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MistressGayle -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 8:32:54 PM)

ShaktiSama:
 
yes, I thought it was highly inappropriate, and bad form, to shoot someone down with both guns a'blazin' when all she did was come here to ask for help.... very single-minded and sad indeed....
 
and no, you don't have issues Shakti [:)]  but we know who does........
 
poor little boys, such whiners..... lol




ShaktiSama -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 9:00:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Can you point to any blanket statement I have ever made on CM to "promote an ugly stereotype of single mothers as irresponsible or careless."? 


Your over-interpretation of the OP's comments about money and finances are very telling.  So is your nonsense about how anyone who sympathizes with her hurt feelings is "hypocritical" and somehow in collusion with A Woman's Evil Plan To Use Men For Money.

I have no idea what your real life situation is, but you come across as someone who resents making child support payments in his own life and blames women for all failed relationships--including your own.

And before you point the finger at me personally, you might want to take into account that you're not getting a negative response from just one woman.  You're getting it from every just about every single woman who has responded to this thread.

Maybe the person who needs to look into the mirror here is you.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 9:22:08 PM)

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I have no idea what your real life situation is


That's pretty obvious!

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  ... you come across as someone who blames women for all failed relationships--including your own.


Yep, you got me figured out!  This board is full of my vitriolic posts about what useless cunts all my ex bitches are and how every one of them fucked up the beautiful relationships I created for them.

Oh, and I noticed you didn't have the class to appologize for your last erroneous slur so I guess asking for one this time is pointless as well.




MistressGayle -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 9:34:04 PM)

lol




sweetestnettles -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 9:35:28 PM)

It's a shame this post became a slinging match; I empathise with the OP and how she feels regarding her time being vauluable; I think, as sexyred1 said, what is acceptable behaviour is determined by the individuals in question. Not some random poster in an online community. While from a dom's p.o.v you were acting disrespectfully by not answering his calls, you're also entitled to your own feelings and how you choose to act upon them. If you were simply in a 'vanilla' relationship and the same thing had happened, you didn't answer his calls, you might be accused of not being mature about handling his response but as a sub/slave, it seems to be the attitude of some that you OWE something to him, simply because he's your dom. That's crap. A relationship is a two-way street, even one based on power dynamics. I do understand your reasons for doing what you did and I would probably do exactly the same thing you did in that situation.  Your time IS valuable and as Stephan said, only you know how happy (or unhappy) he makes you. Don't stay in a relationship where you don't feel you can be/express your true self due to some imagined set of rules put in place by others. Your gift of submission is something many women would not willingly or wholeheartedly give and you deserve the same respect and courtesy you give him ie. your time, your thoughts, your love, honesty, devotion etc.

Just my two cents.




sexyred1 -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 9:49:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


People make mistakes, anyone who says they don't is blowing smoke up your ass.  The trip was optional, it wasn't like the money he was sending was for her mortgage or some other emergency.  Taking this as one incident, she handled it poorly in my opinion.  He called an hour later and didn't mention the money and we don't know why he didn't, perhaps he hadn't realized it, perhaps he didn't mention it for some other reason.  The important thing is she did not step up to the plate and talk to him and or give him a chance to talk to her about it. 


Frankly, not wiring her money doesn't seem like a massive screw up.  She was home safe, there was no emergency.  Looking at this in isolation it isn't that huge a deal.  I haven't been following the multiple threads on this person and hadn't seen her backstory.


While I think you are right that she should dump him, clearly her ability to take care of herself financially and emotionally needs improvement.


I agree with you that if this was a first time, or an isolated incident, it would be a different story.  But since I interpreted her post as her being fed up with his long-time history of this kind of behavior and that she was at that crossroads, I just don't think his being the dominant in the relationship gives him free rein to make promises and then blow them off.  If he couldn't or didn't want to send the money, especially in a timely manner, then he shouldn't say he's going to. 

I agree with the "passive-aggressive" diagnosis, too.  It's a form of control.  My ex-husband (not a D/s relationship, either) used to play games like that with me all the time. 


Yes, I was the one many posts above who cited this. I caught that early on in her description of Dom's behavior over 18 months. As I told the OP, as evidenced by the personal views of the subsequent posters, you can see how asking for advice sometimes backfires.

I still maintain my earlier stance, OP, YOU really DO know what to do, you just wanted some support and many of the posters have given it you, some with warmth, some with toughness, some with nastiness, but the end result is this:

YOU ARE NOT HAPPY SO STOP WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS MAKING YOU UNHAPPY AND WORK ON MAKING YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY HAPPY.





laurell3 -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 9:54:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Can you point to any blanket statement I have ever made on CM to "promote an ugly stereotype of single mothers as irresponsible or careless."? 


