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ORIGINAL: laurell3

I actually didn't say you made such claims.  Unfortunately you cannot chose how people respond to the OP.  People seem to be asking are they the same (sub and topspace) and asking for information on both.  There's nothing wrong with saying I'd like clinical information and it implies if anyone has any.  There's also nothing wrong with answering what people are saying and requesting information in the thread even if it's not the topic of the OP, in fact some of the best conversations here start out that way.

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ORIGINAL: SensibleSam

I am talking here about deep sub-space. I don't mean just the super strong sexual attraction that many subs feel for their Dom. And I don't mean the rosy afterglow state that is probably an endorphin high. I mean that sub-space that allows a woman to be beaten very hard and very long without protest. I mean that state that can begin almost instantaneously. I mean that state that deprives the subbie of coherent speech and rational thought. I mean the state where the woman has something like an OBE.

I think it's possible that many of the people on this thread have never been introduced to this level of sub-space. Certainly you never see it on the web BDSM pornography sites or even the whipping sites. In those videos no one trys to induce deep sub-space. Neither do you see it often if at all in public dungeons. We know it happens because people write about it, but deep sub-space is largely induced in private.

There is an exception. With practice some subs learn how to enter this state at will. This is analogous the yogis who can control their heart rate I suppose. You see these experienced subbies at public dungeons where they volunteer to be whipping targets. They can get a very severe whipping with essentially no distress.

As I said before to send a woman to this state she must be caned or whipped very hard and very fast. Slow strikes just don't do it. If she is one of those who like to savor the pain - slow stikes are appropriate. With a little recovery time between strokes she can remain in the here-and-now. Each sucessive lash will sting as much as the last.

But to send her into another state of consciousness, you must overwhelm her. You must beat fast and hard. At some point she will cease to be distressed. She won't protest or complain. She will become calm. She won't actually be with you anymore. She will be flying.

In my experience not all women can make this transition. Some can but don't want to. Others consider it to be the whole point of BDSM. For many this state is highly desireable and they appreciate the man who can take them there.

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


I agree with you. i only said the things I said because a person who posted was being disrepectful and insulting others. I was participating in the posts on subspace. i had no problem with that. People can disagree with out calling the others views "bullshit". or discounting your subjective experience because you have no clinical experience.

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ORIGINAL: OldBastardly1

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


I agree with you. i only said the things I said because a person who posted was being disrepectful and insulting others. I was participating in the posts on subspace. i had no problem with that. People can disagree with out calling the others views "bullshit". or discounting your subjective experience because you have no clinical experience.

dear, dear, dear.........I did not say his view was bullshit. I said my bullshit meter was going off. I did not say he was full of shit, or that he was wrong. What I did find hard to swallow, was that he seemed to be saying it almost *had* to be the way he described....and that seemed a bit in error. Since it seemed that neither he nor I had ever personally experienced subspace, I asked for some input from those that had. Since he made his statement in a clinical manner, with clinical references that I know nothing about, I asked for somebody with clinical knowledge to speak their point of view.

No need to get all snippy or to let your panites wad up on you.

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There's also nothing wrong with answering what people are saying and requesting information in the thread even if it's not the topic of the OP, in fact some of the best conversations here start out that way.