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makeyoupretty -> Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/5/2007 6:54:45 PM)

Recently I had a male come in and ask to be forced femmed, I am considering it as I am normally a conservative and not really into the lifestyle but this intrigued me and now I am actually considering doing and doing to the maximum.

I would like to hear from ladies that can give me some ideas of how feminine they feel I should make her and how much should I change her appearance to work as a female in the shop.

It is a TS, TV, TG, Lesbian and Gay friendly spa and salon.

I also have a vanilla clientele that are in the store most of the time and discretion must be used at all times, however, private appointments can be made for TV makeovers and for mistresses to take part or plan a spa party, which would be served by my soon to be employee, if your vote says that I should hire her.

The vote is up to you all as you are the ones more familiar with this scene than I am, I'm a curious beginner. Not interested in the rough stuff and I feel mental dominance is more satisfying and lasting.

Shop is located in Waterbury, Ct.   

Miss Susan
Joy of Nails Salon & Spa

Your feedback is welcome and is critical in the final decision.
Looking forward to your replies

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MasterFireMaam -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/5/2007 11:57:25 PM)

For many, "forced femme" means putting them in panties and telling them how much of a sissy they are. It's about the humiliation, not the cross dressing. However, it CAN be about the cross dressing. You'll have to ask him exactly what he means, because doing cross dressing that passes as female is 1) expensive and 2) time consuming to learn/teach to do and do well.


Master Fire




Politesub53 -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/6/2007 3:54:06 AM)

I dont see how you can ask anyone but yourself for an answer, which may have an impact on your takings. A guy asking for forced femme may or may not want a tv/ts to do that. Your normal clientelle may shy away from the idea. Either way, you know the likely reply better than anyone here, as you know your own customers.

Good luck whatever you decide.




MsSonnetMarwood -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/6/2007 4:12:57 AM)

Quite honestly, I doubt the person in question's version of "forced femme" will include the commitment to follow through that learning to pass as a female AND go through the process of learning to perform and get licensed to do hair, nails requires.




SolangeRichards -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/6/2007 6:06:33 AM)

I agree with some of the ladies who have posted here that the key thing is the intent of the person.

I would qualify as someone in the consumer profile for your shop.  I don't see feminization as a humiliation scene and I would be very turned off to visit a salon that had a feminized male working there who did.  I don't feel I am being judgemental to those who wish to participate in such things, just me saying I am not inclined to it and don't want to be involved in that.

I don't do what I do to be less than I am.

I do it to be ALL that I am...




mnottertail -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/6/2007 6:58:40 AM)

I think if it is acceptable to you, you do it.

These folks exist in the world and the astute business people will cater to them.

BottomLineBitch,
Ron(ne)




hollyheels -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 12:40:13 AM)

Sure, as long as the person has needed skills, shows up on time, is neatly dressed, is friendly and has a good attitude.




stella41b -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 11:38:24 AM)

This depends... You write here TV/TS but here what you're actually doing is lumping people of two genders - the male TV and the female TS - into one category. Transgender is a very wide category of people involving both genders from the male panty wearer right through to someone like me, the 'mosaic' type of transgendered female.

The problem is that Transgendeeed is a very wide, diverse classification of many different people, and this is so hard for medical professionals and trained clinical psychiatrists to define, diagnose and classify, let alone the average non-transgendered person. People see someone who may be female or they may be male, and people draw their own conclusions based on what they see.

The first thing I would advise you to do is The Penis Test. What is The Penis Test and why is it necessary? We all know that over the Internet sometimes men pretend to be women.. and it's sometimes the case, often for purely innocent reasons, that a TV or transvestite will try to pass themselves off as a transsexual thinking that they will be better accepted. This is also necessary because there's a lot of transsexuals out there in the very early or mid stages of their transition who are not really that much different from the more convincing transvestites. What you need to work out, and what you should be able to work out very quickly, is why that person is looking for feminization and looking to be accepted as a woman. Is it purely for sensual or even sexual reasons? Or is it a cry for help? Support? Guidance? How much is the penis involved in the equation?

