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breatheasone -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/7/2007 7:07:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KingofTrio Hello all, This is a question for the unowned slaves here on collarme; A) Are you seeking ownership for as long as things stay good? B) Are you seeking several years of ownership until you feel the need to leave? C) Are you seeking a lifetime of ownership, period, no excuses? Just a non-scientific poll with little use, unless it helps a slave think about who she is or helps me find a slave with a C mindset. King I was looking for A...but I found C. I couldn't be more thrilled. [:)] I have found my Home

slavegirljoy -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/7/2007 7:37:24 PM)
Fast Reply: While there are certainly no guarantees that any relationship will stand the test of time, it is the goal of this slave and of her Master to stay together for life. Only time will tell whether that is possible but, it is the commitment that He made to me and that i made to Him and, there is no doubt in my mind that He is just as committed to keeping me as His slave for the rest of His life as i am to remain His slave for the rest of my life. If there had been any doubt about that at all, i wouldn't have agreed to become His slave. To me, that's not 'romanticizing' my relationship with my Master. It's simply telling the plain truth about it. When i make a commitment, it's done only with my full intention of fullfilling it and, my Master is the same. slave joy Owned property of Master David

marieToo -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/7/2007 10:56:58 PM)
In general, I think many people are capable of making lifetime commitments when they really think they'll be in it for a lifetime, but in some cases things do change and some people end up breaking that commitment even though they thought they never would. In an Ms relationship I think the ultimate factor in keeping a lifetime slave is the owner's ability to get that slave in a mindset where they don't think they CAN leave, and to keep it there.

KingofTrio -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/8/2007 1:28:10 PM)
Dear HottLicks, Your reply to my questions was itself insulting. "I saw an attitude and a rather degrading or insulting one at that." Just what about presenting three different outlooks in which some people enter "slavery" is insulting to you? Yes, there are "slaves" who walk when the weekend is over, or the rent is due, or their nail polish wears off. How is it insulting to suggest this is so? Yes, there are "slaves" who stick around with the best intentions, but who grow bored after a while and feel they have grown to become different people, and thus need to move along. Much like the serial monogamy prevelant in vanilla society. How is presenting this style of person or attitude as a possibility insulting to you? Yes, there are "slaves" who enter into their slavery with 100% dedication. To what end do you find insult in saying so? If you look at the majority of the responses, they seem to concentrate on the lines between "for life" and/or "no excuses" and the real possibilities of insanity, greivous harm, physical danger, the "Master" becoming a different person than whom they originally pledged to. (Sort of an interesting correlation between this aspect of the conversation and the "B" answer offered, no?) The rest of your diatribe is just how upset you are at me, then you call me out as one who put a question up to call attention to my profile. I have no problem with your upset, makes no difference to me. As far as others looking at my profile, egads, what would the harm be there? Did I post to create such a devious end result? You are correct. Did I insult anyone other than your hyper sensitive self? Apparently not. Perhaps the level of thought put into the question was a tiny bit higher than you suspect, which would explain the level of thought most others have put into their answers. I have no wish to "anger a red head domme when she is ill", but when you can't put as much thought into your diatribe as was put into the original post, your anger matters not. I wish you less anger and better health, King

HottLicks -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/8/2007 1:58:57 PM)
King, A... and B... Both answers indicate that you believe a slave will stay only until she wants to leave... there was no room for staying with a situation unless it was in C where there were no excuses to leave. How can one answer other than what most did? They explained themselves and most stated that they were in it for the long term and fulfillment of both. That a no excuses situation was a fairytale. Where was there a thoughtful answer in which someone could answer that they don't go into it with the thought that when things get rough and they don't like it anymore, they will leave? In your survey, there were only two answers... they leave when they don't want to stay anymore or they stay with no excuses. You thought of only two ways. The fickle slave who will eventually leave or the one that stays and doesn't look for excuses. Most slaves that I know, are in it for the long term. To suggest in your answers allowed, that they always leave, was my issue with you. To suggest that a slave stay without excuses is belittling... like the man that thinks a woman is coming up with excuses to not do the right thing, when she decides she doesn't like the relationship. That is belittling in the sense that her feelings, needs, wants are used only as excuses to leave and be fickle, unstable or lacking somehow. Because others didn't take this where I did, doesn't mean that they didn't find things questionable. I believe that becasue most answered, explaining without your a, b or c answers and defining things, suggest to me at least that they found your a, b or c lacking. They were just nicer about things than I was. The comment on my redhead and illness was my submissive's. He too felt your questions were coming from a place that wasn't just... what was it... a poll with little use unless it makes a slave think about who she is or helps you find a slave with a c mindset. Typically profiles are used to find someone, not the boards from what I have seen in other threads... unless of course someone likes the things someone post, the post aren't used to find someone. In your comment... 'unless it makes a slave think about who she is... as if they needed you to bring that out... I found belittling. I am not sensitive... or offended... I just don't like people... what was it you said... postulating? And find men's attitudes that women are weak and needful of them and they act demeaning... bothersom.

missturbation -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/8/2007 2:07:04 PM)
quote: A) Are you seeking ownership for as long as things stay good? No, relationships have good and bad times as we all know. I would in my opinion say i would want to stay as long as the good outweighs the bad. quote: B) Are you seeking several years of ownership until you feel the need to leave? No, again whilst the good outweighs the bad i will stay. quote: C) Are you seeking a lifetime of ownership, period, no excuses? In a perfect world lol.

