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TwiztdErotic -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/3/2007 4:54:44 PM)

A bucket of icy water and a fire extinguisher at the very least.



DesertRat -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/3/2007 4:56:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Muttling
I strongly suggest you have a pan or bucket of water handy in your experimentation.  The engineer in me has bull shit alarms ringing all over the place.


...and the firefighter in me just has alarms ringing...



TwiztdErotic -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/3/2007 4:57:26 PM)

quote:

What happens to the loved one at 46 minutes?

You don't want to know. It involves a midget and a bucket of fried chicken, that's all I can tell you.



Lumus -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/3/2007 5:11:12 PM)

Burn, motherfucker

Let the motherfucker burn

Burn motherfucker

Burn




MercTech -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/3/2007 6:00:25 PM)

Just a note... I read the thread and remember the mention of the eternal fire.

What I  remember was combining wax play with fire play and turning your submissive into a living candle for a time.

Stefan



CuriousLord -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 2:48:44 AM)

Two notes:
-"Eternal fire", as it rings as bell for me, is typically a poetic image referring to undying passion (i.e., "the eternal fire of passion in our hearts").
-With the definition from the other thread about making a human candle.. I'm with Muttling.  Chemical Engineer, and I'm telling you, that does not sound plausible.  Even if it were, the loss of heat sinks to the human body would likely cause a slow, agonizing death as the body systems shut down.  That, plus 70% alcohol?  That's not merely flammable- that's explosive, damn it!



Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 4:52:42 AM)

Wonder if this is what Jim Morison was singing about...  "Come On baby light my fire....." and all that stuff about setting the night on fire.



TwiztdErotic -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 5:04:10 AM)

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Even if it were, the loss of heat sinks to the human body would likely cause a slow, agonizing death as the body systems shut down. That, plus 70% alcohol? That's not merely flammable- that's explosive, damn it!
.

I'm not sure that I understand the part in bold. On a side note, 70% alcohol is commonly used for fire play.



Archer -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 5:47:07 AM)

I've taught many classes on Fireplay and Eternal Fire seems to be a technique that has eluded my continual education as well.
Thinking deductively based on the little that was in the post mentioning it, I can only assume that one would build a thick layer of wax that includes a bowl of some sort. Kinda a mini volcano, then fill the bowl with the alcohol and light that. I've seen folks build candles into some wax scenes by putting the candle onto still wet warm wax to give it adhesive base. Then they have built layers of wax around it, all the while the candle burning.

NOTE NOTE NOTE: I have not even experimented with the idea so how long you can leave the pool of alcohol burning in a low temp wax bowl, I have no idea. So I would suggest you build the bowl on a table and see what happens before you try it on a person.




Archer -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 6:04:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord


That, plus 70% alcohol?  That's not merely flammable- that's explosive, damn it!


Well lets see a Chemical Engineer should know better.
Flamable has a set definition flash point under 100 degrees F
Combustable has a set definition flash point Under 200 degrees F
Isopropyl Alcohol has a flash point of about 70 degrees F so it is fixed frimly in the flamable range.

To contitute "Explosive"  with 70% isopropyl alcohol you would have to have an air fuel mixture over 2% LEL and under 12% UEL isopropyl alcohol in air.

Consideing that the PEL is 400 ppm with a recomended level of 200 ppm in air the odds that you would even be able to reach 2% in a play space is pretty low because you'd start to get light headed long before you reached it.
2%= 20,000 ppm you would have long since passed out from the vapors

So you might wanna recheck your study materials before making such pronouncements in the future.





Missokyst -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 9:20:20 AM)

Since the only eternal fire I have ever heard referred to was hell, I would say eternal damnednation.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomMeinCT


What happens to the loved one at 46 minutes?



Missokyst -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 9:23:38 AM)

I agree.  Notice that the man never responded to requests for more information in the prior postings.
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

 either he's one of the youngest and most advanced players living, or a legend in his own mind.




Muttling -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 11:00:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

quote:

ORIGINAL: CuriousLord


That, plus 70% alcohol?  That's not merely flammable- that's explosive, damn it!


