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MissMagnolia -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 12:19:37 AM)

Nobody listens to a word that I say
And at work I'm just a foreman's tool
Sitting in the corner with my coffee & tray
All the secretaries think I'm a fool

I don t wanna suffer these conditions no more
Haven't I the right to say
I don't wanna suffer these conditions no more
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway

Loves not a glimpse, it s a permanent rinse
And it keeps you on your toes all day
Every girl I met seemed to get apathetic
When I looked at her that special way

I can't get nobody else to take me for real
They like to keep me tucked away
Even if they listened to what I had to say
Nobody 'd take me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway

If war broke out I'd be the last one to know
If there was a fire they d just leave me to burn
I got just as much to say as any man
But I never seem to get my turn

I don't wanna suffer these conditions no more
Haven't I the right to say
I don't wanna suffer these conditions no more
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway

(Nobody takes me seriously)
Nobody.. no, no, no-nobody...

(Split Endz)




CliarSiofra -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 12:33:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

Nobody listens to a word that I say
And at work I'm just a foreman's tool
Sitting in the corner with my coffee & tray
All the secretaries think I'm a fool

I don t wanna suffer these conditions no more
Haven't I the right to say
I don't wanna suffer these conditions no more
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway

Loves not a glimpse, it s a permanent rinse
And it keeps you on your toes all day
Every girl I met seemed to get apathetic
When I looked at her that special way

I can't get nobody else to take me for real
They like to keep me tucked away
Even if they listened to what I had to say
Nobody 'd take me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway

If war broke out I'd be the last one to know
If there was a fire they d just leave me to burn
I got just as much to say as any man
But I never seem to get my turn

I don't wanna suffer these conditions no more
Haven't I the right to say
I don't wanna suffer these conditions no more
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway
Nobody takes me seriously anyway

(Nobody takes me seriously)
Nobody.. no, no, no-nobody...

(Split Endz)

*applauds* perfecto




BitaTruble -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 1:40:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kennyautopsy

It gets on My last nerve when people on this site (especially subs/slaves) kick Me and My fellow young Doms around simply because of my age.


Why 'especially subs/slaves' and how do you know it's because of your age and not your immaturity in expressing yourself?

I would never kick you around because of your age. Your attitude though.. completely different story. Your post comes off as immature and whiney .. and that doesn't matter if you're 18 or 80.

quote:

Is there some sort of random benchmark at which we are allowed to be considered competent of being an effective and suitable Dominants or is that eligibility determined by all of you older Dom(me)s and subs/slaves somehow?


Yes. The benchmark is maturity. At what chronological age you attain such is unimportant. Some people reach it at 18, some at 40 and some never reach it at all. You're not there yet, but you can be if you put some effort in to it and keep an open mind. You might want to start by losing the attitude and then go from there.

quote:

Now I'm aware that I will get many responses saying "The preference varies by person" and I acknowledge and thank you ahead of time (that's a nice way of saying don't waste your time posting that),but...

My question is this: If there are two Dom(me)s of comprable BDSM knowledge and experience,however one is 20 and the other 37, is age a determining factor for the effectiveness of that Dom(me)?


All things being equal, then the person I'm most attracted to physically, who has the most in common with me, who is the most compatible is going to gain my attention. The odds are, that person will be older, not younger because I happen to prefer someone who's lived in their skin for a while and is quite comfortable in it without falling back on the need to put someone else down because of their own age or orientation.

Perhaps you don't realize that you are doing to older 'subs/slaves' exactly what you claim is being done to you. This, to me, is pot, kettle, black, Kenny.

quote:

I ask because I am a dom. I am also 18, and age aside, I'm begining to wonder, do the general "rules" of respect and courtesy only apply to those of a certain age, or is it okay to mock those of us of a younger persuasion, or what?


No, it's not okay to mock someone because of their age. It's also not okay to mock someone because of their orientation. It's not okay to expect certain behaviors from someone because they are submissive on a message board. Reread your OP and you'll see several hints of what it's not 'okay' to do. Just because it's 'not' okay, doesn't mean you didn't do them, so why hold someone to standards that you, yourself, don't meet?

quote:

 I'd like some opinions, because frankly it's these people with little respect and courtesy that make me lose faith in this scene and lifestyle.


Well, hopefully you will learn to have a bit of courtsey and respect yourself then you won't cause me to lose faith for the future of the scene and lifestyle.

quote:

Thank you,
Master Kenny.Autopsy


You're welcome, Kenny.