Your over-interpretation of the OP's comments about money and finances are very telling.  So is your nonsense about how anyone who sympathizes with her hurt feelings is "hypocritical" and somehow in collusion with A Woman's Evil Plan To Use Men For Money.

I have no idea what your real life situation is, but you come across as someone who resents making child support payments in his own life and blames women for all failed relationships--including your own.

And before you point the finger at me personally, you might want to take into account that you're not getting a negative response from just one woman.  You're getting it from every just about every single woman who has responded to this thread.

Maybe the person who needs to look into the mirror here is you.


Actually, while I may not always agree with him, SimplyMichael is fairly well established here for being supportive and well reasoned in his opinions.  In this case his opinion doesn't agree with yours. How that has anything to do with him paying child support or not or deserving some inappropriate personal attack is beyond me.

I don't agree with his opinion on this OP's question.  Although I agree she seems to be passive agressive, I'm not sure you can communicate openly with this guy given how she has stated those attempts have gone.  However, clearly she's guilty of staying in a situation where she is miserable and has every indication that this guy is never going to respect her. 

The beauty of the forums is we don't have to agree.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 10:44:29 PM)

My mother's advice (that I tell everyone): Ask yourself two questions. 1) Would you miss him if he were gone? 2) Is being in the relationship healthy for you? If the answer is no to either one, you need to consider reevaluating the relationship or getting out.

As others have said before...you already know what to do, if you listen to your gut.

Master Fire




stella41b -> RE: Need support (12/4/2007 11:27:43 PM)

I'm staying neutral here. You're both behaving like a pair of 14 year olds. I mean, what's the big issue here? The money? His behaviour? A broken promise? Your hurt feelings? Tit tat tit tat tit tat tit tat, and so it goes, on and on and on and on. Why?

What are you getting out of this? What's he getting out of this?

Maybe some can show me where it's written in this community that being a Dominant means you're not allowed to have faults and imperfections or issues? They're people just like everyone else and they got pasts too. It's pretty childish in my opinion to expect someone say, over the age of 30 not to have any issues relating to their past, vanilla or otherwise.

I haven't read the other posting and I'm not going to. Ive just read the OP, a few of the other responses enough to draw my own conclusion. It doesn't matter to me who he is, he could be a nice Dom for all I know, he could be a hardened crack and coke addict with an ulterior motive trying to get you on the game, I don't know and it doesn't bother me. Nor does your circumstances bother me either. I'm reading the OP and assuming that you're both adult and responsible for your own decisions and feelings.

Now any sort of relationship in this community, like it or not, calls for a certain level of maturity and responsibility. It doesn't matter what your circumstances are, who you are, what role you find yourself in, to get anywhere in these sorts of relationships you have to, you have to be responsible and mature enough to handle the consequences of your actions and decisions. In reality this is no different from any sort of relationship between two adults.

Now let's look at the facts. There was an arrangement between you. This is a fact. The arrangement didn't work out. This is another fact. You don't know why this arrangement didn't work out, as there was no explanation. Like it or not, this is another fact. They guy was trying to get in touch and communicate something to you. This is another fact. You hampered this communication by getting pissy with him and not answering calls. This is another fact.

This is all about facing facts. No point in being with a Dominant if you cannot trust or communicate with them. Another fact is that when you enter a relationship with someone identifying themselves as a Dominant you accept that they're going to have the lion's share of control in the relationship, especially in the immediate issues. If this is something you cannot handle then don't get into a relationship with a Dominant, it's really that simple.

The way I see it you got three choices. You can either prolong the hurting and agony and continue playing the childish games and making a pantomime out of the relationship, or you can start acting like rational mature adults and admit that there's problems, and get together and discuss it between you and keep on discussing it until you're both happy with the solution, or you can walk.

Discussing it means admitting to problems and mistakes on both sides and discussing solutions without pointing fingers and trying to work out who's at fault or to blame here.

Or you can just walk, leave, and not look back.

Your life, your feelings, your relationship, your happiness, your decision.

I wish you luck.




DesFIP -> RE: Need support (12/5/2007 11:17:54 AM)

I have a major problem with someone who says they are sorry that I'm angry. That's a hell of a lot different than admitting he didn't keep his word, he wasted your time, and he's set up a system to make sure this won't happen again.

He isn't sorry that he treats you as unimportant because that's how he views you. He's just sorry that his booty call didn't happen.

Don't make someone a priority who makes you an option.

As far as how not to weaken, block emails, put him on your banned caller list. Technology can work for you.




MistressGayle -> RE: Need support (12/5/2007 6:18:08 PM)

Yes, technology can work for you! This is good advice [:D]




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