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RE: Name Capping - 8/17/2005 5:30:08 AM   
darkinshadows


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Its not something I would do in life but I admit, I used to way back, do it when I first started out using net forums and rooms - just because it 'seemed ' to be the set way of stuff being done. But as I learnt about the net, I realised that the reality is that there is no set protocol - thank god.

Now, I just respond to people how they address themselves.
If someone sends their name capped, I will cap it - if its lower case - I lower case it. No biggie. The reason I am 'dark~angel' is because to me - 'Dark~Angel' just isnt 'me'. I tried it - don't like it - but I always sign myself as ~Angel~.

I have found that people who associate lower casing with submission are just not fully aware that its mainly an online thing and havent really had much contact 'outside'. But - its not always a given - just an observation.

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RE: Name Capping - 8/17/2005 6:39:44 AM   
Mercnbeth


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quote:

Does this bug anyone but me? Am I being way to editor-y and picky?

this slave finds it interesting that the first documented use of "to cap or not to cap" started with Roman slaves way back in the 4th century, not just here on the internet!

Historical Use of Capitalization

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RE: Name Capping - 8/17/2005 7:42:12 AM   
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Firstly, i dont let others define me

Secondly, i dont think having an uncapped name makes me unworthy

Thirdly, uncapping my name only tells me that its a habit. Means nothing other then that to me.

There fore, since i have my OWN definition, one i have no problem with, other ppl's definition, i let fly by me. Because quite honestly, i dont care. They're uncapped "riotgirl" maybe saying i'm the lowest dog with the most fleas. But to me it says "hey i'm submissive" i like those little reminders. Dont ask why, i do.

To sum it all up. i think its projection here. You're projecting your own negative feelings about something into other ppl's words (or uncapitalization). (stay with me) BECAUSE you think it says you are "unworthy" (or whatever) YOU feel it is what they are saying about YOU. Hence your issue.

On this topic, WHY is being "submissive" all of a sudden being "unworthy"?? Are the subs here having Dom envy? Its alike all the things those do that remind us that we are submissive, is WRONG. Seems like some here, are struggling with their submissiveness?

Quite honestly, i am submissive and a slave, very proud of it, and dont mind being reminded of it. Just dont cross the line and think i'm YOUR submissive, because all it will do is put in my head that you are obviously a fake, have no clue about the lifestyle, are disrespectful, and a few other things. If you're lucky, i'd educate you and then block you, if your not, i'll simply block you.

So um whats the problem again?

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RE: Name Capping - 8/17/2005 8:52:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

Does this bug anyone but me? Am I being way to editor-y and picky?

this slave finds it interesting that the first documented use of "to cap or not to cap" started with Roman slaves way back in the 4th century, not just here on the internet!

Historical Use of Capitalization



Touche!!!!

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RE: Name Capping - 8/17/2005 4:36:55 PM   
perverseangelic


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Re: Use of capping in Greece/Rome

Honestly, I don't see it as the same thing as this is consensual slavery we're dealing with here. Within that context, it seems that "slave" was a social class. That is, a slave was below everyone, by definition.

Within this context, one who is in service is not below everyone. It's a very different set up to me, and it makes the feeling different.

quote:


To sum it all up. i think its projection here. You're projecting your own negative feelings about something into other ppl's words (or uncapitalization). (stay with me) BECAUSE you think it says you are "unworthy" (or whatever) YOU feel it is what they are saying about YOU. Hence your issue.

On this topic, WHY is being "submissive" all of a sudden being "unworthy"?? Are the subs here having Dom envy? Its alike all the things those do that remind us that we are submissive, is WRONG. Seems like some here, are struggling with their submissiveness?

Quite honestly, i am submissive and a slave, very proud of it, and dont mind being reminded of it. Just dont cross the line and think i'm YOUR submissive, because all it will do is put in my head that you are obviously a fake, have no clue about the lifestyle, are disrespectful, and a few other things. If you're lucky, i'd educate you and then block you, if your not, i'll simply block you.


The problem is two fold--imposing your standards on me, and going against my expressed desires.

Were this a situation of non-consensual slavery, were I in a societal class under free people, then I wouldn't have the right to complain. However, in the type of power play I engage in, I am the equal of every individual save my partner. As such, it is my right to state how I prefer to be addressed, and I believe it's simple politeness to address me as such.

You mentioned projection. I don't have a problem with non-standard capping, when used for the self. Eh, do what you like. What bothers me is the projection of that onto me, when I spesifically ask to be refered to otherwise.

I don't think uncapped names mean "unworthy" I think it simply is gramatically incorrect, unless that name is presented as uncapped. I'm not saying that if I introduce myself as "perverseangelic" I expect automatically to have it capped. I am saying that if I introduce myself as "Samantha" I expect it to remain that way. I have expressed my desire to be refered to as such. To ignore that desire -is- to treat me as unworthy, and often it is because I serve my partner that it is done.

