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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/6/2007 7:59:54 AM   
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Very interesting topic. I really like the different answers, and I know Mine may tip the balance, as I've never officially "collared" a slave, but I've "ringed" a husband. At the time of  our short marriage (9 years) he referred to me as his "Queen".This was a  vanilla relationship with only a few aspects of light BDSM. Our realtionship dynamic was Me in control and Dominant, he was mostly submissive, but not a slave. I prefer the title of Lady until I've collared My slave. When he is collared, I will be his Mistress, Lady, Queen,Godess, Dominatrix....whatever he can muster up the strength to call me in those times while being used.

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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/6/2007 8:52:05 AM   
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Thank you everyone for the time it took to write your replies.  They are appreciated.

Ma'am Jay, you hit the mark.  The thread really did have to do with not so much the title as the dynamic.  While no two dynamics are ever the same, I do see the distinct different between M/s and D/s and it's become quite noticable.  Not saying for a moment that I am unhappy in My current situation.  Just that I see the differences and, at time, I do blur the lines for Myself and My submissive.  As an extra note, I want you to know that I appreciate your taking the time to notice/remember certain facets of the situation, and recalling them in forming your answser.

As to title, that part really isn't a concern.  My submissive and I worked that out quite a while back.  It was very specifically because of the situation that he calls Me "M'Lady".  In fact, he's the only one that does, or ever has,.  The others all called Me "Mistress" and one had a special affection for calling Me "Mistress + real name".


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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/6/2007 1:04:49 PM   
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Dear LadyPact, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am one of those individuals to whom straddles different Leather and or lifestyle cultures.  I was strongly influenced in the beginning with the Gay Leather culture overseas and when it was a time where people had to be discreet.  I also was involved in the Heterosexual lifestyle culture as well.  At that time, being discreet took you places no others would be allowed.  But, this is my history--and few are able to relate.
 
Titles were bestowed on someone--this was long before the necessary 'screen name' and or the Internet.  I was given Hugs as a name long, long time ago.  It is title and or role neutral.  Back then--to safeguard identity we had 'names given' to us.  Spoke as to what personality traits and or arch-types we possessed. 
 
For me, I am not hung up on the use of titles, especially these days when so many 'self entitlements' are going on and the awe is absent.  I have my personal preferences of course but, at times the situation calls for a bit of withdraw when there are many who cannot handle someone who may have earned the old fashioned way the title of Master, when they are a female--yet, many civilian examples exist to where Master is gender neutral.  How Master is used is varied.  My peers deemed me as a Master and am honored by such a title.  The 'then' Heterosexual community was extremely hostile towards me and other women who used the title of Master.  Although my mastery is beyond ownership of a slave and is a level of skill, knowledge and application; in addition to ownership of slaves living with me; it was a miserable place for me to be as a Heterosexual in that Heterosexual M/s culture--so, I adopted 'Lady' for two reasons; first being "Hugs" on AOL was already taken and so was MasterHugs--so, Lady was available and it also fits the 'behavior' more than just a title--So, that is the story of how I became Lady Hugs.  However, when I was featured in newspaper prior to registering in AOL--I was just "Hugs." [Ref. The Washington Blade, 1997]  When in the Gay Leather communities in Baltimore, MD and Washington, DC and others overseas--I didn't demand anybody call me this or that...or Master, SIR or whatever.  They called me what they felt I was deserved to be called.  Some Masters called me Master, some SIR and yet others called me Hugs.  The same for the boys/lads/slaves. 
 
In Heterosexual circles--again, I didn't demand the use of titles however, being flagged --regardless if in Gay circles or Heterosexual circles; all knew I was a Dominant individual.
In my personal experiences, the climate was more 'nit picky' as to how dominant women were addressed.  Mixed with society's association of terms--Mistress was 'the other woman'; rather than the feminine Master; Madame was not the high etiquette form in addressing ladies, to include HRH Queen Elizabeth the Second in written form--"Dear Madame..."  Madame in the USA is usually associated with running a bordello and or a house of prostitution.  I did not fit this criteria.  I upset many a male dominant by using my title of Master.  Since I was unmistakenly a 'lady' in all forms and or manners; I made things easier for them by just going with "Lady Hugs."
 
I really am not defined by the role titles.  I define the role titles.  I am because I am and those who know me, know what and who I am.  Keen eyes know immediately what and who I am, just on how I present myself and or move about.  I don't need a neon sign declaring myself as a Master, a Dominant and or Lady.  I too know who is a Master, who is Dominant and or a Lady and or Gentleman and or a slave, submissive a bottom and or a servant by the same observing skills as others have.
 
I don't feel that Domme is a good term for female Dominants.  Its as close to a 'do me' word and that isn't what I feel is deserving for many ladies here.  A male Dominant said that they (men) created the term to distance female Dominants from male Dominants.  The feelings back in the late 1970's as far as I personally observed was an attitude where female Dominants did so because they failed at being good slaves so, this Domme title was created.  It sounds close to the word 'dummy.'  Again, sounds too close for degrading terms to a woman who is Dominant.
 
I also wish to say, that when I was green as a salad in the lifestyle and or Master/slave; the use of Dominant or submissive was more of a description of a 'state of being' instead of a title.
 
I am sure other countries/nations/territories and or states and or commonwealths within the USA had different applications and situations however, this has been my personal dealings with the title/role usages up to this point and time.
 