Celeste




courtneycakes -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 3:31:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

Why 'especially subs/slaves' and how do you know it's because of your age and not your immaturity in expressing yourself?

I would never kick you around because of your age. Your attitude though.. completely different story. Your post comes off as immature and whiney .. and that doesn't matter if you're 18 or 80.


I agree. [sm=applause.gif]
I've seen 53 year olds on this site who I'd like to send back to the 3rd grade. Its not neccesarily age. Its attitude and maturity that counts.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 5:29:41 AM)

you are 18 and i'm 38 - i'm old enough to be your mother ...and yes i would exclude you immediately based solely on your age.  sorry but i have no desire to submitting someone who's still wet behind the ears and barely on his/her own.  if we were together, there are many places around Chicago you could never enter unless it's an "all ages" show.  also, i prefer older gentlemen because they more life experience and i could relate having the same common interests as they do than you and the younger dom population.

though age is simply a number, basically many younger doms had nothing to offer as far in what i was seeking in a relationship. most were looking for playmates - i was seeking long term commitment, i  come with attachments (my 2 UMs) - you're not ready to handle the responsibility and care (my opinion of course), and plus i would be looking at your stablility (mentally, financially, etc) which is quite important to me.  if you're in college or starting in college, it wouldn't work out.

not sorry, but that's the way it is




sakidorei -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 6:17:52 AM)

Kenny Sir ...
 
i am not sure if You equate rejection as disrespectful or if people that You are dealing with truly are outright rude ... however i know it's easy to get defensive and perceive disrespect where none is intended when You are being told someone is not interested. 
 
Do i respond rudely to young Doms who approach me?  Not at all ... i afford them the same respect that i give a Dom who is 60 years old.  i generally enjoy talking with younger Doms because i enjoy seeing where their mindset is at and sometimes actually giving them a perspective that they haven't considered yet.  Age does limit life experience ... sometimes the fact of the matter is ... You just haven't lived long enough to have experienced many things.  At 18 at best You have only been living on Your own a couple of years and Your formal education is likely to be just beginning if that. 
 
It doesn't matter to me how versed You are with a crop and bondage if You can't understand the workings of my mind.  I've never met an 18 year old yet who had much of a real clue ... much less many 40 year olds.  i have met a number of very young Doms (under 25) who have great instincts and will one day probably make phenominal Masters ... i just have never met anyone under 25 who has proven themselves to me as a capable Master. 
 
i want someone who can teach me about things i've yet to learn ... i want someone who can guide my own self discovery and i don't think it's possible for an 18 year old to adequately do so.  For me it's far more than how well He can rock a good scene ... it's about maturity and it's about life experiences.  That isn't meant to be a disrespect for those who are young Doms and finding their way ... i just know it's not for me.  Personally i like to see young Doms going through some period of mentoring with an older and more established Dom but few young Doms want to -submit- themselves to someone else's mentoring.  Most of them will be quick to tell you they've read it all and studied it all ... what they don't get is they have lived very little of it at their age.
 
~saki
Property of Master D.




Maya2001 -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 6:19:24 AM)

Like others said you have not experienced life yet,  with maturity often comes patience obviously something you have not learned if after only a couple months here you are complaining.

Guess what all of life will treat you the same,  you go to get employment  and become the junior employ,  the other senior employees will judge you  as being  least experience, time served and proving you deserve acknowledgement  is the only way you will prove otherwise, the same story applies if you enter the armed forces, political circuit etc, you don't start at the top because you have a title, your at the bottom till you work your way up and prove yourself (this is part of the life experience you have not learned yet)

Part of being a dom is advising subs how to better themselves, explain to me how a kid fresh out of high school is going to advice me on say dealing with or financing house problems, or issues dealing with children or investing money,managing/organizing my life  to prepare for a surgery that will leave me  for 2 or 3 weeks unable to handle everyday tasks afterward, your life experiences/skills  do not come anywhere close to matching the level of mine , so how can you be supportive or offer useful advice to me????   I have raised a child to adulthood and now have grandchildren one nearly half your age, without out you having adult life experiences that we can discuss and share together, how am I going to be to able  view you as an adult, I would simply feeling like am with a teenager and in a partnership would be more parent than sub to you, so I would not feel mentally dominanted  That is one of the reason a young sub is more acceptable because of how it relates to the  powerplay dynamics.   Also  would you be able to provide for  some one , who has several  years  gain in employment than  you do.    Many of the older subs do not want play partners they are looking for doms looking to make serious  long term commitments are you at 18 years old able to offer that to a 30 year old sub?