To take my proper name, and refuse to use it, is to treat me as less than, to project your value of what a submissive person should be onto who I am. I don't believe that submissive people are unworthy, nor do I believe that uncapped names are "unworthy" if used appropriatly. I -do- believe that to uncap a name that was presented to you capped is to treat that person as unworthy. It reads, to me, as a subtle attempt to put that person "in his/her place."

I figure individuals have a right to do what works for them, however that right ends when it begins to project onto another individual.

I'm an English major. I read into texts. To me, the way someone uses my name says -volumes- about them. I would never complain about someone who chooses to cap their pronouns, though I might find it silly. I -would- object when they cap my partners pronouns, because it is something he vehemently opposes. Again, an excercise in assertion. However, even then, I don't bother too much because it isn't as if the individuals are takling to my partner. However, regardless as to my role, it is polite to address me like a human being, which means giving me the same courtesy you'd give any other human. If you don't cap anyones name, that means not capping mine. If you cap some peoples names, then I prefer to be 'spoken' to in (mostly)proper english.

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RE: Name Capping - 8/18/2005 6:48:56 AM   
Sabella


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I'm glad to see this thread :) it's bugged me greatly trying to figure out the general "feel" for this here on CM. I tried using lower case in my name in chat one evening, it bothered me so I never did it again. I have been uncertain on how to respond to fellow subs who e'mail me & the name they sign is obviously un-capped. Most of the time I cap their name, I don't like the association *I* feel it's sending - that they are a thing & not a person. But that's just MHO.

Personally I'd be VERY glad if some idiot sent me an e'mail that I needed to lowercase my name - it would get them booted quicker out of my e'mail.

The whole O/our & W/we irks me to DEATH but I guess if it makes folks using it happy, more power to 'em, it's not hurting me. I'm not going to respond & use that format tho if I'm talking to a couple.

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RE: Name Capping - 8/18/2005 6:11:11 PM   
sub4hire


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quote:

I did my first scene in 1964. Things were a LOT worse then. There were no organizations for hets. (TES got started in 1969 and that was the first one) There were no nonfiction books even for the gays. Leatherman's Guide didn't appear until ten years later. SM101, the first hetro nonfiction had to wait until 1992. There were a few contact magazines, but most of the adverts were phony, placed by the publishers to get money from the readers, and much of the rest were pros and con jobs.


Accurate. However I was studying sexual dysfuncation in 78 and yes I knew of the lifestyle. Even knew male/female couples. But I did not know subs and doms. I knew Masters and slaves.

Still today you can send me an offending e-mail and I can turn it into authorites. You can still be charged. The world hasn't changed very much.


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RE: Name Capping - 8/18/2005 8:07:26 PM   
kisshou


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quote:

ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2
I dislike it when someone else does it to ME because it's an imposition of their values and rituals on me.


gosh ES2 this is exactly what I was trying to say in the thread about a Gorean forum. (jumps up and down and waves to mnotertail)

As for the capitolizing it does not bother me at all. In an online (typing) form of expression it is a quick identifier for chat. The Y/you slashes drive me nuts though because it reads like stuttering.

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RE: Name Capping - 8/18/2005 8:26:37 PM   
mnottertail


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Apparently, I owe you an apology, not quite sure-- do you want Kisshou? I believe I have done it before. I am not looking to be rude to you.........tell me how to do it.

I am mnottertail for a nick cause I am not a capper see: 'stupid chicken dance', Ron (my given name) and sometimes you sign just kiss.......so I think i've done that as well.

I will change to McOttertail and you can have it your way.

I don't know if this actually has the courage of an apology. But I mean well.

Ron



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RE: Name Capping - 8/19/2005 2:37:52 PM   
kisshou


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gosh you do not owe me an apology and I know you always mean well and are one of my favorite people here. I sign kiss because I think it is cute :) plus I love kissing.

I don't want it my way I just want to be pleasing, so if a writing style or form of address offends people , that is not very pleasing. (ES2 said it better , but that was what I was trying to say about Gorean protocol )

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RE: Name Capping - 8/19/2005 3:26:05 PM   
bulletproof


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at another forum I use this handle and sometimes people capitilize it if quoting me or yakking back and forth.
the ones who don't, know why I don't use the capital.

then again, I don't use caps for much unless doing business correspondence. I do try to remember to cap or not someone else's screen name.

I think I was only in grade school when I stopped capitalizing my name, and I had no understanding of the reasons we'd use here. I just didn't like it.


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RE: Name Capping - 8/19/2005 5:55:40 PM   
mnottertail


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Thank you dear heart,

My regards to your Master. I have always pronounced your name as Kiss how in my head.....I have pondered greatly but to no avail what the how part might be. am I to be enlightened?


Sincerely,
Ron

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RE: Name Capping - 8/19/2005 8:41:26 PM   
kisshou


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kisshou means lucky omen.... though I was once sub to a BDSM sir who trained me to be a cumslut.....does that answer the kiss how question :P

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