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Born2ServeU9 -> Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 12:46:13 PM)

My last owner was adamant about me getting a tattoo for her. She wanted this badly and I was reluctant to do it. Anyhow we parted ways and don't see each other anymore so I am glad I did not get the tattoo. I was her live-in and for a while we were very close but a tattoo was not for me. Is getting tattooed for your owner common? Is that something that a slave should expect in a long term relationship? I don't know if maybe I was selfish for not doing it. I am worried that I did the wrong thing by refusing. Please give me another person's view and tell me what you think.




Shawn1066 -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 12:55:40 PM)

My Owner has brought the subject of getting a tattoo at some point in the future to me.  It's not something I think she'll order me to do, or anything like that...  Just something I am to consider.  I don't think I'd have a problem with getting it after a year or so, really.

Of course, something as semi-permanant is a tattoo is something you should never get right away, unless it's something that you'd like no matter what.




beltainefaerie -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 12:56:08 PM)

It is one of my most intense fantasise, actually.  My (vanilla) husband is working on a design that symbolizes himself, so that I am always marked as HIS.  He is still deciding whether a smaller mark below his is acceptable for my Master, who would like to mark me if our spouses agree.  In my mind, both of them own me, just in very different ways.  I think it is different when you have made a lifetime commitment, in which case you are not worried about parting and being left with a mark you don't want.  I am very much in favor of designs rather than names and I don't think they should be done without very serious commitment on the part of those involved, like a collar or a wedding ring.  I have also known slaves that were marked and then parted ways with their dominant, but treasured the mark as a symbol of their service and memories. 

As to whether you should have done it, only you can answer.  It seems as though you didn't want it, and have now parted ways, so perhaps it was a good decision.

It is not standard to tattoo a slave/sub, any more than anything else in BDSM is standard.  Many do like to pierce or tattoo a slave a symbol of ownership/commitment, but it is not necessary or a given.  It would be personal to those involved.




darchChylde -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:05:07 PM)

i believe that, due to the fact that it is impossible to truly predict how a relationship be survive in the future; it is a major risk to get a tattoo for another person not blood-related

i also feel that if you must get a tattoo to symbolize the bond of your relationship; avoid, if at all possible, names... your possible future partner may not understand and getting a tattoo removed or covered up is generally painful, expensive and/or ugly

on the other hand, if the opportunity arises; i would jump to get a tattoo of Tinkerbell is some sort of llifestyle gear with the words "imp's pet" under it on a discrete part of my body... though i would more likely go for something more abstract that means something special to She and i, while being just a pretty image to the casual viewer; like my two current tattoos, which are stylized "tribal" ideograms of my mother and daughter's names




MsRaisingKane -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:05:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Born2ServeU9

My last owner was adamant about me getting a tattoo for her. She wanted this badly and I was reluctant to do it. Anyhow we parted ways and don't see each other anymore so I am glad I did not get the tattoo. I was her live-in and for a while we were very close but a tattoo was not for me. Is getting tattooed for your owner common? Is that something that a slave should expect in a long term relationship? I don't know if maybe I was selfish for not doing it. I am worried that I did the wrong thing by refusing. Please give me another person's view and tell me what you think.


I understand that asking one to do something permanent before there's a long-term commitment is questionable but also I would only have a sub tattooed when I judged it would be appropriate.  By then if he didn't want to please me enough to get it, I'd know I had problems ahead.  I don't think "being selfish" is the issue, rather not taking genuine pleasure in seeing your Mistress happy is.




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:05:19 PM)

There is no standard. IF you are against tattoos in general, than refusing to get one for your owner really isnt that unusual.
I have discussed the idea woth both my boys.  Angel has flat out said no, he doesnt believe in tattooing his body. OK, case closed end of discussion. Fox is willing to consider the idea. We have talked about the possible designs, and it will be something that, if we did part, he would ot have to explain to others. It will be a symbol that has meaning, to us as well as in general.  I can not understand, nor do I condone tattooing someone's name on your body unless it is your own child. Thats just me.

DV




LadyHugs -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:07:37 PM)

Dear Born2Serveu9, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
It is evident that though relationships may end--tattoos do not and or brands.
 
It wasn't a real big thing in my mind to have a slave branded and or tattooed.  If I did wish a slave to have a tattoo, I would go for a temporary Henna tattoo which disappears over time.
Some could 'ink' a design on you--not tattoo.  Magic Markers work also and some are so that you can draw and design all you wish.
 