This is the major difference, you see, between the TV and the TS. The TV is male, and may have a certain degree of gender dysphoria, but dresses in female clothing and assumes the female role purely for sexual reasons or for reasons which bring deep emotional fulfillment. The TS is a female, and will have a greater degree of gender dysphoria - 'dysphoria' is a Greek term which means unhappiness and therefore gender dysphoria basically means unhappiness with one's own birth gender - the TS wears female clothing and assumes the female gender role because she needs to and her doing so is non-sexual and purely emotional. She's basically working very hard to be her true female self, nothing more.

Therefore your idea is a good one, but it could go either way for you, and could either lead to a lot of problems, or it could be a brilliant and wonderful employment opportunity for a genuine transsexual female with an understanding and supportive employer and therefore the start iof a long term relationship.

I say this because at times I have sought employment as a female and I have been misunderstood on many occasions by women. They assume that me being TS means that I require feminization.. well actually no.. I'm basically female who was born male, I didn't complete puberty as a boy and since puberty I've been aging and developing just the same as a naturally born female.. I have breasts and breast tissue, the appearance of a feminine body - i.e. I don't have masculine body hair, I have an intersexed karotype, which is male facially but female bodily.. I'm producing female hormones naturally but far less than a natural born female, hence I'm on HRT, but this doesn't stop people assuming that I'm a guy trying to be a woman and going through the 'sex change'. Well kind of, only I am the sex change. This is quite rare.

However what's the difference between me and other types of transsexuals? Not a lot, being honest, they too are internally female, they too in many cases have female physical characteristics, many have a more delicate karotype than a typically male karotype, and all TS females have one thing in common, in that they do genuinely suffer deep emotional distress whenever their true gender is challenged or rejected. Also they all differ from many TVs in that they can maintain a long term female identity and assume the female gender role far easier than they ever could in male gender. This cannot be said for most TVs.

Therefore the feminization, if required, of a TS or transsexual female is far different in nature than the feminization of a TV or transvestite. Sure, I am always grateful for tips on make up, clothing, and how to present myself, and I guess the same can be true for many naturally born women, but this would never be the be all and end all of the relationship or even its main focus.. I wouldn't want to be forced to look a particular way or to go through enforced feminization as it would completely undermine and destroy my self-confidence. One of my most basic fundamental needs is acceptance for me and who I am as a person, and having 'enforced feminization' negates the fulfillment of this need completely. Criticism is fine where it's constructive and positive, I accept this because I never went through childhood or the teen years as a girl, I don't have the background or upbringing, in fact I'm going through puberty for the second time as I write, and it feels wonderful (yay!!) but I need to know and trust the person first.

In a working or Employer-employee situation it's much easier, because my boss can impose a dress code or even a uniform and I'm quite happy to accept this. I do domestic cleaning work for ladies, and I don't have an issue with wearing a uniform in fact I prefer wearing a uniform - it saves me ruining my own clothes and allows me to get stuck into my work - but there's no way on earth you're ever going to get me into a maid's outfit. I'd just laugh at you and tell you to go find a sissy maid.

I'd therefore advise you to go for a transsexual female who's thinking very seriously about gender reassignment, with whom you could share a very positive, mutually beneficial long term relationship, where you can provide her with support and understanding, and in return I'm sure you'll find she will make a very good, genuine, devoted employee.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 12:24:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

This depends... You write here TV/TS but here what you're actually doing is lumping people of two genders - the male TV and the female TS - into one category.


Nail.  Head.  Hammer.  Hit.   This is a crucial difference for an employer to understand.

A transgendered person who needs to be allowed to live and work as female can be an excellent employee.  But a transvestite who is using your workplace to act out his sexual fantasies is NOT an asset to your business!   I would happily hire a transgendered person and expect them to be as competent and productive as anyone else.  Living and dressing as female is not sexually exciting for them, it's a psychological necessity.

I would refuse to allow a dressed transvestite into a professional workplace any more than I would allow lingerie wearing or public masturbating.  When you're on the company nickel, that is work time, not play time, and not everyone there consents to watch or participate.   Sexual activities need to be confined to off duty hours and private spaces involving only consenting adults. 

To clarify, I would hire someone whom I knew was a transvestite and otherwise qualified, as long as they were not asking to conduct their fetish activities for sexual gratification on company time.   Part of being qualified would be to understand that wanking in the public workplace is totally inappropriate, and for a transvestite, cross dressing is a sexual activity.