As for no receiving responses to your emails, when I was searching I turn emails filters on  to reduce the volume of emails I recieve that meant setting parameters, which included the age of dom I was most interested in hearng from,  so if you had sent me an email during that time, I would not have seen it.. Even as a mature sub when searching even with email filters on I was still recieving roughly 10 or more emails a day, I have an active life outside my time spent here, I don't have time to correspond with 70 people a week to see which will match me the best so I look at the profiles or emails  and decide which ones are the most promising as to being compatible with me and send "sorry... I am not interested ... thankyou" to the others, the volume of emails alone that a sub recieves encourages  them to be selective, and the majority of women do have preferred ages ranges just like you do, so dishing a sub about age when in your own profile you state preferred age is ridiculous, they have as much right to preference as you do [;)]   no offence meant just something I noted in your profile,   you can state age means nothing ..... but how likely is it that you would  be interested if a 75 year old sub contacted you

My suggestion to  you is ,  participate in the forums allow people to see your thoughts and incites,  expect criticism  at times your ego will get bruised by the harshness of the comments but try to understand why and use as a guide for self improvement .  You may feel you have learned a lot but what you have learned is only a sliver off the tip of an iceberg , even those who have been heavily involved for 30 plus years still admit they are in constant learning.  You may have knowledge of techniques but  when you apply to various subs the results can be far ranging, are you prepared for aftercare for a sub that goes into a state of panic because an activity resulted in serious flash backs???  learning is not just about technique but also learning about the working of the mind and dealing with the emotions you bring out in the sub and it is also your responsibility to deal with  in a manner that does not cause further harm.  Have you spent time studying first aid incase a scene goes bad???  are you prepared to take that sub to the ER even if the result means negative consequences to yourself being it financially or even legal???  I have likely touched on a couple of responsibilities of a dom you have probably not even considered before and part of what life experiences teaches one, so don't let your ego get too far ahead of yourself better to be at the bottom of the pool growing slowly and learning that trying to rush to be at the top and making a serious mistake




fsub4use -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 8:51:52 AM)

wholeheartedly agrees with BitaTruble...
 
and Kenny - would You really want to Dom a woman who is 70?  60?  50?  40?  I'm sure You have a limit - we all do.  This isn't theory, it's reality.  And often older people (including subs/slaves) are often more aware of our interests because we've eliminated others already. 

I used to think I was comfortable with age  -  as long as the person was over 21 until the same thing happened over and over.  All the young Doms got angry and nasty when I turned them down (for completely other reasons by the way) and I realized I didn't have to deal with that if I didn't want to.  The older men, on the other hand, graciously accepted my rejection and (usually) wished me well on my journey.  Frankly,I prefer to not submit to someone who (1) is young enough to be my son and/or (2) can't handle his emotions and express himself in an adult manner...
noting the tone of both Your posts, AND the fact that You didn't take responsibility for breaking the posting rules suggests to me that You fall into this category as well. 

Meanwhile, I applaud that You are reading and learning and practicing.  I hope You continue to do so and that You find a good mentor to help You as You enter this arena.  We all need good mentors.

peace




DesFIP -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 9:01:41 AM)

Are you self supporting? Because it's hard to bow to the 'wisdom' of someone whining about their mother not raising their allowance. How much experience and skill do you have with tools? Do you have a place to practice flogging a pillow or are you clueless about hitting the right spot because your parents will want to know what that weird noise is?

The truth is, you haven't earned the label of an adult yet if someone else is supporting you, if you have no privacy, if you have no life skills. Can you cook, clean, do laundry? Balance a checkbook? Do you even have a checkbook? A savings account, mutual funds, life insurance, car insurance? A lease or a mortgage? You get treated with the respect you earn. So when you're trying to dom women who do own their own cars, have leases in their names, are self supporting etc you won't be seen with any great respect.

There's a lot more to being a dominant than demanding blow jobs and picking up a crop.




gorgeous1 -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 9:30:07 AM)

Hi Kenny,
I am 35 and married to my Master, and I have never "scened" with anyone else, but I will try to put myself in your shoes for a moment.

I would say that some older submissive people perhaps fear that you have a lack of practical knowledge or experience, or also that being so young makes you more prone to making unwise decisions. I am not saying this to insult you. I am just saying that at age 35, I look back on some of the decisions I made as a teenager and were I put in that same situation again, I would make a different decision now based on the life experience I gained by simply doing my time, you know?

