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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 7:49:34 AM

Hypnotist4u

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The original question was:

quote:

ORIGINAL: druid
It occurs to me that it could be quite damaging
to a sub if it went arwy. I understand tha alot of what we do "could" go badly, but the brain is a complex bit of meat... If any of you could help me out with some info I'd appreciate it.
Be well,
Druid

I answered yes after reading much misinformation to his question. I also elaborated some on my answer.

Then people who have heard repeated over and over that "you won't do anything under hypnosis you wouldn't normally do" jump in and say I am wrong, so I have to elaborate since that statement is blatantly wrong.

Then, when I elaborate more jump in and try to minimalize the dangers.

This is crazy! FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THIS AND CONSIDERING PARTICIPATING IN HYPNOSIS WITH SOMEONE, PLEASE READ MY WARNINGS ABOVE.

Why would someone post a comment like the "Ad Nauseum" comment above to minimize the dangers?

That is like someone asking if it is safe to dring and drive, and I reply "No, you can get killed. I woud be REAL careful if I were you and you were considering it". To which you then reply "Yea, but it's dangerous to do so many other things including ironic things that no one would even consider as serious, why get everyone worked up about drinking and driving"?

Do you do that too when people are warned about other dangers? Why now then? Why detract from the REAL dangers that exist so that some may read your post, and lower their guard?

Believe me.....hypnosis abuse happens A LOT MORE than you could imagine. There are active hypnotist predators that roam the chat rooms for victims! Why wold anyone on here want to post a message detracting from the dangers, which in turn could lead to someone being abused? Right DOUGHNUTS? (Inside tease to a friend that just had a massive orgasm when she read the word "doughnuts". Oops, I did it again, sorry LOL)

But, hey! Go ahead and dring and drive! So many people are doing it, it's okay for you too. I mean, the dangers are blown way out of proportion! Look how many people drink and drive and get home safe every night. You have nothing to worry about. Well, okay at least not much to worry about anyway. Have fun! Oh yea, there's a book that says people who drink and drive will NEVER get hurt too! It's got to be true then, since there is a book that says it!!!!

make sense to you?

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 8:53:19 AM

IronBear

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quote:

This is crazy! FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THIS AND CONSIDERING PARTICIPATING IN HYPNOSIS WITH SOMEONE, PLEASE READ MY WARNINGS ABOVE.

Its not the drink driver who worries me but their victims. You are right when you said that mostly they don’t get hurt. It’s the innocent people who are smashed up and left legless (literally) or some ones parents are woken up during the night to be told that a drunk driver just killed their loved one.. Yep go ahead and drink and drive……

Hypnotism is fine .. sure we all know you cant get hurt….. Heh! There are some here who will not read or take notice when you have been told repeatedly that it is potentially dangerous… POTENTIALLY That means in the hands of inexperienced and ill trained practitioners the danger has just increased…. Some of you WILL NOT accept that under hypnosis people can be made to do things completely against their moral principles. I wont deny that it does take advanced techniques to be able to program a “sleeper’ who can be activated in some future date. Its just that some of you don’t want to know….. Go and research the used of hypnosis and mind altering drugs used by the KGB in the defunct Soviet Union. I know there were two people who were shocked and didn’t believe me regarding Mind Fucks and the uses of drugs,, I wasn’t talking about the variety being used in society today I’m talking about the use of the heavy duty stuff which will really screw you up. Is it available? Yes if you know what to get and where to get it. I know I can access it. Wake up folks, hypnosis is not a kiddie play thing but an very handy tool.

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 9:22:15 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hypnotist4u
Then people who have heard repeated over and over that "you won't do anything under hypnosis you wouldn't normally do" jump in and say I am wrong, so I have to elaborate since that statement is blatantly wrong.

Actually I never said "normally" That word changes the context a HECK of a lot.

quote:

But, hey! Go ahead and dring and drive! So many people are doing it, it's okay for you too. I mean, the dangers are blown way out of proportion! Look how many people drink and drive and get home safe every night. You have nothing to worry about. Well, okay at least not much to worry about anyway. Have fun! Oh yea, there's a book that says people who drink and drive will NEVER get hurt too! It's got to be true then, since there is a book that says it!!!!

make sense to you?

Hypnosis REQUIRES the active opening of the person towards it. If a person refuses, it simply won't happen. In a rapist situation, a woman can fight and still be overpowered. This is simply not possible when it comes to hypnosis.