MsSaskia -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 1:08:32 PM)

I'm confused: he came in as a client, wanting your services to make him pretty, and you're talking about hiring the same person? 

I'd think that if you were going to hire someone to work at your salon, they'd already have the skills they need to make themselves pretty, unless you intended to use him as a receptionist. 




Cissykay1999 -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 1:45:24 PM)

Dear Makeyoupretty,
Please excuse my bluntness, because I don't mean to be rude, but the question I have pertaining to your question is one. You seem to be a bit of a novice in respect to some lifestyle objectives. If I'm wrong, I appologize. You stated that a male walked into your salon, and asked to be forced feminized. Did he ask you to do a makeover, so he would leave looking more like a woman than when he walked in, or did he ask you to do something kinky, such as tie him to your chair, and do whatever you wanted to him? Unless this man knew you quite well, and had a pretty good idea of the answer before he asked the question, I doubt he walked in and asked you to force him to be a woman. If he did, watch out.
Many women, mostly through innocent play, have found that if they dress a man in female clothing and make him up to look like a woman, the man becomes more docile, and willing to do things that his macho image won't normally allow. As if my some miracle, when they do it, they get a rush that is hard to duplicate in the vanilla world. To have a man be humiliated in such a way, can make a woman seem very powerful. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. But, you may be able to force a man to wear and makeup as a woman, but I doubt that you can force him to work for you unless he wants to.
I think if you want to incorporate both things, you may want to try fetish parties at the salon, where yo can have men come in, make them over, and serve you for the evening in drag. I'm sure you'll find many dommes that would attend such a party with their mates. I believe that you should be very careful having a feminized man working on a 9-5 basis unless you know how your regular clients know in advance. You may lose a significant number of your regular customers that are not as lifestyle accepting as we are. There are other things to consider also. If he will still talk in a male voice, you may have to tell your customers that he/she can't speak to keep the charade going.
My advice here is to find a partner for yourself that is open to the idea of feminazation, and do it at home. Do some fetish parties, and if you want to push the envelope, and show your dominance, have him clean the shop at the end of the day in drag. I would think seriously about having a transvestite on staff. As the other comments indicate, a transsexual is a whole nother can of worms. You'll have a better chance of having her accepted if she is capable. Seperate the kink from the vanilla, and if you still think it's a good idea, go for it.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 2:12:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cissykay1999 Seperate the kink from the vanilla, and if you still think it's a good idea, go for it.


More accurately, separate the sexual/fetish/kink expression from the professional workplace, especially if some of your clients are not interested in participating in said activities.

There's a salon owned by kinksters in my town also, and it's a good one.  When the place is closed to regular business it might be possible to do something lifestyle oriented and fun. But it would not be one bit appropriate to have a transvestite in bondage and a hard-on prancing about the place when a family comes in to get their ums a nice hair cut for the school piano recital. 




stella41b -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/7/2007 2:34:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cissykay1999

Dear Makeyoupretty,
Please excuse my bluntness, because I don't mean to be rude, but the question I have pertaining to your question is one. You seem to be a bit of a novice in respect to some lifestyle objectives. If I'm wrong, I appologize. You stated that a male walked into your salon, and asked to be forced feminized. Did he ask you to do a makeover, so he would leave looking more like a woman than when he walked in, or did he ask you to do something kinky, such as tie him to your chair, and do whatever you wanted to him? Unless this man knew you quite well, and had a pretty good idea of the answer before he asked the question, I doubt he walked in and asked you to force him to be a woman. If he did, watch out.
Many women, mostly through innocent play, have found that if they dress a man in female clothing and make him up to look like a woman, the man becomes more docile, and willing to do things that his macho image won't normally allow. As if my some miracle, when they do it, they get a rush that is hard to duplicate in the vanilla world. To have a man be humiliated in such a way, can make a woman seem very powerful. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. But, you may be able to force a man to wear and makeup as a woman, but I doubt that you can force him to work for you unless he wants to.
I think if you want to incorporate both things, you may want to try fetish parties at the salon, where yo can have men come in, make them over, and serve you for the evening in drag. I'm sure you'll find many dommes that would attend such a party with their mates. I believe that you should be very careful having a feminized man working on a 9-5 basis unless you know how your regular clients know in advance. You may lose a significant number of your regular customers that are not as lifestyle accepting as we are. There are other things to consider also. If he will still talk in a male voice, you may have to tell your customers that he/she can't speak to keep the charade going.
My advice here is to find a partner for yourself that is open to the idea of feminazation, and do it at home. Do some fetish parties, and if you want to push the envelope, and show your dominance, have him clean the shop at the end of the day in drag. I would think seriously about having a transvestite on staff. As the other comments indicate, a transsexual is a whole nother can of worms. You'll have a better chance of having her accepted if she is capable. Seperate the kink from the vanilla, and if you still think it's a good idea, go for it.


