Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ?

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GoddessTeaze -> Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 1:21:20 AM)
To Me this is a grey zone. I treat My subs always with respect, and wouldn't want a doormat in the first place. I don't like to see them, and will tell them too! But how far will you go for your Dominant? And when are you turning into a doormat? There is a huge grey area, in which use and abuse lay close by. In the name of Bdsm there is allot done, which in My eyes, isn't correct. So how do Yyou see this? Thanx already for Yyour opinion. Warm Greetingz GoddezzT`

LittleWench -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 1:28:55 AM)
You have turned into a doormat when you start feeling like one? The question is so subjective to personal tastes that there is no definitive answer. There are plenty of s-types that take wayyyyy more "abuse" than I would and love it. Likewise I am sure there are some things that I love doing that others might consider a hard limit.

courtneycakes -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 3:36:20 AM)
I'm not sure what anyone elses def. of a doormat is, but when I think of a doormat, I think of a sub/slave with absolutley no personality and self-respect whatsoever. Someone who has no zest or anything. No opinions, no backbone, nothing. Just a doormat. You can kick them around, abuse them, step on them, completely dehumanize them, and they have not a care in the world. Not because its out of love, but because of low-self esteem. The feeling that if they are their own person, they might not get accepted by a Dom. Or maybe its something completely different. But thats my take on it.

RCdc -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 4:05:27 AM)
Many people say 'doormat' like it's a bad thing. Like any orientation, ya get your positive and your negative. I have known some 'doormats' that rocked and who were pretty stable mentally, they just knew what they wanted. And they were pretty sexy at that. the.dark.

adoracat -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 4:40:21 AM)
quite honestly, i'd say i'm more a doormat in my vanilla marriage than in my submission to Daddy. in my marriage, i am taken for granted, not listened to, expected to accept certain things (and yes, i choose to stay, so i'm just stating facts, not asking for advice or commiseration)...in my submission to Daddy, i am expected to tell him what i'm thinking, what my reactions to certain things are, and to speak up if something isnt right. i've more freedom in my submission than i do in other areas of my life. as i said, those are my choices and i accept the consequences. kitten, thoughtfully

kyraofMists -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 5:07:05 AM)
I will go as far as he tells me to. His morality prevents him from intentionally harming me or Alandra, so we do what we are told. Webster defines doormat as "one that submits without protest to abuse or indignities". To me, something is abusive if it is harmful. According to this definition, I am not a doormat and will not be one, since he does not abuse me. From an outside perspective, it may appear that I am a doormat already. I submit to his will without protest and I am very happy and content with my life. Knight's Kyra

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 5:14:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessTeaze But how far will you go for your Dominant? And when are you turning into a doormat? if (and that's strong hypothetical IF) they wanted a doormat, they would have sought for one and not collared me. they are not in the habit of changing me into a "doormat" when needed. they like me to stay the way i am now - sassy, opinionated, independent, strong, etc etc doormats are only good for wiping the snow, grime and salt off my Nikes

Lordandmaster -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 5:17:15 AM)
This one's really very simple. If you're my bitch, you're a devoted slave who gives her heart and soul to her master. If you're someone else's bitch, you're a doormat.

chiaThePet -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:21:57 AM)
[sm=hello.gif] I prefer to think of myself as a welcome mat. [sm=hello.gif] Submitting to galoshes however, is a hard limit. chia* (the pet)

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:26:37 AM)
I know you've to be very strong, as a submissive, to not let this happen to you, and ofcourse its personal, what one considers a doormat, and what others just considers being a happy sub [:D] I understand,... it's just... so grey. B safe GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:29:41 AM)
Yes courtneycakes, I agree, that's how I picture them too, and I'm so not atracted to them, and will tell them that. each to their own I guess, or what it is that they want to be treated like that. yes I agree with the lowselfasteem too.. Wwe can't change the whole world now can Wwe? [:D] thank you for your imput. GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:31:29 AM)
hello the dark, I never met a happy doormat... so I can't relate. thanx for your imput. GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:48:37 AM)
I really admire you for being so honest adoracat. And the fact you so well know how it is in your relationships, and you're able to handle that. I truly have respect for that. It's a choise, after all. I wish you enough! GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:53:05 AM)
sounds that you've a healthy relationship goin on kyraofMists !! good on you hon. B safe GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:54:36 AM)
quote: doormats are only good for wiping the snow, grime and salt off my Nikes Too funny ! thank you for your comment, sambamanslilgirl. GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:57:20 AM)
Now that doesn't sound respectfull .... GoddezzT`

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 7:58:56 AM)
as long as your happy chiaThepet, then Im too. goodluck [:D] GoddezzT`

liminalRapture -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 8:21:28 AM)
For me, I have some very strong opinions. When I had a more political profile (where I said "No Republicans") I'd get these neo-cons who clearly thought I was stupid and ill-informed and they would set me right. One of them I actually met, and he was the most vile human being I've ever met (published my personal info on Craig's List with my phone number saying I was into violent rape scenes... why any man would do that is beyond me--all that does is make less women likely to swim in the kinky waters, but I digress), anyway, he spent the first 20 minutes of our date explaining why global warming wasn't happening. He expected his clarification to be taken and then told me I was really submissive if I didn't agree with him!!! There is a more subtle level as well, which is that I have needs. I know that I won't decide when or how they are met, but anyone I'll actually be with needs to make sure they are met. One of my 'hard' limits is that whoever I'm with needs to keep an overall eye on my 'bounciness' (which I define as confidence, optimism and joy) when he is pushing me really hard, and if I have less bounciness over time, then we can't go in that area. wiitwd can't numb me out or bring me less joy in life.

sexyred1 -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 8:34:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessTeaze To Me this is a grey zone. I treat My subs always with respect, and wouldn't want a doormat in the first place. I don't like to see them, and will tell them too! But how far will you go for your Dominant? And when are you turning into a doormat? There is a huge grey area, in which use and abuse lay close by. In the name of Bdsm there is allot done, which in My eyes, isn't correct. So how do Yyou see this? Thanx already for Yyour opinion. Warm Greetingz GoddezzT` I think doormat is too subjective of a word. Also, I cannot really concentrate on your question because centering the question and the pretty blue script looks like you are writing poems.

GoddessTeaze -> RE: Till when are you a submissive, and when do you turn into a doormat ? (12/14/2007 11:44:30 AM)
quote: I think doormat is too subjective of a word. Also, I cannot really concentrate on your question because centering the question and the pretty blue script looks like you are writing poems. quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessTeaze I do write poetry :D Nice of you to notice. GoddezzT`

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