And this has nothing to do with using drugs- that's a completely different topic.

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 12:59:15 PM

CitizenCane

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I have to back Hypnotist4u up here- there are significant dangers to hypnosis. It's a very powerful tool, and like anything powerful, it has negative potentials.
First, it is possible to get people to do all kinds of things they feel strong opposition to doing. Probably not in a single session, but over time, with a consistent pattern of reinforcement in trance, a person's perception of reality can be seriously distorted, and their desire to do or not do any specific thing is, of course, depending on what they perceive themselves to be doing. It's also the case that many people have conflicting levels of desire/opposition about doing the same things- that is, they may have a deep and powerful urge to do an action that is censored by another part of the mind. Hypnosis can negate this self-censoring activity- in fact, that's what hypnosis DOES. Not everyone's deep urges are nice ones, and using hypnosis, drugs and other suasions that release what they have repressed is a dangerous activity.
Besides what people can be lead to do, hypnosis has a powerful 'releasing' effect on suppressed emotion and memory. Unless you're qualified to deal with such releases, and willing to take the responsibility of doing so, you shouldn't meddle with hypnosis.

Cane

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 1:11:44 PM

IronBear

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quote:

And this has nothing to do with using drugs- that's a completely different topic.

ES2, I'm goint to disagree here. The subject evolved to Hypnotism generally and the use of drugs are ar part of that. At the extreme end range I'll agree but they are involved. BTW People can be induced to enter into a hypnotic trance against their will. It is not generally practiced as it does use several techniques which may be illegal but it can be done...

If you want to stay within the realms of BDSM then it still is something that I'd view with a weary eye in any case and its not something I will encompase with any sub/slave, unless she was mine and we were using hypnosis for other reasons, then I may use it to take her to levels as part of training. Maybe!

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 1:19:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
If you want to stay within the realms of BDSM then it still is something that I'd view with a weary eye in any case and its not something I will encompase with any sub/slave, unless she was mine and we were using hypnosis for other reasons, then I may use it to take her to levels as part of training. Maybe![/size][/font]

If we want to talk about drug induction, then my answer will change dramatically. While I thoroughly enjoy knock-out play and the like, there are other thread which go into that and where I've explained my thoughts on those risks and things to be aware of.

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 1:52:44 PM

IronBear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear
If you want to stay within the realms of BDSM then it still is something that I'd view with a weary eye in any case and its not something I will encompase with any sub/slave, unless she was mine and we were using hypnosis for other reasons, then I may use it to take her to levels as part of training. Maybe!

If we want to talk about drug induction, then my answer will change dramatically. While I thoroughly enjoy knock-out play and the like, there are other thread which go into that and where I've explained my thoughts on those risks and things to be aware of.

I agree, however I was referring to the use of drugs which will completely alter the mind and fast track hypnosis.. Not the sort of drugs I’d advocate for play parties but they are useful for drug induced interrogation where the subject must be kept in a suitable state to dissect his mind and until he is broken and drained of all information then there is little use in him remaining alive except as a warning to others…. That is a completely different kettle of fish..

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 2:39:20 PM

CitizenCane

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I think that perhaps ES2 and others are thinking of hypnosis only in terms of stage and parlor trick style hypnosis, and such things probably are pretty benign for the most part. However, it's not that easy to isolate hypnosis from all kinds of other factors in a person's mental, social and physical environment. A submissive already motivated by a desire to please, but having a history of trauma, as an example, would be highly susceptible to hypnosis, but equally likely to have unpredictable responses, some of which could easily be traumatic in themselves. In such a situation, it would be critically important that the hypnotist/dom be not only ethical and a skilled hypnotist, but also have a high level of awareness of what is actually going in the subject's mind, rather than be entirely focused on the superficial responses to his suggestions.
I have seen people put into trance not only without their knowledge and consent, but without even the knowledge of the inducer. These were cases of 'alternative therapy' practice in which the practitioners believed they were doing something 'scientific', but what they were actually achieving was hypnosis. Since they didn't know that this what was happening, they obviously were poorly prepared to deal with the results.

Cane

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 3:12:35 PM

Hypnotist4u

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

This is crazy! FOR THOSE WHO ARE READING THIS AND CONSIDERING PARTICIPATING IN HYPNOSIS WITH SOMEONE, PLEASE READ MY WARNINGS ABOVE.