If you are reading and studying up on bdsm, and you are making safe and wise decisions, you WILL gain respect. As in any other position in life, your youth will automatically cause older people to second guess you. It can be frustrating (I know, I've been there) but eventually, you'll earn trust and respect. You're 18 years old, and pardon the cliche, but you have your entire life ahead of you. I guarantee you that in 5 years, you will be a totally different person. The next 5 years of your life are crucial to your development and transition into manhood and your future. Make good decisions. Plan for your career...live life and enjoy being YOUNG, because you are young. Don't rush your life.

18 is tough for guys. You are in that limbo age where women your age want to date older guys, and you can't go out with girls younger than you. This "lifestyle" tends to attract older people because many of them don't discover what it is they want sexually until they are older. Get yourself a mentor who is willing to teach you and you may get a chance to apply your knowledge on that mentor's submissive. Perhaps a submissive would be more willing to scene with you if your are under the supervision of another dom. If you show people you are willing to learn, and they see you know what you're doing, you'll gain their trust.

Consider yourself fortunate...you know what you want at such an early age! I knew what I wanted too, and so I waited to get married until I found the person who was compatible to all things including sexually. Just think- you'll find a great life partner the first time around!

I admire that you are so willing to learn, and I am sure that someday, you will make a name for yourself- you will have a hell of a lot of experience!




liminalRapture -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 9:39:50 AM)

Wow, we have men who want to know why women won't go out with men who are significantly younger than them.  And men who want to know why women won't go out with men significantly older than them.

Kenny, my bet is you could get some gals that many men here would LOVE to date--like is the 16-25 year old range.  You could even date a 15 year old and not have to go to jail (in most states).  Do you know how lucky you are to get to date teenagers?  I mean, wow!  Teenage girls are young--they are actually what society holds up as an ideal when it comes to beauty.  So enjoy it, because it won't happen again!!!

If twenty years, you'll be complaining that the teenagers think you're a dirty old man, and why are they excluding on age?

My general rule is I'll go 5 years under my age or 10 years older than my age.  I went out with someone who was 10 years younger than me for about a month, and he was just SO young.  He was agonizing over life decisions I'd made ages ago.  And he SO appreciated my advice and really respected me, but who the hell wants to date a "Dom" that looks up to her for advice?  And other things--he didn't remember much of Reagan's presidency.  Reagan was something he studied in the history books.  He said "wow, you were alive when Nixon was president?"  Not that I remember Nixon's presidency, but I do have 1 memory of Carter's.  And I remember when John Lennon got shot, and the first space shuttle blew up and Springsteen and U2 and BonJovi and Michael Jackson aren't "oldies" and all that stuff.

It isn't the D/s stuff.  It is the life stuff.  There is no way in hell you could offer advice on my life.  You couldn't read an article I'm submitting for publication and offer comments I would take seriously.  You probably aren't looking to settle down and consider whether or not you want a family.  And if by a miracle all of those things worked, in twenty years, when you are 38, would you really want a 56 year old wife?  When you're 18 it might be fun to date someone 20 years older, but not when you're 40. 




Sabella -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 9:48:01 AM)

Well my very first thought from reading the thread here and in the Master's forum is that whining "it's not FAIR" clearly marks your maturity to me. Children say that, not adults. I'm sure you would prefer women near your own age, keep in mind that women mature faster than guys do (or at least that's what everyone says, and from what I've seen in my life I agree). Does this mean all? no. Life experiences hasten or slow the process but with that in mind in general most young women around your age are looking for maturity they aren't finding in their peers of the opposite sex. Right or wrong, fair or no - that's the way it is. Bitching about it buys you nothing except a big X on your chest where previously there was nothing there.

So re-think your position and follow the excellent advice you've received. Live, learn, participate and be patient. The patience part will be a constant throughout your life, I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this. If you want instant gratification go get a cookie.




OrrisKitten -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 11:33:03 AM)

As someone in the younger spectrum of age here (I just turned 20 last month) I can see where you are coming from, kinda... And that kinda is only a bit.