Please excuse my bluntness here... but are YOU prepared to go out and do the whole gender reassignment process and go onto the hormones and risk blood clots, permanent liver damage and sudden death? Are you prepared to live as a woman 24/7 from this moment in time until the moment you drop dead?

Begging your pardon, but this is exactly what I'm doing, and I'm doing it right now.

This isn't a game this lady is talking about.. this isn't no fantasy about no kinky lifestyle, no games of humiliation, of domination,. and I think the lady who's written the OP is pretty serious about helping someone from the Transgendered community. I'm sorry, but having looked for employment for many years I say kudos to her.

How dare you patronize the lady for being a 'novice'.. and like, you're some sort of expert on the Trangendered community are you?

I'm sorry, but you've touched a raw nerve here.. next year I will have been transitioning 10 years and have been 24/7 more or less since June 2004, and in that time I've lost my artistic career (over 10 years of artistic work, contacts, and so on), work, career, income, the roof over my head, I've lost most of my family, almost all of my friends, the better part of $400,000, and also I've slept rough on the streets, in ankle deep snow, in temperatures of minus 15-20, I've taken food out of rubbish bins, I've gained and lost over 100lbs in weight, I've been attacked, abused, had things thrown at me, I've slept behind dustbins, spent days even weeks living without an income, hitchhiked across Europe over 4 days with two large bags on a trolley with frostbitten feet..

You maybe want to take a look in my e-mail Inbox sometimes when I get called things like 'faggot', 'poofter', 'bitch', 'man', 'male whore' and much worse.

Dead right, a transsexual is another can of worms all together. I'm just under 6ft tall, weight currently just over 280lbs and you know, I take a lot of shit from people, especially men, but even more so from the closet trannies who go out twice a month to the clubs and the bars 'on the scene' and swing their handbags and just mince along but at other times they're out there with their boozy mates larging it up and nudging them in the ribs and pointing to anyone who doesn't pass muster for being female - even if she is a naturally born female - and calling out 'Ere that's a bloke', or even 'Faggot!!"

And I'm really sorry, when I read the OP and I read postings like your's a sort of red mist descends over my eyes and I start to get a little bit vexed. Oh yes, you try it when you got half the male population sizing you up and looking at your bum and body.. I get guys constantly talking to my bust, and you know what? It amuses me, because they haven't got a clue that they're still talking to a pair of silicone implants, but they're too thick to work that out, just looking for a sign or something which makes their dick get hard.

Are you really up for the 'lifestyle' are you? Only I'm not talking here about the BDSM lifestyle, the games of dressing up and spanky botty and a little bit of tie up and humiliation - I'm talking about my sort of lifestyle, the one where you're living genuine 24/7 just like any other woman, living, working, eating, sleeping, socializing, the lifestyle where just like other women you get regularly put in your place by men.. I'm talking about the lifestyle where you're not seen or treated as a human by others, but are regarded as a freak, subhuman, for daring to suggest that you want to be treated as a woman whilst still having a dick attached to your body, which is completely and totally socially unacceptable to most people, both men and women and you have to live through all the rejections and put downs as a result.

So what about it Cissykay1999? Are you really up for it, the lifestyle, my lifestyle? The lifestyle I've been living for 10 years?

This is EXACTLY what I was writing about earlier when I talked about The Penis Test. See how fragile the male ego is..? How they would be oh so willing to come and work in your shop and how so much they would want to turn it into some grotesque charade to have all the attention turned onto them?