Its not the drink driver who worries me but their victims. You are right when you said that mostly they don’t get hurt. It’s the innocent people who are smashed up and left legless (literally) or some ones parents are woken up during the night to be told that a drunk driver just killed their loved one.. Yep go ahead and drink and drive……

Hypnotism is fine .. sure we all know you cant get hurt….. Heh! There are some here who will not read or take notice when you have been told repeatedly that it is potentially dangerous… POTENTIALLY That means in the hands of inexperienced and ill trained practitioners the danger has just increased…. Some of you WILL NOT accept that under hypnosis people can be made to do things completely against their moral principles. I wont deny that it does take advanced techniques to be able to program a “sleeper’ who can be activated in some future date. Its just that some of you don’t want to know….. Go and research the used of hypnosis and mind altering drugs used by the KGB in the defunct Soviet Union. I know there were two people who were shocked and didn’t believe me regarding Mind Fucks and the uses of drugs,, I wasn’t talking about the variety being used in society today I’m talking about the use of the heavy duty stuff which will really screw you up. Is it available? Yes if you know what to get and where to get it. I know I can access it. Wake up folks, hypnosis is not a kiddie play thing but an very handy tool.

Well said!

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 3:33:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hypnotist4u
Then people who have heard repeated over and over that "you won't do anything under hypnosis you wouldn't normally do" jump in and say I am wrong, so I have to elaborate since that statement is blatantly wrong.

Actually I never said "normally" That word changes the context a HECK of a lot.

I did NOT quote you saying "normally". I quoted the original post. In your post you said "forced" which misquotes the basic inaccurate premis a HECK of a lot more. It leads people to once again be reinforced that there is nothing to worry about when playing with hypnosis, which is wrong as a general statement, not just when the word "forced" is included. Force was, never an issue in the original question.

quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hypnotist4u
But, hey! Go ahead and dring and drive! So many people are doing it, it's okay for you too. I mean, the dangers are blown way out of proportion! Look how many people drink and drive and get home safe every night. You have nothing to worry about. Well, okay at least not much to worry about anyway. Have fun! Oh yea, there's a book that says people who drink and drive will NEVER get hurt too! It's got to be true then, since there is a book that says it!!!!

make sense to you?

Hypnosis REQUIRES the active opening of the person towards it. If a person refuses, it simply won't happen. In a rapist situation, a woman can fight and still be overpowered. This is simply not possible when it comes to hypnosis.

You are now bringing statements into the thread that were never mentioned, such as people refusing to do it. That was not a part of the original question.

Technically though, your point is still wrong. Read up on NLP. People are manipulated by hypnosis type techniques all day every day and have no clue they are manipulated. Do a search on "Speed Seduction" by "Ross Jeffries" and you will see how it is not only possible, but how there are even seminars teaching guys to do it! Oh, and it works too! I have a friend that is a huge follower of Ross & his work.

quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
And this has nothing to do with using drugs- that's a completely different topic.

Ahh, but in my opinion the subject of drug use in conjunction with hypnosis to attain an undeisred and/or dangerous result with hypnosis is a lot more relevant to this thread than whethere someone can be "overpowered" by hypnosis, which you tossed into the thread though the question or idea was not raised.

DOUGHNUTS! LOL

< Message edited by Hypnotist4u -- 8/16/2005 3:38:56 PM >

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 4:02:22 PM

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*rolls her eyes at Hypnotic Guy* Dang it you have got to stop doing that *chuckles*

Dawn

-one of his many hypnosluts(LOL)

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 4:10:01 PM

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quote:

Technically though, your point is still wrong. Read up on NLP. People are manipulated by hypnosis type techniques all day every day and have no clue they are manipulated. Do a search on "Speed Seduction" by "Ross Jeffries" and you will see how it is not only possible, but how there are even seminars teaching guys to do it! Oh, and it works too! I have a friend that is a huge follower of Ross & his work.

I was reading some material I have packed away somewhere a detailed synopsis on the techniques, including hypnotism and drugs used in the mental Health facility in Leningrad where political prisoners and the like were interrogated by the KGB. The techniques also included the use of subsonic, which does work in the subconscious and is effective to prepare people for other forms of suggestion. Naturally there were case notes regarding prisoners who were just difficult to place under hypnosis even with the use of drugs. Interestingly, I’ve (somewhere in my books) an interesting copy of techniques used by corporate Japan to induce people into looking favourably at a variety of merchandise or business deals. Now for the word “Induce” substitute: “Hypnotic Techniques”. (No I don’t read Japanese or Russian, I have translations.)

