominant view. But considering research pointing in either direction to some extent it would be folly to consider it wholly A or B. After all if it were all A, and none of B, one would have to prove a common factor in everyone that lies (Other of course than being human, as deception exists in the animal kingdom, quite frequently actually). One would also have to look at the amount one lies, and compare it across individuals, proving that the majority of people that lie in the highest proportion possess this characteristic to a great degree.
In such a case I would have to say lack of a sense of self.
I do understand how a lack of a sense of self/worth can be a pet peeve for anyone Even men can lack a sense of self/worth.
For sure, actually at first meeting someone who didn't really have a sense of self at all I was stunned. Absolutely stunned. How could they not have one? Was incomprehensible to me at that point in my life.
The lack of one, is not only a profound pet peeve for myself, but also a major turnoff. After all, it's not very difficult to dominate someone who lacks any self whatsoever.
Lacking a sense of self/worth is VERY different than lacking sense.
Where did I claim it wasn't different? It's simply far too easy to manipulate the former, regardless of whatever amount of sense they have. Which judging by the particular disorders of which lack of a sense of self is a component, and the degree to which they are highly suggestible and my own experiences in both observing and doing clinic work with said people lacking a sense of self as one of their primary complicated symptoms. ...Yeah it's not hard. If one can manage not acting like a total ass, and ingratiating one's self to them, after a short amount of time their behavior is extremely moddable. Problem being it almost never sticks. Makes them very difficult patients
It's like nailing the most drunk girl at the bar. Completely without effort, and far less than satisfying.
so are you saying a girl who submits to easily?
A woman without a sense of self/worth might have absolutely no sense... but a woman who has a low self esteem, lack a sense of self, may not necessarily lack sense.
JMHT
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Of course, correlation does not imply causation after all. However the propensity of those who lack a sense of self to be influenced by others, generally tosses most of their sense out the proverbial window. Or rather modifies their sense in a manner where they still have it, but it's different in a few months anyways, so who's keeping score. It won't make them place their head in an oven and crank the heat sure, but it won't keep their personality from shifting to match with whoever's influences are strongest at the moment. With ridiculously disastrous implications if they happen to be around the wrong type of person alot. Quite interesting in terms of researching it. One wonders whether it might simply be the ultimate adaptation gone awry.
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