Well lets see a Chemical Engineer should know better.
Flamable has a set definition flash point under 100 degrees F
Combustable has a set definition flash point Under 200 degrees F
Isopropyl Alcohol has a flash point of about 70 degrees F so it is fixed frimly in the flamable range.

To contitute "Explosive"  with 70% isopropyl alcohol you would have to have an air fuel mixture over 2% LEL and under 12% UEL isopropyl alcohol in air.

Consideing that the PEL is 400 ppm with a recomended level of 200 ppm in air the odds that you would even be able to reach 2% in a play space is pretty low because you'd start to get light headed long before you reached it.
2%= 20,000 ppm you would have long since passed out from the vapors

So you might wanna recheck your study materials before making such pronouncements in the future.





And you might want to research the concept of kinetic explosions.   A wax/ alchohol mixture is certain to develop pockets of burning alchohol which would burst as a result of pressure build up and have potential to send flaming alchohol/ wax balls flying.   I'm not certain, but I would think the result would be something similar to Napalm or Foo Gas.



TwiztdErotic -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 11:14:45 AM)

All drama aside, I think it's safe to say that until someone can show a proof of concept, this myth has been busted.



Archer -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 11:55:49 AM)

So at least quote the aspect you are argueing instead of the aspects I was calling Curious on.

I mentioned a thick layer of wax with a bowl built into the top
(Think tea light sized bowl) curious as to how you see the wax and alcohol mixing (considering their extreamly different specific gravities wax being heavier than water and alcohol being lighter) or forming pockets in such an arangement.
(Since the wax would physicly sink under the alcohol even when melted)
Also very curious as to how you came upon the Certainty that they would mix in such a manner as to create pockets of "burning" alcohol.

I mentioned it as deductive thinking, not as something I was advocating nor as anything near fully tought through to the point of experimentally ready to try.






Muttling -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 12:16:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

So at least quote the aspect you are argueing instead of the aspects I was calling Curious on.

I mentioned a thick layer of wax with a bowl built into the top
(Think tea light sized bowl) curious as to how you see the wax and alcohol mixing (considering their extreamly different specific gravities wax being heavier than water and alcohol being lighter) or forming pockets in such an arangement.
(Since the wax would physicly sink under the alcohol even when melted)
Also very curious as to how you came upon the Certainty that they would mix in such a manner as to create pockets of "burning" alcohol.

I mentioned it as deductive thinking, not as something I was advocating nor as anything near fully tought through to the point of experimentally ready to try.







I wasn't refering to your concept, but the original one that started the post.  I think you're concept has merrit and would work, but (as you mentioned) would require a lot of experimentation before trying it on a slave.



Missokyst -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 1:47:19 PM)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooowwwwweeeee..
Maybe we should send this question into MYTHBUSTERS!!
I would love to see this disspelled.
Kyst

quote:

ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic

All drama aside, I think it's safe to say that until someone can show a proof of concept, this myth has been busted.



liljoy -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 4:14:24 PM)

i have no idea what this means  but it sounds like something Charlie from Numbers would say so it's HOT

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Well lets see a Chemical Engineer should know better.
Flamable has a set definition flash point under 100 degrees F
Combustable has a set definition flash point Under 200 degrees F
Isopropyl Alcohol has a flash point of about 70 degrees F so it is fixed frimly in the flamable range.

To contitute "Explosive"  with 70% isopropyl alcohol you would have to have an air fuel mixture over 2% LEL and under 12% UEL isopropyl alcohol in air.

Consideing that the PEL is 400 ppm with a recomended level of 200 ppm in air the odds that you would even be able to reach 2% in a play space is pretty low because you'd start to get light headed long before you reached it.
2%= 20,000 ppm you would have long since passed out from the vapors

So you might wanna recheck your study materials before making such pronouncements in the future.






windchymes -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/4/2007 4:24:21 PM)

You could probably rig up something with a pair of ear muffs and a can of Sterno.....



Elegant -> RE: Eternal Fire? (12/5/2007 12:56:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TwiztdErotic

A bucket of icy water and a fire extinguisher at the very least.


We have both of these items on hand whenever we do any fireplay at all.



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