I personally wouldn't suggest a slave of mine to get tattooed, branded and or pierced unless we were in the relationship three years or more. 
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




vampchick88 -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:21:59 PM)

  Its all up to that individual. Personally I have a few piercings and one tatt. Those were by choice. I'm a Domme and could never see myself trying to force my subby rubberpet into doing somthing to his body permanently unless he wanted it, AND we would have to be together quite a while. As others have stated it is permanent, its not most people's cup of tea. 
  Its not being selfish in the least not wanting to get somones mark, no matter the reason. You can be flogged, used for service, etc...but branding and tatts...eh, thats a whole other dimension.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:34:22 PM)

I'm with LadyHugs, its something to not be taken lightly.
So if you feel even the littlest doubt then dont do it.

I have branded a couple submissives with brands that fade just incase and
it turned out to be a good idea.

I have also done more permanent brandings in a design that if something
were to happen it wouldnt matter as its just a design or a mark like a circle.

Bishop aka Punk got My portait done on her arm as a surprise to
Me for an anniversary present.
She wanted to show the world that she is forever Mine... Not much can top that for a present...shes been trying ever since...lol







darchChylde -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:42:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsRaisingKane

I understand that asking one to do something permanent before there's a long-term commitment is questionable but also I would only have a sub tattooed when I judged it would be appropriate.  By then if he didn't want to please me enough to get it, I'd know I had problems ahead.  I don't think "being selfish" is the issue, rather not taking genuine pleasure in seeing your Mistress happy is.


i understand that it is a dominant's right to set conditions or expectations on the love and devotion of their charge... but i ask you a simple question: have you ever had a relationship of any kind that you saw as a forever kind of thing end, for any reason whatsoever

in a best case scenario: no offense intended, but at your age; can you consider that it is possible that you might pass away before your charge and a permanent tattoo would be an everpresent reminder of the joy and sorrow of your love and your loss? so much so that he or she may never be able to move on in his own life?

i have two examples of this; over 10 years ago i lost my wife and daughter in an accident... for 5 years i wore my wedding band on my left ring finger and then on a chain about my neck, and due to the way i am wired i had great difficulty in seeing the band as a reminder of the joy i had with my wife in life and instead saw only the loss of her from my world... eventually i had to put this ring in a place where i would never be able to see it without a great amount of effort on my part, that reminder being gone has made things easier if not actually easy

now on my right inner forearm i have tattoo of a stylized representation of my daughters name, and i have had cause to regret it; because at odd moments, usually of joy, i will find myself tracing the lines of the symbol; now it has been 10 years since i have truly felt unadulterated joy without it being tainted by the loss of those who i can no longer share that joy with

i'm not saying that the case would be different if i did not have this tattoo, but i know that i wouldn't have the clear reminder always literally at hand

even in an honest trust that your relationship is "til death do us part", you would have to consider your charge's continued emotional well-being... and if they are at all hesitant about a permanent mark symbolizing your relationship, you can be sure that they have considered as much... to demand, as a condition of devotion, something that could very well scar (literally and figuratively) your charge for life is, in my opinion, an unwontedly cruel and irresponsible act for a dominant

the loss of the relationship, in any way, will be painful enough as it is; no need to add to that for someone unwilling to take up the extra grief without hesitation




BoiJen -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 1:43:14 PM)

Tattoos aren't permanent in the matter that they annot be removed or covered up...it just costs a lot of money. Personally I like ink I enjoy getting ink...and when asked if I were to be allowed to pick a tattoo to0 represent a mark of Her ownership I told MsK it'd be Her signature "cat head" then again I'm weird




slaveboyforyou -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 2:41:29 PM)

*FastReply*

I don't understand why you think you are being selfish.  I hate tattoos and piercings; I will never get one.  I think they are trashy looking.  I don't see anything individualistic about them, when everyone and their mother seems to have one these days.  If anyone was being selfish it was her for breaking up with you over something so trivial.  Trust me, you are better off not having someone that shallow in your life.      




canupleaseme -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 2:48:14 PM)