And is there anyone out there still wondering why very few people have the courage or nerve to employ a transsexual in genuine employment? And worse still, why not many people are prepared to give the transvestite, who is even more misunderstood than the transsexual, the time of day?

there you have it ladies... the Penis Test.. I rest my case.. I have nothing against you Cissykay1999 by the way, so please don't take it personally.. all I would ask you is to stop and think about what you say and what you do because you do make an impression on people and not many people know about the real issues that ALL Trangendered people face and that impression which you leave with people affects the fate of so many other members of the Transgendered community, both male and female. Live and learn, eh?




iwearpanties -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/8/2007 4:02:23 AM)

i must say this is a debate that acn and will go one for a long time




iwearpanties -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/8/2007 4:04:14 AM)

i will say this is a debate that can and will go on for a long time to come will we ever agree on any thign weather rite or wrong ???  fantisay or fiction . i tend too belive many males secretly have or do or would wear panties  not say all have but i feel more thena a few who you think didnt or wouldnt have




DiannaVesta -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/8/2007 5:12:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood

Quite honestly, I doubt the person in question's version of "forced femme" will include the commitment to follow through that learning to pass as a female AND go through the process of learning to perform and get licensed to do hair, nails requires.



I agree with this. I would proceed carefully, maybe have them come a few hours a week to clean and at the end of the day. I certainly wouldn't put them in fully until I could see that the commitment is to the work and not to his libido.




mnottertail -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/8/2007 5:17:15 AM)

DiannaVesta---

Couldn't it be made a condition of employment?  I am a programmer, if I can't program as specified, well-----------it's adios.

Ron(ne)




beltainefaerie -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/8/2007 6:59:08 AM)

I agree with others who have posted that it is essential to know what is actually going on here.  There are many ways you can help folks dress up.  If someone just wanted you to make them feel pretty, then do that.  If someone wanted to be dressed as a women and teased about what a silly girl they are, then you can do that.  If someone is seeking a genuine transition to womanhood, that is a separate thing entirely.  I think at an open and friendly salon, there should be no problem with an actually transexual working and living as the female they present as and are.  If they are dressing up for humiliation, I think that has no place in a salon, where people go to feel their best and most beautiful.  If they are dressing up for sexual gratification, that has no place in the workplace, whether salon or elsewhere.  I could see having a sissymaid or similar serve only the TV makeover parties and mistress spa parties, if they wish, but I would make absolutely sure that is something all parties would be interested in.




Cissykay1999 -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/10/2007 10:51:01 AM)

Gee, I wonder if your problems are due to what you've endured, or might it be because of your piss poor attitude? Take a poll, and see how many people actually feel sorry for you with your "pity me" attitude, and how many think that as a man or a woman, you need some serious attitude adjustment. Nowhere did I say that I want to change my sex. I'm perfectly happy as a MAN. I get the feeling that you aren't happy as anything, and that I pity. Personally, I don't give a rats ass what nerve I've touched when all you can do is pick other's opinions to shreads. I wasn't patronizing anyone with my comments, and unless you know the OP personally, I suggest that YOU don'r presume to know what she meant. I can see why people drag out all the insults when speaking to you because if you approach everything as you approached my comments, you probably fit most of the bill.




LadyEllen -> RE: Should I hire a TV/TS at my salon & spa as a female (12/10/2007 11:49:40 AM)

Seems to me from reading the OP that the enquiry more likely regards employing a fetishistic crossdresser than someone showing signs of gender dysphoria. The clue is in the "forced femme" aspect, albeit that such a scenario isnt unknown for those with gender dysphoria who lack the courage to try things out of their own accord. Indeed, the confusion in many minds over what is a TV/CD and what it is a TS begins in my view with the tendency of TS women to start their forays into transition in the company of TVs and CDs - as well as the frequency with which TVs and CDs seem to try for better acceptance by portraying themselves as TS.

A spa/salon which is already LGBT friendly should, I suspect, have more than enough opportunity to discuss the possible employment of this person with relevant sources though, so I find it a little strange that the question was posted at all, unless for corroboration of opinions already gained?

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