adoracat -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/8/2007 4:58:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KingofTrio Hello all, This is a question for the unowned slaves here on collarme; A) Are you seeking ownership for as long as things stay good? B) Are you seeking several years of ownership until you feel the need to leave? C) Are you seeking a lifetime of ownership, period, no excuses? Just a non-scientific poll with little use, unless it helps a slave think about who she is or helps me find a slave with a C mindset. King a) i stayed with two different Sirs till they literally died. both of them had serious health problems that lead to their deaths. i had no issues with staying with them. b) i was co-owned by a couple whom i still love very much....time and distance made it impossible for me to be with them any longer and i regretfully uncollared from them. i still love them, they still love me, and were i able to be with them again, i would be. c) Daddy says i'm his forever, that there will be NO uncollaring, even if i do relocate to another state, which has been discussed. the day may come when i am no longer within reach of his hands, and then i will be allowed to have another Sir if it comes to that...but i will always be Daddy's little one. kitten, unhappy about the third answer...cause i dont want to relocate.

wisteriaV -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/8/2007 5:27:46 PM)
Answer: C: Master and I are in it for the long haul. When we first got together, I didn't have medical issues that we life altering. Now that I do and I have opened myself for him to leave, he said point blank no that foever, means forever.

ownedgirlie -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/8/2007 10:06:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone I was looking for A...but I found C. I couldn't be more thrilled. This was the case for me. I stopped believing in forever. I entered this relationship with "we'll see" in my heart. I trusted nobody completely, and did not think I ever could. "We'll see" turned into "as long as things remain this good". Yet I have no doubt now that forever is indeed a possibility, and I am in it. There are reasons for this that go way beyond anything I need to justify. I'm not a romantic, so romance does not come into play for my reasoning.

eyesopened -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/9/2007 5:19:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KingofTrio Hello all, This is a question for the unowned slaves here on collarme; A) Are you seeking ownership for as long as things stay good? B) Are you seeking several years of ownership until you feel the need to leave? C) Are you seeking a lifetime of ownership, period, no excuses? Just a non-scientific poll with little use, unless it helps a slave think about who she is or helps me find a slave with a C mindset. King i know you asked this only of the unowned but i felt compelled to comment because so many are making choice C sound like it's all fantasy. i am owned. i did not enter into my relationship thinking there was a time limit. i also don't believe reasons to equal excuses but i know a lot of people who confuse the two words. In times past there was such a social stigma to divorce that people stayed married even if the marriage was not so good. This did result in some people being abused but more often it resulted in people working through difficulties and finding ways to make the marriage work. Today, marriages, and relationships in general have gotten disposable to the point where committment is always conditional so that there really isn't any committment at all. Abuse is a reason for the relationship to end. Master not wanting to go to the opera and forbidding me to go to the opera is an excuse. No excuses works for me! i am in my relationship for as long as we both live. Period. No excuses. Reasons? i don't think so... we worked out the deal-breakers ahead of time.

peterK50 -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/9/2007 5:22:54 AM)
You pray for C & hope for 5 minutes of quality.

AquaticSub -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/9/2007 10:24:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened In times past there was such a social stigma to divorce that people stayed married even if the marriage was not so good. This did result in some people being abused but more often it resulted in people working through difficulties and finding ways to make the marriage work. Today, marriages, and relationships in general have gotten disposable to the point where committment is always conditional so that there really isn't any committment at all. I disagree with that statement pretty strongly. I think it led to people finding ways to live with each other which is a far cry from a happy, working marriage.

goodgirl08 -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/9/2007 11:06:01 AM)
C as a goal and true intention. But, abuse counts as an excuse.

txnights05 -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/11/2007 9:50:52 PM)
Fast Reply: In my case i do not yet identify with being a slave so there is another step in there. I am looking for ownership but with less restrictions as i see a slave would have. Only experience will tell me if slavery is for me or what that would mean to me. I can fantasize about (C) but this lifestyle to me is about getting what i need as it is in any relationship vanilla or not. I was in a vanilla marriage for 21 years and i stayed way longer than things stayed good. I can't imagine doing that again whether i am vanilla, sub or slave. So, for me.... A) Are you seeking ownership for as long as things stay good? No, i don't bail at the first sign of trouble. Relationships take time to develop and to get all the kinks (he he) worked out. However if things go south and it becomes irreparable then that goes into... B) Are you seeking several years of ownership until you feel the need to leave? Yes, if all efforts have been made and the relationship is not mutually beneficial then i do not see any point in wasting the rest of your life being miserable. C) Are you seeking a lifetime of ownership, period, no excuses? Ideally, yes... a reality? I don't know.... pam

MasterFireMaam -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/11/2007 11:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: phoenixgirl Only a girl with the heart of a slave could honestly answer C). I know lots and lots of people with 'heart of slave' who would leave if the Master became abusive. You're assuming the relationship would be a healthy one for their entire life. That's not necessarily a valid assumption. Master Fire

goodgirl08 -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/12/2007 8:55:15 AM)
Yeah, the 'heart of a slave' hopefully contains some quantity of common sense in its deep recesses...

MTsLightning -> RE: a question for the slaves (12/12/2007 10:33:01 AM)
What is really interesting about this question to me is that you are asking it of UNOWNED submissives/potential slaves. Until you have been owned, how can you really KNOW what you are looking for? And if you have been owned before and aren't now, wouldn't you already be experienced and wise enough to know that shit happens and relationships end? It is so easy to think, I want this, I want that, but until you actually engage in "this" or "that" you aren't going to know if it REALLY works for you. I think people generally make their commitments with the best of intentions, and sure there are some flaky people who will bail out on their commitments with little to no thought, but MOST people really intend to stick to their word even when it is difficult. Answering "C" as it is literally written "NO excuses" is simply not realistic, because there are legitimate reasons why a person might need to end a M/s relationship the same as there are legitimate reasons to end a marraige.

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