I love tattoo's I should of listened when I was told how addictive they are !!
I only have one name on my body and that is my dad's he died when I was 13 and me and my sister thought it would be nice to have his name and we each have charlies angel with a little red love heart underneath it. The rest are all pictures or symbols that hold deep meaning for me. Thats the only name I would consider having as it will never change nor his meaning to me.
I love my boy, the thought of having something tattoed on me that represented him or something would be great.  I wouldnt ever consider doing this untill we had been together for years and years.  Life changes constantly and whilst I can sit planning our old age in my head I also know that realistically shit happens, I hope to god it doesnt and we are still together in our 80's but just on case Im going to leave it a fantasy.  As for him getting one that wont ever happen.  Its a very hard limit for him and he is just too cute and adoraable all new looking and I wouldnt want to change that[:)]




unravel -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 2:59:42 PM)

i am pierced in a few various places, but not tattooed. However if in a LTR D/s relationship, i think i would welcome the idea of the Dominant offering/asking a tattoo to be put on me. i would see it as a proud mark of ownership. That plus it can be artistic and beautiful too:)
Then again... if the relationship breaks up down the road... well... a bit like the "Winona forever" tattoo of Johnny Depp, right? That's Life...
unravel:)




egghead -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 11:03:15 PM)

I'd probably agree to it as long as the Domme's name was not on it. I'd accept it as a gift symbolic of her domination and as something for me to remember her by forever regardless of the outcome of a D/s relationship.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/10/2007 11:26:35 PM)

I wouldn't require any of mine to modify their bodies in a permanent way that was adverse to their desires for such. Tattoos, brands and scarification are usually for life. If this is a hard limit for you, state it as such.

Piercings, however, can usually grow closed once removed. They might be a compromise for you. She can have engraved tags hung on them that say whatever she wants. If the relationship ends, you can remove them and the piercing and not be marked for life, except for, perhaps, some small indentations indicating where the holes were.

Master Fire




thetammyjo -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/11/2007 5:37:34 AM)

I'm a fairly cautious person and so is Fox so it took us 7 years before we got his ears pierces as a sign of ownership. I imagine it would take at least that long before we got a tattoo or a brand if ever.

I can say that in fantasy I find the brand and tattoo very hot but in meatlife I honestly don't find them very attractive, at best they are neutral to me.




undergroundsea -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/11/2007 3:45:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsRaisingKane
I understand that asking one to do something permanent before there's a long-term commitment is questionable but also I would only have a sub tattooed when I judged it would be appropriate.  By then if he didn't want to please me enough to get it, I'd know I had problems ahead.  I don't think "being selfish" is the issue, rather not taking genuine pleasure in seeing your Mistress happy is.


I think taking genuine pleasure in seeing one's domme happy via the act in question needs to be qualified with whether the relationship level is consistent whatever step is being considered (which you also state), whether it is consistent with the energy the other reciprocates into the relationship, and matters of reality.

By matters of reality I mean that relationships can end. What if the relationship does end? I imagine most dommes would not be happy with a tattoo on their sub that describes ownership to another person. A tattoo that can withstand a parting (one that is symbolic but general versus a name) should it occur is less of a concern with respect to this point.

If you think the odds of a relationship ending are minimal, are you willing to participate in these odds by agreeing to share costs of tattoo removal should such an event occur? Otherwise, I think asking for such a tattoo lays all the ramifications on only the submissive if the relationship ends. 

Cheers,

Sea




MystressDream -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/11/2007 6:25:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsRaisingKane
I understand that asking one to do something permanent before there's a long-term commitment is questionable but also I would only have a sub tattooed when I judged it would be appropriate.  By then if he didn't want to please me enough to get it, I'd know I had problems ahead.  I don't think "being selfish" is the issue, rather not taking genuine pleasure in seeing your Mistress happy is.


I think taking genuine pleasure in seeing one's domme happy via the act in question needs to be qualified with whether the relationship level is consistent whatever step is being considered (which you also state), whether it is consistent with the energy the other reciprocates into the relationship, and matters of reality.

By matters of reality I mean that relationships can end. What if the relationship does end? I imagine most dommes would not be happy with a tattoo on their sub that describes ownership to another person. A tattoo that can withstand a parting (one that is symbolic but general versus a name) should it occur is less of a concern with respect to this point.

If you think the odds of a relationship ending are minimal, are you willing to participate in these odds by agreeing to share costs of tattoo removal should such an event occur? Otherwise, I think asking for such a tattoo lays all the ramifications on only the submissive if the relationship ends. 

Cheers,

Sea



undergroundsea..... I agree with you on this one.  No permanent marking such as a tattoo (especially saying something like "property of _____") should ever be used to "test" the dedication or comittment of a slave.  By the time something like a tattoo is talked about, the two parties better have already reached the point where they know that comittment is there.  When I think of the "velcro collar" relationships in this lifestyle, all I can visualize is a patchwork quilt on a slave's body.  Not a pretty sight.  <smile>




ElanSubdued -> RE: Getting tattooed (12/12/2007 4:30:12 AM)

Born2ServeU9,

I'll tackle your questions in a direct, simple way.

