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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
That said, there`s nothing wrong with being a service bottom or just wanting to play, just be honest though, admit what you want, or rather how you view things, straight out. You may not get things all your own way, but honesty goes a long way.

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ORIGINAL: TheInstrument


Speaking of giving pleasure, I give women like you an ultimatum - the "bossy high maintenance" types that don't mind their orgasm etiquette. I tell'em either I make you orgasm 20, 25 (or however many is just beyond reasonable for the particular girl) times in a row now, or not at all for the next three months. Choosing the former is kind of like being tickled to death...

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

This is a topic that really interests me. i often wonder if there are underlying reasons for being this way, or if it`s just because of how some submissives are wired. i know others will get what i mean, as i have read your previous posts.

Not so long back, there was a long thread on a submissives rights to have sex. my opinion is that as a submissive we dont have that right, it`s more of a bonus, and yes i know a relationship is two sided but i will come to that. One thing that really floats my boat, is when a Mistress, or even just a vanilla girlfriend, is enjoying Herself sexually. Like most guys i thought the ultimate aim was penetration and orgasm. i realised though that sometimes the focus is so much on this, that lifes other little joy was missed. Have you ever pleased a woman but not yourself, and seen the pure look of joy on Her face, knowing She does not have to worry about you and can concentrate, or just drift, on Her own dreamy state. Infact having sex and Her rolling off as soon as She is done and saying coyly, thanks that was wonderful is mind blowing, but the look of contentment on Her face for the rest of the day was worth it. The bonus of thinking like this is twofold, firstly, your partner really enjoys Herself, and secondly that fact alone brings its own little rewards

Thinking about the above gets me onto another conundrum thats popped up on the boards. Pain, and more of it than you have wished for. i often wonder just how far i would go in this area, the idea of pain both scares me and excites me at the same time. Would i stop at my comfort level or endure that bit more just to please Her. It`s an easy answer for me, at least its easy sat here typing, i would go that bit more for two reasons. Firstly i would not even be at that point with someone i didnt trust ( That doesnt have to mean i have known her ages ) Secondly, we are back to the notion of being pleasing, of doing something not because i want it, but because She wants it. It shows both trust and devotion, maybe even a little bit of recklesness ( sp ) Once again the act brings its own rewards and helps to build that little bit of magic in a relationship.

Much the same also applies in general service, doing the little things to save Her from doing it. Filling the car with petrol ( gas works the cooker lol )  Cutting the lawn, cleaning house. Any of this has one more benefit, it allows Her more time to spend with You.

That said, there`s nothing wrong with being a service bottom or just wanting to play, just be honest though, admit what you want, or rather how you view things, straight out. You may not get things all your own way, but honesty goes a long way.

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ORIGINAL: HotMistress99

Nothing is for free in this world, everything comes at a price. And someone needs to pay first! That’s you! It just makes things easier for you if you pay with a unconditional heart.

MK

Ummm...  Haven't you just described what some would call unconditional love?  If I loved a woman unconditionally, I'd hope she was able to reciprocate that same kind of love.  Although I doubt I'd be keeping track of such things, if it's unconditional love, does the sub really need to pay first?? 

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
This was a wonderful post, politesub.  I can't help but echo the comments from the others on how wonderfully written it was.

As I stated before, I very much agree.

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Like you, ps, there really are males out there who think this way.  It's a beautiful thing to be pleased and see the satisfaction of just that knowledge cross the giver's face.  There's a special intimacty of it.  Having someone please you, without asking for or expecting anything in return is a wonderful feeling. 

 
It is indeed very satisfying as a sub to please one's Mistress and share the afterglow on her face or receive the look of appreciation and approval for having done so.  Not to mention cuddling up next to her afterward or continuing to serve in other ways as appropriate.
 

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As for what was said about pain, I appreciate that as well.  When I find Myself in situations where I am pushing, and the receiver is motivated by some extent by the drive to take the pain because it is his offering in submission to Me, it is beautiful.  This doesn't happen often with My current sub, because he does happen to be a heavy masochist.  However, it is a rare occasion that he is being pushed, and doesn't readily think he can go that far.  It takes just the slightest encouragement.  The very simple words, "Do it for Me" will usually bring him to the place where he is willing and able to go further.  It never ceases to amaze Me what the touch of My hand on his cheek will do for him during a scene. 

I can relate to this part of your post a great deal.  Having a Mistress' encouragement while enduring something for her pleasure is something that's invaluable to a sub.  I've also learned in the how much I greatly enjoy and appreciate having my limits stretched.  I've experienced enduring things for the pleasure of a Mistress and took my own pleasure in doing so entirely for HER pleasure at the expense of the intense pain I was experiencing and not finding physical pleasure in the activity for me at all.  I'd readily experience those things time and time again; finding them pleasurable in a love/hate sort of way because of the pleasure they brought to the Mistress I served.