Age is a factor, whether we want to deal with it or not. So is point in your life. It could be as simple as someone in high school referring to a day in terms of how many periods of classes they have and a person in college counting the classes. The difference between "period" and "class" really puts things into a bad light for some older people. (I am not making this claim myself, it is something I have been told in the past)

If you carry yourself in a way that does not make you seem young, you'll be treated in the same way as anyone else. I went through exceptions where my age didn't matter and put me into a different situation. I graduated high school a year early making me 16 in college. I didn't bring up my age but acted like my peers (Actually older than some, believe it or not)  and was treated as an equal. Now going into the "real world" of getting a career, I do not bring up my age because age is something that our society seems to think it is okay to descriminate against. I do not agree with this, but realize it is a fact I have to deal with, and so do you. Don't feed into feeling bad, prove people wrong. Bitching is not a step to proving people wrong.

Another big thing is experience. Reading is great and you can learn a lot, but learning is very very different than experiencing and your age may hinder you a lot. I know it still hinders me in New York since most places require you be 21 if they serve alcohol. However, I lived in Europe for some time and was able to experience the scene there and it really is quite different than books. Being young sucks, everyone knows that. Does it mean you should stop? I don't think so. At 18 I was also starting to explore and unfortunately had little access to people in my area who were into the scene since I was not old enough to go to the clubs and still had to answer to my mom about where I was going and with who.

I hate to be saying this, but give it time.




Shawn1066 -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 11:39:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kennyautopsy

It gets on My last nerve when people on this site (especially subs/slaves) kick Me and My fellow young Doms around simply because of my age.


Be polite when referring to your betters.




NorthernGent -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 11:56:48 AM)

Kenny,

Never mind all of that "can you do x,y,z?" carry on.......you're a young lad, you're not meant to be the ubermaster.

Be positive, channel your energy towards women who like 18 years olds, forget the rest.

You don't need to be on this board to find a submissive woman.

Find a young lass, take her out, watch her behaviour in a restaurant.....watch how she responds when asked to pour your wine, or when you order her food, or when you tell her what to wear, or choose her perfume etc.....try pushing her a bit, see what happens. You'll quickly gain an understanding of her character.

Most of all, have a bloody good time; based on your OP, it seems like you're fretting over acceptance: you're 18, you shouldn't have a care in the world, get out there and grab the bull by the horns - nothing is free in this life.




sazzysweet -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 12:04:24 PM)

I am just a little curious here. You asked if there is a double standard regarding age when involving a sub/slave and a Dom/me?

I don't think of it as a double standard, but when your younger (since I am in the younger spectrum) and a sub I would think it just blends with your life choices easier. As a sub I am looking to be taught how to please and interact with a Dom and since my experience is limited that would make it easier for a lot of Dom's to teach me their preferences. As a Dom, you are the leader in the sexual relationship if not in the outside the bedroom relationship and I am sure certain things are expected. It would not make me as excited if I had to instruct my Dom how to act like a Dom, that is part of this lifestyle.

 
On a side note, you talked about how you have done so much research and things on bdsm and have a slave, but the way you said "especially subs/slaves" makes me think you arent really ready to be responsible for anyone because if you did know so much about this lifestyle you would understand that being a Dom isn't a trademark for being uncaring and abusive towards a sub/slave. There are tons of Doms out there who have an awesome interaction with their sub/slaves while still maintaining a certain level of respect. And do you even know the difference between a sub and a slave?
 
CalifChick, I thought your post was great, I have never seen the lil whip guy in a post until now and I completely agree with your sentiment.
 
Happy Holidays Everyone!




OrrisKitten -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 12:51:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Find a young lass, take her out, watch her behaviour in a restaurant.....watch how she responds when asked to pour your wine, or when you order her food, or when you tell her what to wear, or choose her perfume etc.....


Wine.. hmm.... Next post should be one bitching about "I ordered wine and they carded me! the nerve! Don't they know I am a Dom?! They should respect me!"




littleone35 -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 1:27:07 PM)

I am another one who would exclude you based on age. I have no desire to submit to someone who is 20 years younger then myself.  We would be at different stages of our lives and outside of a scene i don't think we would have the same commom intrest's  And all that aside i have always loved older men.

Matt's littleone




ghitaPVH -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 1:27:57 PM)

I personally have no problem with young doms, I have no problems with 18 year olds who have decided they are Doms. I do have a problem with 18 year old Doms who insist they have tons of experiance and are "experts" in every category on the other side in their profile.




wisteriaV -> RE: As a young dom... (12/14/2007 3:13:32 PM)

First of  all, I did read your profile. Secondly, yes I am very jaded against anyone 25 and younger saying they are a Master.  Why? Because anyone 25 and younger would be young enough  to be my son/daughter. Reading and educating your mind will open the doors to actually learning to do things via experince. Find a mentor and learn...with time us old folks will take you seriously.




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