--- My last owner was adamant about
--- me getting a tattoo for her.  She wanted
--- this badly and I was reluctant to do it.

Perhaps tattoos are your ex partner's.  There is nothing wrong with this.  However, there is also nothing wrong if tattoos are not your kink.  If you were reluctant to get a tattoo, that is your choice.  Honestly, the best thing you can do is to listen to your inner voice.  If you don't want a tattoo, don't get one.

--- Anyhow we parted ways and don't see
--- each other anymore so I am glad I did
--- not get the tattoo.

Ah.  It's not so bad that you didn't get that tattoo eh? :-)

--- I was her live-in and for a while we were
--- very close but a tattoo was not for me.

This is your inner voice talking.  I'm glad you listened to yourself.

--- Is getting tattooed for your owner common?

No, getting tattooed for your owner is not common.  In my opinion, there is no such thing as "common".  Just do what you want to do and what is comfortable for you.  A partner may ask you if you're willing to try or do something and it is possible you may say "yes", however, if you don't want to, they cannot force you.

--- Is that something that a slave should
--- expect in a long term relationship?

Again, no.  About the only thing I'd say a slave should expect (ack... I hate the word "should", but at any rate I'll use it) is to communicate honestly and openly with their partner.  If you really and truly express a desire not to have a tattoo, a loving owner will respect this.  If the person you're with doesn't respect your boundaries, it's possible you're with the wrong partner.  Okay.  I'll go out on a limb and say yes, in the general instance where your partner continuously and knowingly ignores your boundaries, you are indeed with the wrong partner.

--- I don't know if maybe I was selfish
--- for not doing it.  I am worried that I
--- did the wrong thing by refusing.

You were not selfish and did nothing wrong.  Given that your previous partner seems to love tattoos and this seemingly isn't something you want, it is possible that the two of you had kinks not entirely compatible with each other.  This is not wrong, selfish, or any kind of crime I know of.  It comes down to negotiation.  You both have to decide what you're willing to live with.  Your partner might have decided she could live without a tattooed slave or you might have felt the bond with your partner strong enough that it warranted getting a tattoo in her honor (even though you didn't want a tattoo).  Neither decision is right or wrong.  It's just a question of what you both personally want and what compromises you're willing to make to be together.  All relationships are about compromise.  I've yet to see any relationship where each partner got everything they wanted.  What is important is that the key things you both want are in tandem and bring joy to your lives as the result of sharing each other's company.

As far as tattoos go, for myself personally, I'm frightened shitless of the things.  I loath needles.   Anything resembling or making me feel like a needle is near my body makes me feel very uncomfortable.  Oddly, I've done needle play because this was a kink a partner of mine had.  While the idea was spawned by my partner at the time, I made the decision to research needle play and I also decided to try it out at my own pace.  I would not have done this on my own, but I trusted the partner I was with enough to engage.  I could just as easily have said "no, that's not for me" and this would have been an equally valid response.  My partner didn't push the issue on me.  She talked to me and answered my questions.  She showed loving support.  And when I came to her with questions (which she could see came from research I pursued on my own), she answered me in a kind, supportive way.  With this kind of environment in place, I was willing to experiment with play that felt very edgy for me.  Had my partner asked me to get a tattoo, my answer would have been flat out "no".  I wouldn't have needed to research or ask questions in this instance because I don't want a tattoo.  It's as simple as that.  I like my body au naturel.  Perhaps, in future, a partner may change my mind here, but I can tell you that if this happens, it will be my choice.  Nobody can decide what I do with my body and nor can anybody tell you what to do with yours.

--- Please give me another person's
--- view and tell me what you think.

Quick summary:  I think you did nothing wrong.  If you don't want a tattoo, that is your prerogative.  Seemingly you're mixing up personal choices with BDSM.  I've heard a few (well, okay... more than a few) kinky people talk about the parallel ideas of "true dominants" and "true submissives".  Let's debunk these two myths right now.  There are no such things.  A true submissive is yourself, however you want to be.  A true dominant is your partner, however she wants to be.  If you both have compatible goals and enjoy each other, that's all that matters.

Side note:  the last few sentences of my post here are borrowed from another thread.  I wrote these lines originally so it seems okay to plagiarize myself. :-)

Elan.




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