I will prefer that only an owned slave of mine would use the title of Master or Mistress and all others address me as Hugs, Lady Hugs and am even willing to answer to a "Hey you.'' LOL.  But, again--I wouldn't be upset if someone called me Master, Mistress, SIR, etc.  I rather appreciate the intentions of being respectful; no matter how its delivered.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/7/2007 4:22:20 PM   
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Two more flies for this ointment:
I describe, and think of myself, as "alpha". That's my personality. I use domme and dominant interchangeably to denote my orientation within the BDSM lifestyle. My people (members of my poly family, who have chosen to belong to me and are therefore mine to direct and to protect) address me as "queen".


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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/8/2007 8:47:48 AM   
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I do sense a subtle distinction in meaning. Generally, I classify myself as a domme; it's what I do in a general sense. I haven't had a slave, and I didn't have a sub long enough to really consider myself her mistress. It seems like a much more personal (and permanent) title.

I'm not nuts about being called 'Ma'am' but then again, how many other suitable things are there to call a domme in a scene, without falling into purple prose?

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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/8/2007 8:58:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear LadyPact, Ladies and Gentlemen;

I don't feel that Domme is a good term for female Dominants. Its as close to a 'do me' word and that isn't what I feel is deserving for many ladies here. A male Dominant said that they (men) created the term to distance female Dominants from male Dominants. The feelings back in the late 1970's as far as I personally observed was an attitude where female Dominants did so because they failed at being good slaves so, this Domme title was created. It sounds close to the word 'dummy.' Again, sounds too close for degrading terms to a woman who is Dominant.




Interesting historical take on the term domme.

Personally I dislike it because that me ending seems very much like an ending you'd find in some romance language where the defacto form was masculine so we add a little diminutive suffix to show that now a woman is doing a similar thing. Apparently simply because of sex/gender it had to be singled out and I suspect it also showed how unusual it all was for a woman to do a man's thing.

I'm not doing a "man's thing" because I'm dominant or because I own a slave; I'm doing my thing. All anyone needs to call me (unless I'm training or owning them) is "TammyJo".

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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/8/2007 9:37:05 AM   
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Quite agree with all. Mistress is a deserved title after collaring has occured--which is why my "SN" is simple.  However, true submissives naturally address me as Ma'm  which is good.  A few has actually refers to me as "QUEEN"

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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/8/2007 12:19:37 PM   
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Dear thetammyjo, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I agree with the problems of people manipulating the word "Domme" which is not in a dictionary that I have seen; to sound like the following:

Do-me, which sounds like "do me."

Dom-me, which sounds like "Dom me or Dominate me."
Dumm-E, which sounds like "Dummy."
Dumm-A, which sounds like "Dumm and an A unfinished to refer to a hoofed animal that is often referred as well as to a human's hind-end."
etc.
 
I remember like yesterday, when the first uniformed policewoman was sworn in on the Metropolitan Police Department in 1968.  Shortly thereafter, women were allowed to be sworn in into the US Military. I was sworn in in 1973.
 
What I found was a lot of deep seated hate and prejudices by men who felt women had no business being in a male dominated profession, like the military, the police department and or the fire department.  I had to deal with that mentality and though it isn't as pronounced now for those women who wish to go into those professions--when I went in; it was.  So, it was in the Master-slave lifestyle circles.  (Pre-computer days).
 
In hind-sight, which is much clearer than in the middle of it all; I feel those men who 'coined' the term "Domme" may/could have done so with the intent to demean women; and skew the word as to be a clever guise to insult women who were Dominated.  It was never a word in a dictionary then, other than Dominatrix and or Mistress.  A lot of men would say the word "Domme" as "Dom-me" --sounding as if to imply an invitation to "Dom me."  I have heard it sound as Dumm-E, to imply being a 'Dummy.' I've heard it said like "Do meeeeee" as to sound "Do me."  I've heard it pronounced as "Dom-A;" as to suggest that it sounds like a Dom -A___; a reference to a hoofed creature who is often associated with the rear hind quarters of a human, where the sun doesn't shine.
 
A good many male Dominant/Master had in their minds, that they were given 'dominion' over women, as the Bible was written as to imply such, the US Constitution was used as an example of the same pre disposition to  male domination.  So, this is what I had to contend with in the Heterosexual circles around 1973.  This is why I felt more comfortable around Gay Leather men; as they were not trying to get into my undergarments or, trying to make me into some sex slave and pass me around like 'Sex R Us.'  Using the military leadership template; the Gay Leather men I knew, saw me as just 'me' -- Hugs.
 
I will also mention, I would kindly point out how a person's skewed uttering of the word "Domme" sounded to me and what it made me think.  In some cases, the intention was to demean and mock me.  In some cases it was not.  Understanding me, as to what I felt was something not to be tolerated as it allowed people to disrespect dominant women in general and or me as a human being; those who understood and really didn't have a mean bone; changed how they treated that particular word. 
 
Nobody will change another's deep seated prejudices and or hates.  They have to do that on their own.  I'm just responsible for myself and how I conduct myself.  I think that we, in general are our own representatives and or in a general manner--ambassadors of what Dominant women may/can/could/should/would be and or--are.

I am who I am -- Hugs.  It has nothing to do with my gender, my height and or weight, etc.  I am just me--Hugs or Lady Hugs for less confusion... I am someone's owner but, not everybody's owner.  That is why I am not going to get my girdle (if I wore one) in a bunch over titles.
So, yes--I agree with you about your statement; "...I'm not doing a "man's thing" because I'm dominant or because I own a slave; I'm doing my thing. All anyone needs to call me (unless I'm training or owning them) is "TammyJo". "
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted with a bit of wit,
Lady Hugs



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RE: Mistress or Domme - 12/8/2007 2:13:15 PM   
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While I appreciate the good conversastion, the OP really wasn't refering to one title or the other.  Rather the difference in an M/s dynamic to a D/s dynamic.

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