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RE: hypnosis - 8/16/2005 10:41:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dawnlicious

*rolls her eyes at Hypnotic Guy* Dang it you have got to stop doing that *chuckles*

Dawn

-one of his many hypnosluts(LOL)

Doing what? You mean DOUGHNUTS? ;) Or naughty Girl????

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RE: hypnosis - 8/17/2005 4:36:02 AM

IronBear

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Would depend on just what you were planning to do with the Doughnuts surely. <Wanders off trying to look innocent>

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RE: hypnosis - 8/17/2005 10:40:33 AM

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quote:

Actually hypnosis is one of the lowest risk kinks a person can get into.

Sorry EmeraldSlave but this time I have to disagree. Anytime you start messing with a person's mind in depth you need to be VERY careful. Sometimes the smallest change can have very grave long-term consequenses. I think hypnosos should be left to the professionals who have the knowledge to use it properly. This is one item he should NOT add to his bag of tricks unless he is willing to commit the time and effort to learn to use it properly.

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RE: hypnosis - 8/18/2005 1:04:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Would depend on just what you were planning to do with the Doughnuts surely. <Wanders off trying to look innocent>

Any suggestions? I have several donut / doughnut ideas, but am always open for more! :)

Oops, sorry dawnlicious! I slipped ;)

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RE: hypnosis - 8/18/2005 11:31:45 PM

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slipped?? Yeah that's what that was *chuckles*

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RE: hypnosis - 8/21/2005 2:17:30 PM

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I would have to agree with Hypnotist4u Hypnosis while not completly dangerous if one thing is said wrong you can change the persons intire way of looking at things. Like him I have a way of using a type of low level hypnosis to make things seem better than they really are other than that I would not go any farther due to the possiblities.

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RE: hypnosis - 8/25/2005 12:18:09 PM

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I am intrigued by the process you speak of and would like to know more. Also rather new to forum and want to know how to change the damn vanilla next to my post.

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RE: hypnosis - 8/25/2005 1:15:15 PM

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QUESTION TIME

Yesterday, some yokel got on the IM and was like want to try hypno? My response was to say it wouldnt work, so they went on to say well try it. So i was like OOOOOOOOookay.. Hypnotism on the computer, this'll be funny.

So they sent me here

http://www.soforia.com/play.html

Strange as it may sound.. You stare at that thing long enough and it MAKES THE COMPUTER SCREEN MOVE.. oh geez.. keep staring your keyboard will move too. And yeah i felt spacey and trancey. Twas STRANGE.

So yokel gets on the IM and starts with this "obeying" stuff. Asked me how i felt a couple of times and usually my response was "like i got a free buzz" <grins> Cos i felt buzzed. Sorta went into it.. and well i took a nap with out taking a nap until another yokel sent me one of those audibles on yahoo. Golly, as pretty as it was, and how it liked sucking me in.. (as its trying to now LOLOL) and i could change its direction and stuff.. no matter how trancey or sleepy or floaty i felt.. all i could think was one thing. "i should REALLY be calling Master about now" Being that i was also oh ever so sllightly nervous as though i didnt believe in it, i could literally feel myself floating.

i mean Geez, i like psychedilics as much as the next person. Love my the starfield on the screen saver and watching stuff like this. Never EVER felt floaty before. Never ever got "nervous" about it to where my chest was feeling oh so tight. Every time he tried telling me something, my best response was to laugh, or just smile. Frustrated the heck out of him, cos he'd ask, why not and whether thats hypno or not. God knows what it was (which is what i am here trying to ask) It honestly felt like Master was blocking him out. Rather Master was the wall that was keeping me from sinking.

So umm... what did happen, what in the worlds name was that about? I felt floaty and spacey for hours, took a while to come back to mother earth and really didnt kick in (being back on earth) till i took a nap a couple of hours later. As WIERD as this will sound the IM box well it stopped looking "real" but i knew some part of my mind, this was some strange dude. And as wierd as it will sound.. He tried telling me to go back 10 years to when i was 15.. said something and asked how old i was.. my first thought WAS 15, but i knew i was 25. My response to him was, 15 BUT 25.

Aye it was odd. So what the heck? Cos i dont believe in hypnosis. But i believe in how i feel

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